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YKCaiTLH1314
Rock Star
Silver Level
I've watch a few of those YouTube videos pertaining to this issue and if it's true then i find Mike P to be an imbecile to handle the 'Glitch' this way. It was never carefully planned out and there are lots of flaw with way he execute this stunt.
If it's an Inside job, there's no way it will be flawless because whenever a Crime involve more than yourself, it's always full of loopholes and most importantly human being are selfish when money is involved. Everyone wants a bigger cut. Also, the commentators are like 此地无银三百两 ( Oh, there's no three hundred silver buried here!)The more you try to convince the audience the more you seems fake.
If it's a one-man-operation, Mike's Stupidity has to be the extreme end of it.
Why eat the chicken while you can have an egg everyday?
Why do you need to win tens of thousands in a session to create attention? Isn't making $500 every session in a 2/5 game and doing it under the radar safer and you can do it for like as long as you are careful. All you need is do the 'Trick' once or twice in a session, won a couple of hundreds and then call it a day. Instead of mocking other player after a winning hand you should stay low profile. 骄兵必败(Arrogant soldier will loose the battle)
So, Mike is neither good at poker nor clever with this Glitch. He will end up in the streets.
If it's an Inside job, there's no way it will be flawless because whenever a Crime involve more than yourself, it's always full of loopholes and most importantly human being are selfish when money is involved. Everyone wants a bigger cut. Also, the commentators are like 此地无银三百两 ( Oh, there's no three hundred silver buried here!)The more you try to convince the audience the more you seems fake.
If it's a one-man-operation, Mike's Stupidity has to be the extreme end of it.
Why eat the chicken while you can have an egg everyday?
Why do you need to win tens of thousands in a session to create attention? Isn't making $500 every session in a 2/5 game and doing it under the radar safer and you can do it for like as long as you are careful. All you need is do the 'Trick' once or twice in a session, won a couple of hundreds and then call it a day. Instead of mocking other player after a winning hand you should stay low profile. 骄兵必败(Arrogant soldier will loose the battle)
So, Mike is neither good at poker nor clever with this Glitch. He will end up in the streets.
Katie Dozier
Poker Expert
Silver Level
This is great advice, it’s important to be vigilant or at least always maintain a certain level of suspicion when playing.
If you notice something odd, finding a way to speak up about it is important—even if that’s as simple as say, making a joke about wishing you could speak a language everyone else at your table is conversing in (when there’s an English only rule), or asking for a setup change if you happen to notice marked cards. Hopefully these things don’t happen to you but if they do, then speak up—it isn’t just yourself that you’re protecting! [emoji4]
Pokersolomdp
Enthusiast
Silver Level
Nou
I think it's clear, I don't think you can cheat in online poker and I think that pokerstars for example have no need to accept cheats in their excellent application. I don't believe that live at cheating tables either.
I think it's clear, I don't think you can cheat in online poker and I think that pokerstars for example have no need to accept cheats in their excellent application. I don't believe that live at cheating tables either.
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dlam
Visionary
Silver Level
There is so many ways to cheat in live poker. In home games, marked deck. , deck switch , fakes shuffle. I think because of technology, it captive the news cause it’s a new way of cheating That why I don’t like playing online with high stakes. I m also weary of live play in casino when buddies pass hand signals to each other or soft play. It means may be colluding
McFlySoHigh
Rising Star
Bronze Level
I've witnessed obvious collusion playing live at the casino I play at regularly. I've been at a table where two players were removed from the table by the floor manager- literally asked to pick up their chips and come with him-- because they caught them colluding using cel phones at the table.
I think you would have to be fairly naive given todays countless means to communicate with other people, to connect people, to form alliances, groups, whatever- that collusion isn't a part of online play-- in nearly every game and every tournament one could join.
It is just too easy-- it's as simple as that.
I've heard the suggestion "don't play SNGs, or cash games, only MTTs".
But the truth is that while YOU may not have the network of friends or collegues in the poker world who would be able to "work" a MTT as a group- a lot of people do.
Given the amount of money which could be made, I would not be surprised if there are fairly large player groups who play in highly coordinated shifts, communicate over IRC or VOIP, and are able to avoid detection.
Given the relatively small player field of most MTTs online, which is typically under 200 players for most games- a group of 10-20 players (which I do not believe is unrealistic) who play the tournaments together and use both collusion and chip dumping-- even if only say 6-10 are playing at a given time... would end up with a signifigantly higher EV and a major edge over the "single player".
Collusion happens in live games. It happens in major cash ring games (just look at the current Mike Postle situation)-- there is simply no way it is NOT happening on every major poker network.
I highly doubt that the reputable poker sites cheat themselves, but honestly who knows. Perhaps not the sites, but the sites admins/coders could easilly "back door" or provide superuser access to either themselves or people they know to consistently win.
I'm a winning live player- but I've found it basically impossible to really gain an edge online. Either you're up against maniacs shoving 73o against my pocket aces and catching two pairs, or getting killed on the river- it happens far more often then at a real table.
So online you're really up against two beasts: One is the Dishonest Players- who do exist. Secondly; you're up against a very erratic player pool- which is a difficult field to play period.
I play online for the practice. The stakes are so low in the small MTTs that losing a few hundred over a few months is less than one buy in at a $2/$5 live table...
That's my two cents.
I think you would have to be fairly naive given todays countless means to communicate with other people, to connect people, to form alliances, groups, whatever- that collusion isn't a part of online play-- in nearly every game and every tournament one could join.
It is just too easy-- it's as simple as that.
I've heard the suggestion "don't play SNGs, or cash games, only MTTs".
But the truth is that while YOU may not have the network of friends or collegues in the poker world who would be able to "work" a MTT as a group- a lot of people do.
Given the amount of money which could be made, I would not be surprised if there are fairly large player groups who play in highly coordinated shifts, communicate over IRC or VOIP, and are able to avoid detection.
Given the relatively small player field of most MTTs online, which is typically under 200 players for most games- a group of 10-20 players (which I do not believe is unrealistic) who play the tournaments together and use both collusion and chip dumping-- even if only say 6-10 are playing at a given time... would end up with a signifigantly higher EV and a major edge over the "single player".
Collusion happens in live games. It happens in major cash ring games (just look at the current Mike Postle situation)-- there is simply no way it is NOT happening on every major poker network.
I highly doubt that the reputable poker sites cheat themselves, but honestly who knows. Perhaps not the sites, but the sites admins/coders could easilly "back door" or provide superuser access to either themselves or people they know to consistently win.
I'm a winning live player- but I've found it basically impossible to really gain an edge online. Either you're up against maniacs shoving 73o against my pocket aces and catching two pairs, or getting killed on the river- it happens far more often then at a real table.
So online you're really up against two beasts: One is the Dishonest Players- who do exist. Secondly; you're up against a very erratic player pool- which is a difficult field to play period.
I play online for the practice. The stakes are so low in the small MTTs that losing a few hundred over a few months is less than one buy in at a $2/$5 live table...
That's my two cents.
KristaK
Visionary
Silver Level
hi hi
if this is proven as true, if,
then it a most terrible thing, cheat players from their monies
this hurt us all!!!! i say to a friend i like play poker... already they think i a shady girl for like poker
now with this scandal people think i play amongst criminals?
this upset me... it awful
if this is proven as true, if,
then it a most terrible thing, cheat players from their monies
this hurt us all!!!! i say to a friend i like play poker... already they think i a shady girl for like poker
now with this scandal people think i play amongst criminals?
this upset me... it awful
akgross
Legend
Platinum Level
Fraud is possible in live tournaments and cash games. Several players can be in collusion and play on one hand. Players can be members of a syndicate, but this is hard to prove. Much depends on the status of the gaming club. As they say, to win money is one thing, the main thing is to leave with a win.))
This Fish Chums
Visionary
Silver Level
I have one story where I believe I witnessed it firsthand. 3 guys walked in to a local poker room and started drinking, one of them extremely heavily. Well, about 4 or 5 drinks in he started being real loose with his playing cards. Like picking them up to look at them instead of just lifting the corners. After a while I noticed he had loosened up to the point of being careless with his cards, meaning other people could probably see his cards. I didn't say anything about it because I just didn't care at the time, but later that night I thought about it some more and realized that even though it seemed like he was just playing drunkenly sloppy at the time, that the only person who could have seen his cards were his two friends.
antonis32123
Legend
Loyaler
I tended to believe that online poker might be more vurnerable to cheating , collusion , scammer sandals than live games , but not anymore .
Nowadays I believe that these incidents can happen everywhere , live or online , so as a precaution you just have to be carefull where you play , with what players , and if you notice sth shady don't play again there , inform other players/the poker community and officially complain .
Nowadays I believe that these incidents can happen everywhere , live or online , so as a precaution you just have to be carefull where you play , with what players , and if you notice sth shady don't play again there , inform other players/the poker community and officially complain .
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Heresthecooler
Rock Star
Silver Level
I have only played about 3 live games, throughout my life. I also played Hold 'em every single time. I can recall a time when I saw two players at a table with Vietnam War Vet hats. I mean, what are the odds? Keep in mind, they both had the exact same hat. I just didn't like it. I can't really recall a hand when I caught someone cheating. This is probably because I drink quite a bit at the tables. It's tough to spot cheaters sometimes. I think every player has seen a careless call that could be considered collusion. I've never seen an obvious display of it. Chip dumping is hard to spot, especially when someone is tilting. That can be almost impossible to spot, especially if it only happens once.
Eric Salvador
Visionary
Silver Level
I’ve taken considerably more bad beats online then I’ve delivered. I also have been called with ridiculous holdings that have crippled me or knocked me out of a tournament. Ones that there’s no mathematical reasoning behind it. Now that could just be bad luck and me running into players who just don’t care. It’s hard to comprehend that it could just be that but I still consider it a possibility. I’ve been taking those bad bears for a year. I’ve fine tuned my game, logged my hands and used flopzilla and I haven’t made progress. It could just be variance but it’s really making me question what’s going on. If I had the ability to play on more regulated sites this could be less of a concern.