*****Vinyl's GonnaCrushDAmicros 6max thread******

[vinylspiros]

Do we like this river line? Or should i have check folded or check called?




Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

BB ($10)
Hero (UTG) ($10)
MP ($9.05)
CO ($3.51)
Button ($11.07)
SB ($8.36)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K

, A

Hero raises to $0.30, 1 fold, CO calls $0.30, Button calls $0.30, 2 folds

Flop: ($1.05) 3

, 8

, 5

(3 players)
Hero bets $0.35, 1 fold, Button calls $0.35 ( this was a misclick, want to go for 55% and i dont even know what happened)

Turn: ($1.75) K

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.34, Button calls $1.34

River: ($4.43) 3

(2 players)
Hero bets $2.35, Button raises to $9.08 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $9.13 | Rake: $0.45

Results below:

Spoiler

Button didn't show
Outcome: Button won $8.68

 

[vinylspiros]

LOL


Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com/

Hero (BB) ($11.45)
UTG ($13.46)
MP ($5.30)
CO ($6.50)
Button ($9.45)
SB ($33.20)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A

, A

2 folds, CO raises to $0.25, 1 fold, SB raises to $0.85, Hero raises to $2.80, 1 fold, SB raises to $8.65, Hero raises to $11.45 (All-In), SB calls $2.80

Flop: ($23.15) 6

, 8

, J

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($23.15) 10

(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($23.15) 4

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $23.15 | Rake: $1.15

Results below:

Spoiler

SB had 4

, 4

(three of a kind, fours).
Hero had A

, A

(one pair, Aces).
Outcome: SB won $22

 

[Figaroo2]

bad luck man with the 4's.
Not sure about the AK hand, looks like a backdoor flush came in, nothing wrong with betting the river, probably a good fold, if hes bluffing he has heart.
I just lost two buy ins in my first 6 hands of the night, set over set and nut flush beaten by rivered boat, so you aren't alone running bad...

 

[DrazaFFT]

At a first glance it looks just unlucky, don't worry about it!!!!


will you play new freeroll on full flush tonight?

 

[vinylspiros]

At a first glance it looks just unlucky, don't worry about it!!!!


will you play new freeroll on full flush tonight?

No man, im calling it a night pokerwise. Played 5 k hands today and ended up -6$. LMFAO.


Tomorrow another day.


GL if u play though.

 

[long_bong]

No man, im calling it a night pokerwise. Played 5 k hands today and ended up -6$. LMFAO.


Tomorrow another day.


GL if u play though.

Solid grind still V get some rest. back atter refreshed tomorrow bud >:flybye:

 

[Mr Sandbag]

Do we like this river line? Or should i have check folded or check called?




Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

BB ($10)
Hero (UTG) ($10)
MP ($9.05)
CO ($3.51)
Button ($11.07)
SB ($8.36)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K

, A

Hero raises to $0.30, 1 fold, CO calls $0.30, Button calls $0.30, 2 folds

Flop: ($1.05) 3

, 8

, 5

(3 players)
Hero bets $0.35, 1 fold, Button calls $0.35 ( this was a misclick, want to go for 55% and i dont even know what happened)

Turn: ($1.75) K

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.34, Button calls $1.34

River: ($4.43) 3

(2 players)
Hero bets $2.35, Button raises to $9.08 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $9.13 | Rake: $0.45

Results below:

Spoiler

Button didn't show
Outcome: Button won $8.68

I like the line. You will often get calls from worse Kx hands, 8x hands, and medium PP's. Check/call isn't horrible, but I feel like you're losing value risking a check through on the river. Check/fold wouldn't be good, IMO, unless it's a gross overbet.

b/f > c/c > c/f

 

[vinylspiros]

I like the line. You will often get calls from worse Kx hands, 8x hands, and medium PP's. Check/call isn't horrible, but I feel like you're losing value risking a check through on the river. Check/fold wouldn't be good, IMO, unless it's a gross overbet.

b/f > c/c > c/f

Yea, i see what you mean Mr. sandbag. thats basically exactly what i was thinking.

thanks alot.

 

[vinylspiros]

I honestly think i have to widen my river calling range in some spots.

Look at what these villains are capable of doing if you bet turn and check river.



Villains stats: 33/33/2 20%-3bet over 44 hands(practically unknown but hes heading in the wrong direction)


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Hero (SB) ($12.53)
BB ($4.27)
UTG ($8.23)
MP ($16.48)
CO ($3.85)
Button ($10.17)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 10

, 9

UTG raises to $0.20, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.15, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.60) 9

, 8

, 4

(3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, 1 fold

Turn: ($1.20) K

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.92, UTG calls $0.92

River: ($3.04) 2

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $3.04, Hero calls $3.04

Total pot: $9.12 | Rake: $0.45

Results below:

Spoiler

Hero had 10

, 9

(one pair, nines).
UTG had J

, Q

(high card, King).
Outcome: Hero won $8.67

villains stats: 29/29/1 12 3bet

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com/

BB ($11.66)
UTG ($14.68)
MP ($10.85)
CO ($11.49)
Button ($25.48)
Hero (SB) ($10.30)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9

, 9

2 folds, CO raises to $0.35, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.30, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.80) 9

, 6

, J

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.61, CO calls $0.61

Turn: ($2.02) 3

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.55, CO calls $1.55

River: ($5.12) 5

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $8.98 (All-In), Hero calls $7.79 (All-In)

Total pot: $20.70 | Rake: $1.03

Results below:

Spoiler

Hero had 9

, 9

(three of a kind, nines).
CO had K

, 10

(high card, King).
Outcome: Hero won $19.67

I have noticed that when you follow this line of bet and then check on river as though you were semi-bluffing or missed or saw a scare card and shut down that villains tend to do some crazy things like shoving lighter than usual.

anyone else follow this line to set them up to make a mistake?

 

[duggs]

KK seems fine, just run better?
AA explain why you want to c/j turn?
AKcc, meh played fine, we lose to 4 combos (and still have ok equity) free roll 6 combos and he is punting sometimes.
88 yuck action, why are we pot leading then jamming this flop?
AA raise flop? as played call or fold river.
TT bet flop!!!!!
AK looks good.
AA looks good.
T9dd NO SPEWING, why are you donking turn on a card that smashes his range and hurts ours? as played snap fold river, i think his range smashes us and the frequency of spazzy that pot bluffs compared to nuts is low.
99 i want a good reason for donking flop and turn before i comment on river action

 

[DrazaFFT]

I love the 99 hand!!!! WP!!!!
I see the play like his a lot, always wonder what that could mean, call flop, call turn, im not happy with my hand or i can be beat i check and he insta fire...
Edit: could the donk flop be because of the drawing heavy board and not wanting to gave him free card...

 

[duggs]

I love the 99 hand!!!! WP!!!!
I see the play like his a lot, always wonder what that could mean, call flop, call turn, im not happy with my hand or i can be beat i check and he insta fire...

why do you like leading 2 streets?

 

[DrazaFFT]

why do you like leading 2 streets?

i already answered after i read your first post... Would be a good idea to gave him a chance to see a free card? Just mi chain of thoughts...

 

[duggs]

i already answered after i read your first post... Would be a good idea to gave him a chance to see a free card? Just mi chain of thoughts...

c/r flop seems best, heaps of draws are going to bet, he is only really going to check back complete whiffs and they aren't calling a bet anyway, and if they do turn equity it doesn't matter because anything thats not good enough to cbet doesn't have clean outs v us.

 

[vinylspiros]

KK seems fine, just run better?
AA explain why you want to c/j turn? cause im putting him on Qx that saw me check turn and decided to go for value.
AKcc, meh played fine, we lose to 4 combos (and still have ok equity) free roll 6 combos and he is punting sometimes.
88 yuck action, why are we pot leading then jamming this flop? cause i wanna inflate the pot now and try to get it in before things look scarry for him or me on turn. i feel like im ahead and like donking here. bad?
AA raise flop? as played call or fold river.
TT bet flop!!!!! so true
AK looks good.
AA looks good.
T9dd NO SPEWING, why are you donking turn on a card that smashes his range and hurts ours? as played snap fold river, i think his range smashes us and the frequency of spazzy that pot bluffs compared to nuts is low.i see what you mean. Yea looking over at it, i dont think my line makes that much sense but neither does his. thats no excuse of course but yea, kinda spewy on my behalf and i realize why now.thnks
99 i want a good reason for donking flop and turn before i comment on river action

which 99 are you referring to?




and thanks duggs for going through the hands. your solid bro.



EDIT: i see what you mean. well donking flop to look bluffy and maybe he puts me on some kind of a draw and then turn for the same reason. Then when draw comes in i decide to change my plan and act like it scarred me. all in all this is a bizarre line and i dont like it . But sometimes pull these type of plays off in order to confuse villains. Should i stop doing that kind of stuff?

 

[vinylspiros]

c/r flop seems best, heaps of draws are going to bet, he is only really going to check back complete whiffs and they aren't calling a bet anyway, and if they do turn equity it doesn't matter because anything thats not good enough to cbet doesn't have clean outs v us.

duggs, solid gold post man. thanks alot. Dont know what i was thinking TBH. Good that you clarified this.

 

[vinylspiros]

10NL graph so far.

Started falling apart at some point at around 12,000 hands but managed to pull myself together and things starting to finally be on the right track(again). Lemme see if i can beat it. For some reason ,im playing exactly the way i always play, and lady luck was being annoying for a bit.

 

[LD1977]

Ups and downs are normal (remember the whole variance talk?), if you don't tilt/spew you can ride through them with good BRM (which you still don't have!).

 

[vinylspiros]

Ups and downs are normal (remember the whole variance talk?), if you don't tilt/spew you can ride through them with good BRM (which you still don't have!).

i have 33 buy ins. isnt that good enough?

 

[duggs]

That's fine as long as you moved down at like 20

 

[OldschoolSteinhausen]

i have 33 buy ins. isnt that good enough?

That is enough. Remember though man, it never hurts to play lower for a couple days, or during your non A+ moments (like the last hour of your grinding day, you are less likely to be A+ so play lower stakes for just that hour):icon_salu . If you try to hurry the money, you are on tilt. Good thread btw.

 

[vinylspiros]

That's fine as long as you moved down at like 20

Yea, thankfully i haven't been as low as 20 yet.

That is enough. Remember though man, it never hurts to play lower for a couple days, or during your non A+ moments (like the last hour of your grinding day, you are less likely to be A+ so play lower stakes for just that hour):icon_salu . If you try to hurry the money, you are on tilt. Good thread btw.

Thnaks for advice man. Much appreciated. and im glad you like the thread. Havent been posting much lately but ,i will pick up pace.

 

[vinylspiros]

Generally speaking , the past week or so, i havent managed to have any great results. Roll is stuck from 280-350 and keeps swinging up and down and up and down.

All i need is to hit that 15 BI upswing to get my MOJO back.


It sometimes feels as though the second im right about ready to pass a certain amount,some crazy scenario happens and back to the beginning.

I might have gotten a bit careless and might be trying to force the money to come my way instead of wait for the right spots.

It's not like im losing or anything, but ive noticed that in order to win and win alot consistently, we must be able to make great folds. I have stopped making these great folds due to seeing alot of people make crazy plays and instead of folding by default when i know im beat, i sometimes follow the line of thought that says: "hey this guy might be FOS like the guy in the previous hand"

This kind of thinking will lead only to breakeven results and im definitely going to focus on making the folds i know are correct.


I mean i have put in like more than 80 K hands in the past month and i think lowering volume and playing like 2 hours a day and being on my A+ game( IMO that means playing nitty), might have the desired results.


Will give it a try and see it goes.

 

[Mr Sandbag]

It's not like im losing or anything, but ive noticed that in order to win and win alot consistently, we must be able to make great folds. I have stopped making these great folds due to seeing alot of people make crazy plays and instead of folding by default when i know im beat, i sometimes follow the line of thought that says: "hey this guy might be FOS like the guy in the previous hand"

I know what you mean. It takes really good discipline to make folds and to do it consistently. Sometimes it's difficult to maintain that discipline through rough patches of variance. You start questioning yourself and your play when you believe you are making good folds but aren't getting the matching results. And you might even start making adjustments that aren't necessary or are harmful to your game.

I know the "maybe take a break" advice is generic, but I think it applies here. Take a day or two off, refresh your mind, and come back with a vengeance.

 

[LD1977]

33 BI is borderline because 15BI downswings happen quite a bit and then you either:

1) go on monkey tilt and annihilate your bank completely (as in the past)
2) have to go down and then need to spend 2x the time to get back to the level (assuming variance goes into positive after you go down)

I would say 60BI is the minimum for comfortable play without any worry about BRM (but 100BI is the shit ).