Changing Playing Style

TravelerLloyd

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The odds, my friend them implied odds or EV that my opponent sees has destroyed my bankroll. I think when I raise and bet the start licking their chops and even going all in, they call right up to the river on draws. I even raised in a cash game 12.5 BB and still had two callers, who does that and was betting pot with two pair and they hit the flush or on the turn one time hit the set.

Unless I go all in preflop it gets tough, no respect in this game. Instead of cash games I am down to penny and dime tournaments and freerolls. Thats after I had my credits!

It took all of 2-3 moths no more than 4 to get me in this position.

My programs says I lose -$49.11 BB/100 I have no idea what that means except LOSER!
good luck with your new style of play ... but take into account the odds you have in your hand ... think!
 
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Okay if I make another deposit, I will take yo9ur advice or in this case as you mentioned I can just play the freerolls as I do now.

Thank you for the input!
if u think you're getting bluffed call and find out. practice in freerolls if you're wrong, no investment. 9 x out of 10 you're not being bluffed esp in micro stakes , if this is happening live at your casino, even if you are being bluffed why take the chance if you only have one pair or 2 pair that isn't that strong live to fight another hand. just my 2 cents
 
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The first one disappeared and it wasn't magic except how they would always catch that set, straight or flush on the river.

Now when it comes to full houses I usually win those, and 4 of a kinds I don't sweat when I am beaten by those hands. I know that pure luck!
Changing your poker style can be beneficial for you if players have 'pegged' your methods. On the other hand if all your going to do is play reckless and call everything then you may be about to start seeing your bankroll magically disappear.
 
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I think you're confused with your style of play I think you should study your hands a little more
 
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You are right, I took a test and it said I was a TAG, but seems like a NIT does better than a TAG as everyone seems to want to try and beat a NIT!
I think you're confused with your style of play I think you should study your hands a little more
 
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I found this profile of a poker player, perhaps this would be a safe way to play poker?

Tight Scared:


Description: Understands what are good pre-flop hands, so will not see the flop often and fold a lot. Once on the flop, this person usually only plays the strongest hands to the river and will never call except for a open ended straight or flush draw. Usually a consistent showdown winner, this person won't try to make any moves, call down a bluffer or try to play any kind of poker other than simply playing their cards. You can recognize this player because they don't see many flops and many of the flops they do see they fold. Most wannabe rounders and rocks fall into this category. Pre-flops from these players usually are AA, KK, QQ, JJ, AK, AQ.

Strength: These players play well in a loose game where players are not paying attention to each other. By playing usually only the winning hands, this kind of player can simply sit back and wait for good cards to hit and bet it down to the river and hope to win. Mathematically, these players have an edge over players who don't understand all the odds in poker.

Weakness: Their ability to only play their own cards is a glaring handicap for anyone observant enough to notice. Against a maniac or a bluffer, these players suffer horribly as they do not have the resolve to see an Ace high or low pair to the river. Their caution also holds them back from tricky plays like check raising or general slow playing unless they truly hold a monster. A strong player will usually be able to read this player like a book and play accordingly. However, a game can only stand 4-5 of these tight players in a game before completely drying up. Having 1-3 of these in a game is probably ideal.

Fold: Almost anytime this player bets, it's a good time to fold unless you hold the top pair with a strong kicker. These kind of players are less interested in betting for value than to simply get people out of the pot, because they are generally holding the winning hands if they are betting. If this person called on the flop/turn and then bet out on the turn/river, that is almost a surefire sign this player developed a monster hand. Whereas a strong player would simply bet the turn if they already knew they would call (a somewhat tricky play), these players would be too scared of a re-raise to perform tricks like that. They bet because they were not scared of a raise and thus should signal to you great hand strength.

Call: Against these players, raise or fold should be your main game plan. You only want to call when you are holding top pair with a questionable kicker (9+). In early position, you will want to only call a nut straight/flush draw (although, that said, re-raising an early position draw and betting out the subsequent rounds may cause this player to fold on the river. Your mileage may vary.)

Bet: Against tight players, betting is very key, because tight players always fold when they don't hold strong hands. Holding top pair, you will almost always want to bet with these kind of players in the pot unless you hold a monster. Letting these tight players draw is extremely dangerous because they are liable to hold any two face cards, suited cards or other threats. A bet is also an information gatherer, because a call from this player indicates strength, while a raise is almost always a major strength (and against more sophisticated players, a nut draw if they're in late position).

Raise: My option of choice when playing against these tight players is often to raise to see where I stand with my over pair and kicker. If the tight player holds a weak kicker, they will almost always fold. With an ok kicker (9, T, J) usually these players will call and often fold those on the river, the rest of the time calling with a Queen or King kicker. When I do get raised, I know for certain it is at least a King kicker with a good chance of an Ace kicker - which in case I know to fold. The thing is- even when I hold a moderate kicker like a Jack, I'll raise against these players on the flop because I want to: 1) get other players out, 2) induce a fold when they are actually holding a best, 3) gather critical information about hand strength and lastly 4) be the one in charge and bet out when I would have called my hand to the river anyways- a proactive caller if you will.
 
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a common mistake amongst newer players is to think "He doesn't have it" .. but if you're playing micro stakes, they typically have it. But of course... 'it depends'
 
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Good luck on the tables & am looking forward to offering help/ advice on some hand history posts if I'm able to.
When posting a hand history, keep in mind there are ways in which you can make it more beneficial (provide lots of info., post the action only up to the spot in question (don't post results until after you get some comments)
 
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Good luck to you on your new style hope it works out for in the long run.
 
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I Think I have Been A Mice - Weak Tight

MEET THE MICE
Sure, they've probably read a book or two on poker technique, and have a pretty steady understanding of the fundamental strategies, but they don't usually feel comfortable playing for real money.


This said, they'll do decently in tournaments, often cashing but never winning. When it comes to cash games, their true nature really shows. In fact, they're the closest thing to a push over you'll find in this game.


The VPIP and PFR will vary from mouse to mouse, but generally, they should have at least decent hand selection so their VPIP will be around 20%, in both full-ring and short-handed games. If their VPIP is much bigger than this, they'd be more of a Fish.

Their PFR, as mentioned, will also vary to as low as 2% for ultra weak-tights who only raise premium, to 4%-6% for those who are a little more comfortable playing the game and will therefore raise a slightly wider range.


What will always be consistent among MICE is their low aggression of under 2%. This means you can expect to see a lot of checking and calling, rather than betting and raising. These guys are called ‘scared money’ for a reason, and scared & aggressive just don't mix.
MICE STRENGTHS

Almost every type of poker player has a strength or two - even the ever-slippery and floundering Fish. Mice are no exception.
The strengths of weak-tights lies in their pre-flop hand selection. They're very good at two-card poker. Mice do a great job of only playing solid hands before the flop to keep the post-flop decisions a lot easier.
While their ranges will be pretty easy to read, pre-flop is not the place to exploit these players. Their issues come out as soon as the flop does, and that's when we should make our move.
MICE WEAKNESSES

Mice have far more weaknesses than strengths. Let's look into them:
Weak-tights are always looking for reasons to fold. They're afraid to play for big money, so as the bets get bigger on later streets, the weak-tights get more and more uncomfortable. This is why we want to put a ton of pressure on these guys by betting when the opportunity is presented to us.
The next issue is that they miss out on a ton of value. They're extremely passive, even with strong hands - and they only raise the nuts. These means they lose money value betting on their speculative calls pre-flop and slowly bleed off long-term equity.


Because they're so passive, weak-tights also allow us to draw out way to cheaply at long-shots like backdoor and gut-shot draws. And because weak-tights only raise the nuts, we won't have much trouble figuring out where we stand in the hand against them.


Their fit/fold style is wanting. Weak-tights don’t do a good job of balancing out their hands, so not they're bluffing in some spots where they'd usually have a hand or mixing up their play. They're not good at the art of deflection, and they're going to fold a high percent of the time if they miss a board. This means continuation bets are a huge money maker against this type of player, since they're going to miss the flop 2/3 of the time.
When they do hit, they call more often than raise, allowing us to control the pot size and set our drawing odds. This fit or fold style is fine for low-stakes, where they're just beginners, but with semi-pros in the fray, it's nothing short of a great recipe for a bust-up.


They also call too much pre-flop. Most Mice don't even realize that this is a weakness. Just because they have a solid pre-flop game in terms of which hands they play, they fail to raise in appropriate spots.
They call at lot more than they should. Sure, they'll always have good hands going into the flop, but that failure to raise a good percentage of their hands means they'll allow their opponents to see cheap flops with great implied odds with what they'd consider garbage hands. Then the Mice wonder why they can never win a big pot with top pair or top kicker and keep running into junky two-pairs. The reason is simple: they let us get there.


Mice are a great opponent type to speculate against, especially when they are limping a strong range. The pay off potential is there, because remember: they're not very good at playing post-flop and of course, the price is right.


Weak-tight are prone to tilt. I've seen it time after time: a weak-tight sits in a session with this great pre-flop game playing ready to go. A couple regulars make plays on him or show him a bluff, and he gets totally thrown off his rocker. Suddenly this guy just picks this terrible place to triple barrel bluff and he's out.
Weak tights are generally really easy to throw of their game, and while it differs from player to player, they all have a breaking point. For some, they get 3-bet too many times, for others, their stack just got too short (like 70 BB from the initial 100) and they're forced to make a move.
The list goes on.

What's important to remember is that you want to keep your eye on your weak-tight opponents. If you can notice when they shift their play before anyone else, you can land a great score. But don't force it. You don't want to try to make plays on them when they're still playing that initial, solid game. Wait for them to crack.
 
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Players I am Against

This sounds like the very players I have been against, and when they get something then they start betting into me everytime.

The Loose Passive

Loose-passive players like to limp into lots of pots. They will call raises “just to see a flop” and will remain in the hand whenever they hit any of it, however marginal. They seldom take chances or become aggressive in their plays and they tend to be “calling stations” when they do. Their whole approach to playing poker is to watch and let others do the risking.
Many beginners or even players who’ve played for a long time can fall into the trap of just calling, calling and calling. This is especially true in low buy-in games. They are very obvious to spot and are easy targets. Unlike the tight-passive players, you’re not going to be able to bluff them – you never want to bluff a calling station! But when you do pick up a hand that is fairly strong, you should bet for value and milk as much out of them as you possibly can
 
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Just today I had pocket Queens, went allin & lost. If I had just watched
the flop (A, J, J) I would have folded.
 
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i wouldnt beat myself up to bad over that,, because I caught a guy bluffing on a AJJ flop and I had QQ the other day. He went all in like I was going to fold because of his all in bet and I just called and he had nothing, called my 3 BB raise and then tried to bluff me. For some reason I think I look like an easy mark to most players. They must be using them HUD's and seeing I may fold to much after the flop I guess.
Just today I had pocket Queens, went allin & lost. If I had just watched
the flop (A, J, J) I would have folded.
 
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I think you need to focus on pot control. Revamping your entire game will have an impact on your play. When going to full nit and call station you’re creating a huge disadvantage to yourself. If you’re purely a rec this will keep swings small but you’re not going to be a profitable player against aware opponents
 
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You are well done. I fully support you. Change the style of the game. Try, experiment, analyze, you will succeed !!! good luck !!!!
 
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Good luck i would say the LAG style is the hardest to play agaisn't but don't become a Whale/calling station those are losing players. :D
 
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i think as long as you pay attention to the spots that are obviously bad to be calling and do this possibly even a little to much (at the very least you will learn alot about showdown and then also if you run good even for a little bit you should win a tourny or two... good luck and plz plz call me down....
 
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YES, that's my answer. To have a good game strategy, you need to change the style of play. I'm going to do this. I hope to be more careful in the future.
 
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I don't change my playing style at all. How I learned to play like this I always play. I always try to improve my style of play, even how to change it.
 
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Usually, "changing" your playing style is very simple: play tighter. This solves most problems.
 
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Good luck with your new style of play :)
 
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Good luck.... ����
 
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During the game each player has produced its own unique style of play! So I advise you not to radically change it (personally, I'm trying to implement some of the techniques gradually, and if they make a profit leave them) - it can afford only very strong players! If your strategy is to be profitable this is not necessary because of a failed band to rush to extremes!
 
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In any case, I would like to wish you good luck in the new style!)
 
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