Taking the money and run

[sunirico]

I have found this to be my biggest issue playing live cash games. When im running good i dont want to get up then lose a couple big hands and i find myself tryimg to make up yhat lost money! Even though i may still be ahead im lookong to get back wjat ive lost. Reciepe for disaster but i continue to do it?

This is in the nature of poker, something we cannot avoid in tournaments but certainly can with ring games. The problem is that when you have doubled or tripled your buy-in you cannot simply bank the winnings and risk loosing it all. It is therefor much better to find another table where you only risk 1 buy-in and keep the rest out of harms way until the time has elapsed on your stack at the winning table when you can return again.

I think greed plays a big part in it, if you won one hand then stick around and wait for another. You are dealt pocket rockets which you slow play from under the gun, the action fires up but you happily shove all in you will now have 6x the buy-in. But you lose it all to the big blind who hits a set of jacks on the river (true story but you have your own). If instead you should leave after the first win! It makes sense to sit out the orbit you've paid for right, maybe you are dealt bullets under the gun before you get to leave. :girl:

 

[alittlepoker]

I don't mind to hit and run if i louse my min at the table im gone move to another table or maybe another site even just know your limit and go with that .

 

[taban13]

Only the discipline of patience and self-control.

 

[starting_at_the_bottom]

Think of your poker career as one long session, seperated by eating/sleeping etc.

Only leave if you move awy from your A game or need to do something else. somtimes you win pots and sometimes you lose pots, thats the way it will be.

 

[Chipsteal_jj]

When you're chips are high I would suggest playing it slow and waiting for the nuts to play.
-Fish

 

[dagG1]

The same problem,but i find the way - when my buy in raise up abot 2-3 times i just turn out from the screen and say smth....easy way for me )

 

[ghOst]

Hi guys,

I play cashgames online, with reasonable succes. I only find I have one problem: I don't (know how to) stop on my moment supreme. Sometimes I have 2, 3 times my buy in and should obviously leave and count my money. But because I'm cleaning up, I want to stay - which at some points leads to me losing part of my winnings and in bad cases even losing my buy in.

Do you guys have mental tricks to make yourself stop and be content with the cash that you've made?

I was talking with my coach about this. One great way is to have a record of your winnings and losses per week. Keep a special poker calendar for records of time and +/-. By doing this, you'll know where you are in poker. Standing up with your winnings should have the thought of staying in the positive. Think of it like a video game haha at least you won't be lost at the table wondering if the money is good or not....

 

[solargarlic]

Been There Many Times

Reading your post was like reading my mind! I have this issue to this day but I find when I use this method it helps.

1. If I get to two times my buy in I get much tighter including folded after the flop if I miss certainly to big bets.

2. At this point if I lose a larger pot but still have more than I came in with or around the same I leave the magic is gone in my mind.

3. When I get to three times my buy in I with become super tight and immediately leave when the big blind comes back to me.

Remember you can always start fresh on a new table and keep your earnings safely tucked away in your bank roll. Just a thought.

 

[taban13]

There is a very good reception play until zooming your original buy-in at exactly 2 times. As soon as you did it just go away with the table and discover the new with the original buy-in. Because when you have a big stack is always a bit of relaxing and you begin to play not so collected. Good luck.

 

[iflylight]

i can never leave with whatever money i have left i always seem to try and stay and win my money back/get greedy and try and win too much

 

[n3rv]

Do you guys have mental tricks to make yourself stop and be content with the cash that you've made?

For me it mainly just comes from experience so I am sure you will keep getting better at it next time you play until you eventually master it. You just have to be aware that variance is greater than your feeling to keep playing at one table even if you are playing well and the game is good.

By the way, I think it is fine to stay if you have a large enough bankroll to take a big hit, but if your stack or winnings at a certain table are over 5% of your bankroll then it is probably a good idea to stop regardless of how well you are playing in my opinion. I have lost so many 55-95% situations that I just realise there isn't enough value in me staying.

Sometimes I will stay for another round to show respect to the other players at the table but I find I have no intention of actually playing unless I get a premium hand and even then I play sub-optimally because I am aware I am playing over my bankroll and the variance will change.

 

[12551255]

I usually have a set time that I'm quitting. If I'm losing I may leave earlier, but I rarely leave when I'm winning. In fact, I may stay longer. However, for you, once you feel that you are protecting your chips and not using them to capture more, I would quit.

 

[MilosNCAA]

You don't need to leave table, you just need to play the same as you play at the beginning...you can not relax and call some hands which would be called...

 

[pain_pain_go_away]

This is a great thread, with some great tips, as this is probably the biggest hole in my cash game & why i have tended to stick with MTTs & SnGs.
But i really want to revive my cash game as connection issues have far less effect on cash games than MTTs or SnGs where you can lose your buy in & any hope of prizes & ultimately, profit. And my internet has been driving me up the walls lately.
People tell me that cash games are where the (reasonably) steady profits lie, so i'll try to see if i can play by some of these rules & tips. Hopefully this will reduces some of my leaks & of course, increase my bankroll.
Thanks all.

 

[LornaMurray]

Hi guys,

I play cashgames online, with reasonable succes. I only find I have one problem: I don't (know how to) stop on my moment supreme. Sometimes I have 2, 3 times my buy in and should obviously leave and count my money. But because I'm cleaning up, I want to stay - which at some points leads to me losing part of my winnings and in bad cases even losing my buy in.

Do you guys have mental tricks to make yourself stop and be content with the cash that you've made?

No, I don't need any mental tricks to stop myself. When I feel it is going out of control I will stop this.

 

[kozikpro]

yeah hit and run its funny but if u playing good u should make sesions like 2 hours per day and stoop

 

[BullWink]

IMHO - I don't think you want to get up from a table just because you are winning. It looks good to take the profit, and build your bankroll BUT if there is still money to be made at that table, its not time to leave yet. The trick is knowing if there is still money at the table by asking:
- have the opponents changed, and you're playing against better players
- have opponents started successfully reading your style and using it against you
- Are you still playing well and making correct decisions.

 

[Keith_MM]

most of you guys need to do some serious strategy study from what i've read in this thread .

play the same with deep stack - You stack size is irrelevant, the effective stack size is what matters. If the effective stack size is deep you have to adjust the way that you play as top pair hands go way down in value and draw hands go way up in value since drawing hands now have much better odds to continue and hit their draw because of the high stack to pot ratio.

protect your profits and/or buyin in short - your stack is the tool of your trade , does a plumber take a screwdriver,wrench and ptfe tape with him on a callout ?of course he doesn't he takes a full toolkit so that he can tackle whatever job he is presented with.he certainly doesn't go home when he has done one job and take half his tools out of his van and then head off on another job.

leave a table after a set time - you should be looking for good tables to play , if your table has turned bad with lots of good players unlikely to pay off get off that table and find another one. You make your money in the long run from bad players and trade coolers with good players . Look for the bad players rather than trading coolers with good players and wondering why your bankroll is stagnant/decreasing

playing cash is better with dodgy internet connection - if you are in a pot and your internet freezes you can get timed out and folded and cash gone, whereas with mtt you would just lose chips and chip ev decreases you still have a chance at recovery, with cash game that cash in the pot has gone.

leave if over 5% of bankroll is on 1 table - if you move up with 20-25 buyins , you buyin for 5% of your bankroll meaning that you have to leave a table as soon as you win a pot . why search for a fishy table if you immediately leave it . 10% you could make an argument for leaving but still means that you are ratholing after a double up.and could still be leaving a profitable table. Have confidence in your skills and if you don't have the confidence consider building that confidence at a lower stake and building a bigger bankroll to cushion your move up in stakes.

 

[IPlay]

If you still have an edge over the table(leave when the fish leave) and are playing solid dont leave. If you take a couple beats and you cant handle it mentally then leave.

 

[MichaelFoerster]

First set your goal and profit margin then hit and run. It is really not very tough to do, if you try, you will do it.

 

[LeeCallaghan]

Hit and Run man! haha

 

[dagG1]

If you saw that your game better than your opponents - stay ,but if they put once or twice you in diffycult desicions and you loose - just leave and run away from that table - take a break and try to play on another table .

 

[Jpetro]

I don't agree with the hit and run comments in this thread. If you are up a few buyins and the game is good you should NEVER leave. Why would you leave if the game was still good? Now if you are off your game or the game gets bad then it's ok to leave. Otherwise I think it has to be -ev to leave a good game. I will also point out that if your 300bb deep and a fishy guy just sucked out on some guy for a 200BB pot that may give you a huge advantage. now you cover the fish and have a chance to stack him.

 

[4kingwildo]

got the same problem, its probably greed =( and rng in cash always strikes back in that case, no matter how bloody great your hand =(

 

[avner]

if u play for having fun, consider buy-in as payment for pleasure.
if u play to get money, make a reasonible target and leave when u get it.