nl 3 betting preflop.

[Lopos]

What would you guys say is a good 3 bet for nl games? 3x the original raise? more? less?
Or should it be situational, i.e. opponents being LAG, TAG, passive, etc..

Also, what about a 3 bet Squeeze if there is a caller or two, after the raiser.

 

[bypacheco]

This depends on how many players it has in the table and its position, but better finds to leave one raise standardized to hide some of its hands premium

 

[Lopos]

What?

 

[c9h13no3]

At 2$ NL, I'm mostly 3-betting for value with some squeezing thrown in once in a while.

I generally 3-bet pretty large, because when I do it for value it helps build big pots (easier to get it in), and when I'm bluffing it has more fold equity. Just keep in mind that a lot of the players at 2$ NL are the 75/2 types, so 3-betting against their raising range doesn't have a lot of value.

 

[Lopos]

At 2$ NL, I'm mostly 3-betting for value with some squeezing thrown in once in a while.

I generally 3-bet pretty large, because when I do it for value it helps build big pots (easier to get it in), and when I'm bluffing it has more fold equity. Just keep in mind that a lot of the players at 2$ NL are the 75/2 types, so 3-betting against their raising range doesn't have a lot of value.

I see what you're saying. 3 bet large to build a huge pot with top quality hands, and when you are bluffing your 3 bet make it large so that if you do get 4 bet, it will be such a large bet that you will be able to drop it.

Now, what do you consider to be a large 3 bet at 2nl? say it was raised to 6. 3 bet to 18? Bet to pot? Over bet the pot?

 

[WVHillbilly]

I would think and NL2 you could make that 3bet to .25 if the original raiser has a full stack (just because the max buy-in is so large that stacks are very deep).

 

[c9h13no3]

Depends how deep the stacks are, and how loose the player is. Usually I 3-bet loose players a lot larger, sometimes up to 5 times their original raise. So if a loose player raises preflop to 8 cents, I would 3-bet to about 32-40 cents. To put that in perspective, if there are no callers or limpers a pot-sized raise would be to 27 cents. So I'm effectively over-betting.

Things do change based on stack size as well. Against short stacks, I'm 3-betting more hands that have immediate showdown value (AQ, KQs, AJs, 99). Against deeper stacks, I'm 3-betting hands that have more implied odds (A3s, 67s, 33).

This also changes based on position. I'm more likely to 3-bet more marginal type hands that don't hit a lot of flops out of position (AJos), and in position I'm more likely to 3-bet with implied odds hands.

 

[Lopos]

Against deeper stacks, I'm 3-betting hands that have more implied odds (A3s, 67s, 33).

Is this because you will more likely not get it all in preflop vs another large stack?

 

[c9h13no3]

Is this because you will more likely not get it all in preflop vs another large stack?

Yeah, I'm not 3-betting large stacks who only raise 2% of hands preflop. They're more likely to 4-bet and try to get all in preflop, since their range is so strong. And if I get 4-bet, I usually fold. But you'd be surprised how many people don't 4-bet aces, even deep stacked.

At 25$ NL 6max I 3-bet a *lot*. Just because you 3-bet doesn't mean you're looking to get all in.

 

[Lopos]

Very interesting. I never put so much consideration into a 3 bet. I'm going to start 3 betting a little bit more often given the situations and see how it affects my game. thanks for the helpful advice.