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OK, everyone claims poker sites are fair. I mean why would you put money into something you thought was unfair? Maybe cause you trust the word of the site director? Has anyone ever noticed this. You come into a table, there is maybe 1 or 2 large stacks. One is an aggersive player very, calls everything raises everything, pushes as hard as they can but always seems to catch. I try to believe it's a flip of the coin but sometimes I just can't accept that as a reason as to why everytime I call this person they hit it. Luck or not, I've noitced it more at freerolls or play money. Person calls big stack raises person next re-raises then big stack just goes all in and the lotto players join him and he wins. I sat at a table for 30 mins and every other hand the big stack got the pot putting him at like 60k I believe. Or what about all the quads and the fullhouses, I mean maybe it's just me but I find it so odd there can be so many, how can one player catch 4 boats in a 30 min period? Two of them were back to back. I guess it just seems odd being I play a lot of games offline and take notes during my games and then keep track online and compare and it just seems unfair at times. Maybe it's just me. :cool:
 
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I've been on both sides of this situation. Poker's a game with MANY ups and downs, good streaks and bad ones. I guess that's what makes it so much fun. :)
 
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Yeah online u seem to get a lot of bad beats but i cant say to much as i have never played it at a casino just on the net.
 
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Yesterday I went in with AKo in a game irl. Flop came AA8. I started betting and 'til the river it was a guy and me. There was no flush, no straight, and I had trips with K high. Thought I had it. He shows me... pocket 8's.

Very next hand I was left shortstacked. Got Q9s, went in. Flop came QQ3. I went all-in. Same guy called. Turn came J, river came another 3. He had pocket 3's.

Right after he got me out he got 3 guys out in a 4-way all-in Q-high flush vs K-high flush vs A-high flush vs his full house.

Hell, and I was the damn croupier.
 
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aww man i would be pissed, when i playa t the casino i dont get bad beats because they actually shuffle cards good online its all numbers n shit some of them dont have the proper math n sometimes it favor a player
 
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at some sites ive noticed that it mostly depends on what seat ur sitting in they same to get all the good cards early and then again late on in games maybe it just me im not sure
 
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I can feel the pain. As a math teacher, still have to believe in the odds and luck, it just happens, a few weeks back on noble, I had in 4 straight hands, AA, KK, AA and AKo, it was unreal (naturally, I won LOTS!), of course it was only a tournament so didn't take some real cash on them.
 
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it always happens in freerolls cos it iant hteir money they are playing with. but they tend to stop playing stupid when the money places come closer and then they play for real. At this point they get tight too, good tiem to blind steal
 
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Yah, I have seem some pretty shady call by the large stacks and they always seem to win in online games. Like they'll be chasing straights, or flushes. I had one experience where i had pocket kings in a heads up the very first hand. The guy I was playing went all in, in an attempt to steal my blind. So I called. HE had 8, 9 suited in spades. On the flop came a King, and two other cards, one which was a spade. The turn and the river were spades and he ended up beating my three kings with a flush. It was complete bullocks..

-Deuce
 
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only 13 different cards,4 different suits.... anything can happen.
 
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LOL, Me too :)

darkhose30 said:
at some sites ive noticed that it mostly depends on what seat ur sitting in they same to get all the good cards early and then again late on in games maybe it just me im not sure
It could be something and nothing but at some poker rooms I do seem to do better at certain seats, i've been sat on the right hand side of the table and got nothing but winning hands, been moved over to the left on another table and got nothing, over the course of a game being moved around 15 times this happened every time I was moved, if I got the right I did good, if I got the left I just folded, it's just how it happens sometimes.

In regards to the topic in question I have also been on both sides of this, one particular time was just last week, I was playing a "sit-n-go" tourney, only for $2.00 and I hit the winning hand 14 times in a row, one person even accused me of working for the site, it was very unreal. The prime example in this particular game was it came to my Big Blind and I was dealt 7 and 2 offsuit, would have folded this in a second, but I checked and two more 7's and a 2 flopped, needless to say I won this tourney and Pissed all the rest off, it's good when it happens to you, it's just not as often as you see it happen to someone else.
Bad Beats : tell me about em, worse I ever had was last year, I had 4 Q's and the river gave the other guy 4 A's, that's poker :)
Good luck all :)

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The only real edge I've discovered (because of the overall randomness of poker), is to be extremely selective about seating..i.e., never sitting in front of the largest stack, wait for seats to open that u want, etc. In a tourney, you get what what you get so you have to adjust your approach dramatically if you get an unfavorable seat. Also, I search for players that are loose by name. I record them in the search for feature after I've watched them squander and call all the way down for who knows what reason, then search for them when i play live $ to exploit that advantage. If you collect like 20 of them, you always have a target instead of wandering aimlessly.
 
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Cards have a lot to do with luck...Betting has absolutely nothing to do with luck.
 
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I think thats just you because I see the same things no matter where there at
 
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Ya Ive come to notice that many freerolls always high stack you it seems. I think they give the people with the higher stacks the better cards to make the tournament go faster.
 
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Anyone who thinks the online shuffles are rigged is half right. They are actually random, however the site software evaluates every shuffle to see if there are enough strong hands to make the game exciting and bring conflict to the game. If not, the shuffle is discarded and the next random shuffle is produced. That's why there are so many monster hands in online poker. The sites want quick and fatal conflicts to speed up play... the faster your game or tourney is over, the more games they can run ($$$). The more monster hands out there, the more excitement. If online poker used every single random shuffle produced by the software, it would be so boring no one would play.

These are the simple facts of online play... we simply have to accept it or quit playing.
 
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popcash said:
Anyone who thinks the online shuffles are rigged is half right. They are actually random, however the site software evaluates every shuffle to see if there are enough strong hands to make the game exciting and bring conflict to the game. If not, the shuffle is discarded and the next random shuffle is produced. That's why there are so many monster hands in online poker. The sites want quick and fatal conflicts to speed up play... the faster your game or tourney is over, the more games they can run ($$$). The more monster hands out there, the more excitement. If online poker used every single random shuffle produced by the software, it would be so boring no one would play.

These are the simple facts of online play... we simply have to accept it or quit playing.

Popcash you are talking out of your bottom, this is not a "fact", you just made it up. The "poker sites are rigged" debate has been done to death and no-one's ever found convincing evidence that any are... the reason no-one would rig their own site being that they would just go out of business immediately when people found out, as well as probably being convicted of fraud. Poker involves luck and % chances of winning, and that's what they are, %ages. 1% of the time your aces will be cracked three times in a row, which will feel like a bad beat but it's guaranteed to happen.
 
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popcash said:
Anyone who thinks the online shuffles are rigged is half right. They are actually random, however the site software evaluates every shuffle to see if there are enough strong hands to make the game exciting and bring conflict to the game. If not, the shuffle is discarded and the next random shuffle is produced. That's why there are so many monster hands in online poker. The sites want quick and fatal conflicts to speed up play... the faster your game or tourney is over, the more games they can run ($$$). The more monster hands out there, the more excitement. If online poker used every single random shuffle produced by the software, it would be so boring no one would play.

These are the simple facts of online play... we simply have to accept it or quit playing.

*head explodes*
 
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popcash said:
Anyone who thinks the online shuffles are rigged is half right. They are actually random, however the site software evaluates every shuffle to see if there are enough strong hands to make the game exciting and bring conflict to the game. If not, the shuffle is discarded and the next random shuffle is produced. That's why there are so many monster hands in online poker. The sites want quick and fatal conflicts to speed up play... the faster your game or tourney is over, the more games they can run ($$$). The more monster hands out there, the more excitement. If online poker used every single random shuffle produced by the software, it would be so boring no one would play.

These are the simple facts of online play... we simply have to accept it or quit playing.
So ummmm.
Let's pretend for just a second we live in la-la land and what you say is true.
Exactly what happens when a programmer for this 'action-packed' poker site decides to leave?
Do they pay him off, or just kill him?
 
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the one i helped program keeps me drugged up pretty well. anyone wanna buy some vicodin and/or lithium?
 
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So ummmm.
Let's pretend for just a second we live in la-la land and what you say is true.
Exactly what happens when a programmer for this 'action-packed' poker site decides to leave?
Do they pay him off, or just kill him?


Kill 'em of course... :)
 
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How come no one ever notices the 4 hour sessions where the table never sees better than a flush?
 
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