**Jackles Getting serious CASH Thread**

[Jackle43]

Villian was 67/54 over 120 hands, complete fish Gets it in with way less then middle pair type hands
with a villian like this is this line fine? or am i a mad spewer

poker stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 2231311
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BB: $7.20
UTG: $5.00
Hero (CO): $5.00
BTN: $12.06
SB: $22.28

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is CO with A :diamond: K :heart:
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.15, 1 fold, SB raises to $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.80, SB calls $0.55

Flop: ($1.65) T :club: 5 :heart: A :spade: (2 players)
SB bets $1.25, Hero raises to $4.20 all in, SB calls $2.95

Turn: ($10.05) 3 :spade: (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($10.05) Q :club: (2 players - 1 is all in)

Spoiler

Final Pot: $10.05
Hero shows A :diamond: K :heart: (a pair of Aces)
SB shows A :heart: 5 :spade: (two pair, Aces and Fives)
SB wins $9.63
(Rake: $0.42)

 

[Jackle43]

BTN is 23/20/9 over 340 hands
SB is a complete fish playing 50/42 over 146 hands

Do we shove it or fold? I feel BTN can be doing this with AK so im happy to flip with him and SB can almost do this with 88+

Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2231314
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BB: $7.27
UTG: $5.00
MP: $5.00
Hero (CO): $5.26
BTN: $5.45
SB: $6.37

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is CO with Q :club: Q :diamond:
1 fold, MP raises to $0.15, Hero raises to $0.45, BTN raises to $1.35, SB raises to $2.25,Hero????

 

[OMGITSOVER9K]

hand 1's a cooler, seems obv

hand 2 we have to fold, lmao

 

[Jackle43]

hand 1's a cooler, seems obv

hand 2 we have to fold, lmao

is it really that clear? SB is complete donk that just gets money in and BTN is super agro pre that can stack TT/AKo easily? And MP is super passive when it comes to PF action, he was just raise folding every hand

 

[Jackle43]

??

 

[Jackle43]

Like I dont love GII but it feels alot of the time we are good, or atleast flipping with AK against BTN and against SB he can have ATC

 

[Jackle43]

Oh and MP folded before me, dont know why that didnt show in HH

 

[duggs]

thing is that BU gets to freeroll us with KK+, ie he folds all worse but we get stacks in with better. also even if you think SB is nutty cold 5betting is virtually unheard of. BU range is like QQ+/AK at the widest and even then it its weighted towards KK+.

even if you would have got it in flipping/good this time i still think its a fold.

 

[Jackle43]

Thanks for replys. Not much Volume as I am at home on holidays so will be chilling for a while!
playing live tourneys heaps and trying to get atleast 400 hands a day in still tough.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Agree 100% with 9k and duggs.

 

[Aces2w1n]

oi jackle were u at crown sat night? what table number? I was on 16

 

[Jackle43]

oi jackle were u at crown sat night? what table number? I was on 16

Nope, no Crown on saturday. I have been away from Melbourne seeing family, thats why there have been no hands and very limited grinding.
Though i hope to be back soon in full grind mode.

 

[duggs]

Did you play any wsop or Aussie millions events?

 

[Jackle43]

Did you play any wsop or Aussie millions events?

Nope, I played a step up for wsop for free entry but didnt get it haha
Usually just play cash there.

 

[Jackle43]

What does EV line on Pokertracker actually show, Because Im apparently 9Bi below it. Does that mean im running bad or what? I have never fully understood it...

 

[Jackle43]

!?!?

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Dude calm down - I went to sleep lol. Dunno about these others...

Anyway, don't worry about the EV line. Literally all it's showing is the deviation of your real ($) results from the expected (EV) results. In hands where you don't end up all in before the river, your real results match your expected results, and the lines move the same way. In all-in spots where you have X% equity in the pot, you don't usually win X% of the pot. Your EV is X%*Pot-size, but for example if you're HU, you will usually either win the pot =Pot, or lose the pot = 0. So your $ results deviate from your EV. Thus the lines diverge.

Theoretically comparing the lines gives you some sort of measure of runbad, but it is only one form of runbad, and not all inclusive. It does not take into account reads, where someone is in their range, etc, and therefore does not give us a good idea of whether or not we are making good, solid, range-based poker decisions. Stay away from it if at all possible. I mostly see negativity around it. Either a "wow I'm so far below EV, I run so bad" mentality or a "I'm above EV for once?!" Or something like "I'm above EV and I'm still losing??? asldkugflwhuietghblerkgb"

So yeah. Cliffs = don't bother with AIEV line. Just turn it off.

 

[Jackle43]

Dude calm down - I went to sleep lol. Dunno about these others...

Anyway, don't worry about the EV line. Literally all it's showing is the deviation of your real ($) results from the expected (EV) results. In hands where you don't end up all in before the river, your real results match your expected results, and the lines move the same way. In all-in spots where you have X% equity in the pot, you don't usually win X% of the pot. Your EV is X%*Pot-size, but for example if you're HU, you will usually either win the pot =Pot, or lose the pot = 0. So your $ results deviate from your EV. Thus the lines diverge.

Theoretically comparing the lines gives you some sort of measure of runbad, but it is only one form of runbad, and not all inclusive. It does not take into account reads, where someone is in their range, etc, and therefore does not give us a good idea of whether or not we are making good, solid, range-based poker decisions. Stay away from it if at all possible. I mostly see negativity around it. Either a "wow I'm so far below EV, I run so bad" mentality or a "I'm above EV for once?!" Or something like "I'm above EV and I'm still losing??? asldkugflwhuietghblerkgb"

So yeah. Cliffs = don't bother with AIEV line. Just turn it off.

Thanks for the explanation!

I have this super annoying thing lately with getting coolered once or twice early in a session then the whole session im winning back losses instead of just profiting. Getting super annoying.
Both sessions today got Set over setted and AA lost to QQ early on then the rest is just getting back to even.
Feel I played fairly solid so im still happyyy!!!

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Obv it's all about getting it in good, which is KIND of what AIEV is about, but it just isn't sensitive to ranges. That's its main drawback. But obviously if it were so easy to know what someone's exact range was in every spot, there wouldn't be much point to this game.

 

[Jackle43]

Villian is seems fishy but only have 7 hands. He limp folded third hand so I assumed he is a weaker player.

Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2238129
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MP: $6.11
Hero (CO): $6.26
BTN: $12.69
SB: $6.78
BB: $2.42
UTG: $6.53

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is CO with Q :diamond: 6 :diamond:
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, 1 fold, SB calls $0.13, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.35) 7 :diamond: 8 :diamond: 8 :club: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.25, SB calls $0.25

Turn: ($0.85) 2 :heart: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.50, SB calls $0.50

River: ($1.85) T :diamond: (2 players)
SB bets $1.45, Hero???

 

[Jackle43]

Villain is unknown
Thin value or what?
Whats his range?


Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2238131
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Hero (CO): $5.48
BTN: $5.86
SB: $6.86
BB: $4.86
UTG: $5.84
MP: $5.07

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is CO with J :club: Q :club:
UTG raises to $0.15, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.45, 3 folds, UTG calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.97) 7 :club: Q :spade: A :diamond: (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.97) 3 :heart: (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.55, UTG calls $0.55

River: ($2.07) 5 :diamond: (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero???

 

[Aces2w1n]

You'd have to call... Or fold preflop so you don't put yourself in a bad situation.
The board had paired... he seems a lil fishy just call... But if you find yourself losing too many pots in this position fold Q6 preflop simple it is a marginal hand.

 

[Aces2w1n]

QJ checking the flop? What were you thinking?

I find often when I check these flops or check towards a scarey board, it gives people confidence with hands like KQ in this situation is what i'd put him on or some sort of PP.

Since you really don't know from not betting the flop where your at... You'd have to just check the river unless ofc he's a calling station? ... You wanted to see where your QJ is at but if he has KQ he'll not fold this by checking the flop. And it'll cost you a bit to find out on later streets.



Remember as well what are your bets representing???? it's not what you always have it's what your opponents might put you on?... You raised UTG ... you could've easily raised the flop the same amount and just closed the deal right there, he might've put you on AK or something. But by checking the flop you have devalued your opening raiser and now it looks very suspicious. SUSPICIOUS = bluff a lot of the time.


Need to respect this guy until he's proven otherwise, he did call you under the gun. If you raise the river he might as well just shove you since you shown weakness on the flop which most likely he can put you on a weak ace at best

 

[duggs]

Cbetting 100% seems bad, check back looks fine, arguments for river vbet and check back. Opt towards check back

 

[Jackle43]

Cbetting 100% seems bad, check back looks fine, arguments for river vbet and check back. Opt towards check back

Yeah I agree, I like the check back tbh.
I think im leaning towards like a small river bet? get value from worse Qs or fold out weak Aces maybe???