How do mega-nitty players make money

[JusSumguy]

A nitty game, played right, will usually garner bigger pots, when they're in one. Mainly because it usually involves a trap.

I'm not aware of the rake process on line, but in a BM casino you don't pay rake on hands you don't play.


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[F4STFORW4RD]

SS are the easiest possible stack sizes to play against.

This thread is not about short stackers.

NITS are the easiest possible player type to play.

...anyone who is struggling to beat the easiest player type with the easiest stack size at the easiest stakes possible...

I have already posted my stats, and they show that I am beating 2nl. If you take a closer look at what this thread is actually about, instead of just jumping in to make snidey personal remarks about me and my postings at this forum, you would see that it is asking how nits make a profit. Not about shortstackers, not about how to play against nits.

Thanks for telling me how to put someone on ignore, anyway.

 

[Stu_Ungar]

If you take a closer look at what this thread is actually about, instead of just jumping in to make snidey personal remarks about me and my postings at this forum, you would see that it is asking how nits make a profit. Not about shortstackers, not about how to play against nits.

Thanks for telling me how to put someone on ignore, anyway.

Shouldnt you be making threads that are centered around you imporving as a player rather than having discussions centered around how the worst possible players play?

Are thread like this not a waste of your time as the info you gain has no direct application in your own game?

Wouldnt your time be better spent finding out how to play players who you arent able to beat?

Isnt it also a waste of everyone else's time to keep repeating things that you already know?

 

[Aldito]

Sure, you could make a small profit by playing 4/4 over 20 tables at 2nl, or you could try to progress and develop as a poker player in order to move up stakes and play a more interesting, challenging and rewarding game...

 

[F4STFORW4RD]

Shouldnt you be making threads that are centered around you imporving as a player rather than having discussions centered around how the worst possible players play?

I make threads about things that interest me, and which I think will interest other people.

Are thread like this not a waste of your time as the info you gain has no direct application in your own game?

It might apply to my game, I don't know until I read what people say. Since this thread was started I have decided to play more tables, but play them more tightly.

Wouldnt your time be better spent finding out how to play players who you arent able to beat?

I can do that as well. They're not mutually exclusive.

Isnt it also a waste of everyone else's time to keep repeating things that you already know?

I'm not sure what you mean, but the chances are that some new people will read things in a new thread and they won't have read it in a previous thread. That's why CC asks people to start a new thread in preference to posting in an old one, I assume. You don't have to click on threads opened by me, if it bothers you that much.

 

[JusSumguy]

How do mega-nitty players make money
at PokerStars at 2nl? There are a couple of regulars that I see there every day, one is 4/4 and the other is 4/1. They play a lot of hands, but PS don't offer rakeback and the rake is quite high at 2nl.

So how are they making any money?

asking how nits make a profit. Not about shortstackers, not about how to play against nits..

Ummmm... this.

A nitty game, played right, will usually garner bigger pots, when they're in one. Mainly because it usually involves a trap.

I'm not aware of the rake process on line, but in a BM casino you don't pay rake on hands you don't play.

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[Stu_Ungar]

I assume. You don't have to click on threads opened by me, if it bothers you that much.

The sheer volume of threads started by you concerning 2NL SS Nits makes this difficult.

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-games-11/do-you-avoid-shortstackers-fr-cash-202359/

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-games-11/how-do-you-deal-short-stackers-202713/

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-games-11/how-do-mega-nitty-players-make-202981/


There is now even a spin-off thread started by KD.

[old link~tb]

 

[Aldito]

There is now even a spin-off thread started by KD.

lol'd

 

[KerouacsDog]

The sheer volume of threads started by you concerning 2NL SS Nits makes this difficult.

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-games-11/do-you-avoid-shortstackers-fr-cash-202359/

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-games-11/how-do-you-deal-short-stackers-202713/

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-games-11/how-do-mega-nitty-players-make-202981/


There is now even a spin-off thread started by KD.

[old link~tb]

wha do you mean by spin-off thread by me SU?

 

[Teppersinger]

Just because I was curious too:
4% of hands is 53 hands
JJ-AA = 24
AK = 16
TT = 6
AQs = 4
You can add some more AQo or 99s, your choice.
The thing that's interesting to me is that playing 4/4 forces you to play some 99 TT JJ and AQ hands, which aren't instant winners if you don't play well. If the nit simply jams them all pre flop, then he wins blinds 4% of the time, which is too few to be profitable at a full ring table, much less shorthanded. So he needs people to call shoves with worse hands, or else play good poker, in which case he might as well open up.

 

[JusSumguy]

If the nit simply jams them all pre flop, then he wins blinds 4% of the time.

Good luck finding a nit that pushes PF. They'll smooth AA. Remember, a good nit is prolly an excellent trapper as well.

which is too few to be profitable at a full ring table, much less shorthanded. So he needs people to call shoves with worse hands, or else play good poker, in which case he might as well open up.

He needs to catch a set against an aggro with TPTK. This is how they get their money. Not a little here and there. Rather, a chunk every now and then.


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[Stu_Ungar]

Good luck finding a nit that pushes PF. They'll smooth AA. Remember, a good nit is prolly an excellent trapper as well.

They only trap very bad players.

The simple fact is Nits have a very strong range, they also have difficulty folding postflop.. largely due to the strength of that range.

So you dont play many hands against nits, those that you do play are all based on implied odds.

Nits simply cannot bluff enough postflop for people to be making a mistake by folding to their raises, nits simply dont have enough hands in their range to bluff often enough to make folding a mistake.

Thats why they are so easy to play against.

 

[JusSumguy]

They only trap very bad players.

The simple fact is Nits have a very strong range, they also have difficulty folding postflop.. largely due to the strength of that range.

Ummmm... Maybe when I'm playing nitty, it's different than a true nit. And I'm sure your reasoning is correct cause you're, well... Stu Unger. And I look to you when I need a good grip of the numbers. Me? Ummmm, not so much.

When I play that game I'm folding everything but Sklansky-1's and pairs. Small pairs and suited connectors are a one bet only option.

I'm thinking trap and trap only.
I fold post flop all the time. One of the rules of the nitty game (to me) is don't chase, unless it's cheap.

To me, there's nothing in poker better than hitting a ghosted boat against an aggro player with the nut flush.

Those are the moments I play for...


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[Stu_Ungar]

When I play that game I'm folding everything but Sklansky-1's and pairs. Small pairs and suited connectors are a one bet only option.


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Im just trying to figure what your preflop ranges are.. but there arent any suited connectors in the Sklansky Group 1 range.. unless you are thinking of specifically AKs... So you have to be playing more than Sklansky group 1 and pocket pairs for the second sentence to hold true.

http://www.pokerpimpz.com/playpoker/poker_hand_rankings/sklansky_starting_hand_groups.html

 

[JusSumguy]

Im just trying to figure what your preflop ranges are.. but there arent any suited connectors in the Sklansky Group 1 range

Sklansky-1's AND pairs/connectors for a one bet ONLY.


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[Stu_Ungar]

Just to check.. you dont play AQ

 

[JusSumguy]

Say... your trying to trap a trapper, huh?. ..

Let me redact that. And put it right. I'll try to keep my legaleeze proper. ..

Sklansky-1s are the only hands I'll go past a one bet with. Unless it's a fish. But that's a different banana all together. There's always an ebb and flow.

All dem other cool hands? Sure, I'll take a look at em, but not for a big investment. And I'd rather get in cheap with small s/connector, and small to medium pairs than a big hand like AQ. The straights and sets are always ghosted and very profitable, While a bet to a hit on AQ will usually garner a fold. So, the only choice you have to make big money off of AQ is by making a big PF bet. Good hand or not. It puts you at risk for big losses before you even see what you got. To me, this is counter nit.

Of course, this only applies when I specifically decide to play the nit. That decision comes after I get a feel of the table.

Normally I'm a pressure player who likes to bet big with nothing, nada. ..

I know that I don't play by the numbers. And you can always rip me up with the pure clean logic of the numbers game. But it seems to me that the numbers should only be a go to. Not a got to.

Hey, I yam wut I yam. That's why being hebephrenic is so convenient. ..


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[Stu_Ungar]

Say... your trying to trap a trapper, huh?. ..

Let me redact that. And put it right. I'll try to keep my legaleeze proper. ..

Sklansky-1s are the only hands I'll go past a one bet with. Unless it's a fish. But that's a different banana all together. There's always an ebb and flow.

All dem other cool hands? Sure, I'll take a look at em, but not for a big investment. And I'd rather get in cheap with small s/connector, and small to medium pairs than a big hand like AQ. The straights and sets are always ghosted and very profitable, While a bet to a hit on AQ will usually garner a fold. So, the only choice you have to make big money off of AQ is by making a big PF bet. Good hand or not. It puts you at risk for big losses before you even see what you got. To me, this is counter nit.

Of course, this only applies when I specifically decide to play the nit. That decision comes after I get a feel of the table.

Normally I'm a pressure player who likes to bet big with nothing, nada. ..

I know that I don't play by the numbers. And you can always rip me up with the pure clean logic of the numbers game. But it seems to me that the numbers should only be a go to. Not a got to.

Hey, I yam wut I yam. That's why being hebephrenic is so convenient. ..


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OK Im just confused now.

I would say that as you mention SC, that you are playing wider than a nit but tighter than most tags.

However, I cannot make heads nor tails of what you play from the description given.... Ill be honest, I cant even tell if you are saying you do or do not play AQ.

 

[JusSumguy]

OK Im just confused now.

I would say that as you mention SC, that you are playing wider than a nit but tighter than most tags.

However, I cannot make heads nor tails of what you play from the description given.... Ill be honest, I cant even tell if you are saying you do or do not play AQ.

I really have no range bro... If the cat blinks twice, I raise.


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[KerouacsDog]

I really have no range bro... If the cat blinks twice, I raise.


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lol epic post

 

[Stu_Ungar]

I really have no range bro... If the cat blinks twice, I raise.


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LOL Im really confused.

A few posts ago it was Sklansky group 1, All PP and SC.. Now its ATC.

It should not be difficult to know what you play in standard spots.

 

[billyjustin]

all they have to do is win the hands they do play, at least abig majority of them, and poof, winning player

 

[jsaw]

I've played against Stu Unger in various tournaments and fully agree with the other comment that maybe you should be listening to him. I don't play at lot of ring games - usually 1/2 - hour session - far too short to have having a winning track record. But Stu plays tourneys and ring game well. So if he is giving free advice I'm listening, maybe you should too.

 

[acky100]

lol'd

double lol'd

 

[baudib1]

I doubt that there's any value in trapping microstakes players.