*****Vinyl's GonnaCrushDAmicros 6max thread******

[vinylspiros]

Grind is starting to look Good!

Managed to put in 25k hands so far this month in this 5NL challenge. (since the 12th of december when i started this) Started shaky but looks like ill be going out with a bang. Hope the new year bring lots of good variance to everyone.



Like i said, Crushing5NL till i go to 250, then crushing 10NL.

 

[AlfieAA]

Post some hands vinny.

 

[BluffMeAllIn]

Post some hands vinny.

Graphs are much sexier Alf, I mean the way the blue and red and green and yellow all overlap I mean they are just getting it on in there dang lol.

Looks like its all lining up in the right direction for sure, and its better when the lines are chasing each other up the ladder, oh yeah graph porno haha.

 

[AlfieAA]

Lol yeah sexy graphs ftw

 

[LD1977]

It is amazing that ALL lines are positive. That is pretty rare.

 

[vinylspiros]

This guy is total unknown but looks like a total donk so i went with my gut here. He over bets flop so i decide to overbet turn putting him on aces or something. (or KA)

How can you ever lose with players like this?



pokerstars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com/

Hero (Button) ($10)
SB ($14)
BB ($8.84)
UTG ($14.75)
MP ($17.50)
CO ($20.38)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J

, K

UTG calls $0.10, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.10, SB calls $0.05, BB checks

Flop: ($0.40) K

, 10

, 5

(4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets $0.60, Hero calls $0.60, 2 folds

Turn: ($1.60) J

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $3.95, UTG calls $3.95

River: ($9.50) 4

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $5.35 (All-In), UTG calls $5.35

Total pot: $20.20 | Rake: $0.91

Results below:

Spoiler

Hero had J

, K

(two pair, Kings and Jacks).
UTG had J

, 9

(one pair, Jacks).
Outcome: Hero won $19.29

 

[vinylspiros]

another fishy looking player. I dont really have any interesting spots to post. Mainly because its all going exactly like planned but will be posting another graph to celebrate just before the new year. Grind and challenge are going BETTER than expected and this is the best gift santa claus has given me . Again merry Xmas everyone.

PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com

Button ($33.88)
SB ($4.79)
BB ($5)
UTG ($6.50)
Hero (MP) ($10)
CO ($36.78)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q

, K

1 fold, Hero raises to $0.30, 3 folds, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65) A

, 9

, 8

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.65) 8

(2 players)
BB bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

River: ($1.65) 6

(2 players)
BB bets $1.20, Hero raises to $5.20, 1 fold

Total pot: $4.05 | Rake: $0.18

Results below:

Spoiler

Hero didn't show Q

, K

(flush, King high).

 

[Jblocher1]

Why aren't you c-betting flop? Just want a free card? We get into loads of awkward spots on the turn, when we miss our draw which is real likely..... He probably fires turn with his whole range no matter what because you look weak... Then what? Your only going to hit your flush what? 23% of the time? Most of the time you miss. And then your forced off the hand on river like you would have been here had you not have rivered the flush.

It worked out for you this time.... But can it possibly be +EV? Is your float on the turn accounting for the fact that he's probably weak and will check river to you allowing you to bluff and take down the pot?

 

[ScottishMatt]

Just saw you on Zoom man. Hope you have a good session and a nice Christmas!

 

[vinylspiros]

Why aren't you c-betting flop? Just want a free card? We get into loads of awkward spots on the turn, when we miss our draw which is real likely..... He probably fires turn with his whole range no matter what because you look weak... Then what? Your only going to hit your flush what? 23% of the time? Most of the time you miss. And then your forced off the hand on river like you would have been here had you not have rivered the flush.

It worked out for you this time.... But can it possibly be +EV? Is your float on the turn accounting for the fact that he's probably weak and will check river to you allowing you to bluff and take down the pot?

Here's the thing. I don.t Cbet because alot of the time he folds, and i dont get paid off when i hit my flush. That and the fact that if he has an ace hes never gonna fold anyways, so i wanna go for a little pot control and at the same time have a bluffy line. As you can see, this fish fires turn( probably with air as i thought when he flatted my preflop raise).

When he fires turn and i flat, he prolly knows hes dead/////(CAUSE IM PRETTY SURE HE DOESNT HAVE THE ACE) or if he does,its not strong cause he goes for a full size pot bet and that is uber bluffy esp,since i missed the cbet. If he did have an ace im sure he would have given me a bit of a better price.

Also im in position so if needs be and he checks river or bets smallish, i can always shove and have him fold a ton of his range. Raising pre and checking flop and then check shoving turn or river is always a strong move and ive gotten alot of folds with it. ( and even more bad calls cause i size well on river if i hit)

If i hadnt hit that flush there were many options on the river only cause i had position , so basically thats what i was thinking....


Another thing is when you dont /c bet alot of the time at5NL, people just assume that you dont have it. I do it in a sense to balance my cbet range.( and of course if i have a good draw)

Damn ,,,, this is a lot of mumbo jumbo. I have no idea what im talking about.

 

[LD1977]

Yeah there are loads of autobettors in the micros and you need to have some kind of deception in your range. But it is usually OOP that you need to balance.

 

[Jblocher1]

Sometimes though.... People are deceptive and wanna x/c with an ace to keep the pot small-ish. So you checked back to him..... Then he bet the turn because he didn't want you checking back to him so he's maybe making a move WITH AN ACE.... it's probably a crummy ace with a crummy kicker

But you are correct in saying you have loads of fold equity on river. He was probably b/f'ing river with like Ax. So well played vinyl.

I just don't think you can totally remove an ace from his range in this spot, because stuff just could have gone bad for him on the flop when you checked back to him

 

[Blobweird123]

That's all wrong Vinyl. We should always cbet that flop. You say he's never folding Ax but I'd be willing to bet that's what he had here going for a b/f and you missed a street of value.

 

[Jblocher1]

That's all wrong Vinyl. We should always cbet that flop. You say he's never folding Ax but I'd be willing to bet that's what he had here going for a b/f and you missed a street of value.

+1. I do see your thought process vinyl, but I just think your very wrong in removing an ace from his range. River is well played but you need to raise like that even if you missed your draw and had air since that will be a profitable play specifically against a range containing all sorts of crummy aces

 

[hackmeplz]

That's all wrong Vinyl. We should always cbet that flop. You say he's never folding Ax but I'd be willing to bet that's what he had here going for a b/f and you missed a street of value.

But we put an extra bet in against hands with better equity... I actually think it's a super-easy ch back we can bet all our other fds.

 

[loafes]

I take the exact same line here. I also bluff raise alot of missed rivers

 

[Blobweird123]

But we put an extra bet in against hands with better equity... I actually think it's a super-easy ch back we can bet all our other fds.

Yeah but when we bink flushes on the turn we never get paid

 

[hackmeplz]

Why are we getting paid if we bet instead? If anything checking makes it look less like a FD than betting.

 

[Jblocher1]

Why are we getting paid if we bet instead? If anything checking makes it look less like a FD than betting.

Villain could think your taking a free card on a draw though?

The thing is.... On the flop, when villain checks we don't have reason to believe yet that he has an ace. We don't KNOW that his hand has higher equity than ours. A lot of the time we win the pot on the flop here when we c bet, which makes it less difficult to play the turn and river when we miss which is likely

 

[vinylspiros]

Why are we getting paid if we bet instead? If anything checking makes it look less like a FD than betting.

^^^From my experience this is pretty much it.

So by not cebtting it and suddenly betting huge when the flush hits(whish is obviously a good card to rep),im prolly gonna get paid by all his aces. The bigger the bet he calls on turn if flush hits, the more chances there are that his hand is strong enough to call a maybe even close to pot sized river bets just cause i didnt cbet the FD.

99% of the time and esp at 5NL where play is rather straightforward. Aces and Flush draws are betting this flop. Also some air.

the thing is, if i (standard) cbet this flop i could get reraised and thrown off my hand.(either from a set that is trying to inflate pot and also from aces up and any Ax ,AK type hand). Not to mention the floats i get with KK,QQ,JJ,TT,77,66 and one pair type hands. If i then dont hit on turn but check behind and miss river, it will be almost impossible to get villain to fold unless i make a huge river bet and pray he folds.


I think this line is pretty good although i do understand why Blob and blocher arent great fans of the play. It's just a way to mix it up.

By raising pre and checking flop, we throw villain off and they have no clue as to where we are at. Also K high is good alot of the time here so they actually get a chance to turn their whole range into bluffs. when he almost pots turn ,hes actually doing the betting for us. When we are in position we are in total control and get to see what they do before acting if we miss and according to how the board runs out.

All in all, i check for pot control cause im not going for the Nut flush and also am not getting called by worse.



Of course alot of the time im betting as well, but i preffer checking in this spot to allow villain to make a mistake.

 

[vinylspiros]

VERSUS AGGRO RUNNING: 27/24/4 12%3BET OVER 87 HANDS.


DO WE PREFER FLAT OR RAISE AS DEFAULT?


PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php

Button ($5.62)
SB ($12.05)
Hero (BB) ($11.36)
UTG ($16.07)
MP ($10.30)
CO ($11.53)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7

, 7

3 folds, Button raises to $0.30, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65) 2

, J

, 3

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $0.40, Hero ???? FLAT OR RAISE

 

[vinylspiros]

LAST QUESTION.

IS THIS SPEWY VERSUS REG RUNNING 18/15/2.2 OVER 655 HANDS?


PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com/

Hero (Button) ($12.78)
SB ($13.73)
BB ($4.60)
UTG ($6.11)
MP ($6.26)
CO ($6.58)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7

, A

1 fold, MP calls $0.10, CO calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.65, 2 folds, MP calls $0.55, CO calls $0.55

Flop: ($2.10) 2

, 6

, 7

(3 players)
MP checks, CO checks, Hero bets $1.10, MP calls $1.10, 1 fold

Turn: ($4.30) 4

(2 players)
MP bets $0.10, Hero raises to $4.40.......SPEW? OR STANDARD?

 

[LD1977]

I would flat the 1st one.

2nd one looks like he is inducing you to raise.

 

[vinylspiros]

Button MIN RAISES are like waving a white flag and saying,im bluffing.

PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com/

Button ($9.39)
SB ($11.37)
BB ($10)
UTG ($9.85)
MP ($15.07)
Hero (CO) ($10)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J

, A

2 folds, Hero raises to $0.25, Button raises to $0.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.25

Flop: ($1.15) 5

, 2

, 3

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $0.70, Hero raises to $1.40, Button calls $0.70

Turn: ($3.95) A

(2 players)
Hero bets $2.90, 1 fold:smokin::smokin::smokin::smokin::smokin:

Total pot: $3.95 | Rake: $0.18

Results below:

Spoiler

Hero didn't show J

, A

.

 

[vinylspiros]

Grind is going kinda really well. Im in the zone or something.

this guy is a whale and for this reason i cannot put him on a very strong hand. his vpip is like 65%.



NOTES: My squeeze sizing is embarassing after looking over this hand again. I shoulda went like 1.35 minimum with 4 players in the pot. The flop bet versus whale im not too sure if i love or hate.

PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Button ($5)
SB ($11.87)
Hero (BB) ($16.81)
UTG ($17.31)
MP ($11.82)
CO ($16.86)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9

, 8

1 fold, MP raises to $0.30, CO calls $0.30, 1 fold, SB calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.15, MP calls $0.85, 2 folds

Flop: ($2.90) 10

, 7

, A

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.95, MP calls $0.95

Turn: ($4.80) 3

(2 players)
Hero bets $2.55, MP calls $2.55

River: ($9.90) 2

(2 players)
Hero bets $5, 1 fold

Total pot: $9.90 | Rake: $0.45

Results below:

Spoiler

Hero didn't show 9

, 8

(high card, Ace).

reason i bet so small on flop is to see what hes gonna do and because i squeezed pre, i wanted it to look like i had the stone cold nuts and was trying to lure worst hands into calling. I have the open ender as equity but beyond that,i hate this river spot i put myself in. Pot was like 10$ and i hate giving up so i thought lemmee fire one last bullet and pray he has kings or something and is a non-believer.

Thank you santa clause for saving my sorry ass in this spot.