How do mega-nitty players make money

[F4STFORW4RD]

No, PokerStars does not offer "rakeback" in the traditional sense, nor is their VIP program very rewarding for low volume/low rake players -- but you can't just say they don't offer any form of rakeback and leave it at that.

You might not be able to leave it at that, but I will definitely be continuing to say that PS don't offer rakeback. Mainly because - they don't.

 

[mrmonkey]

Yeah, but what will you be saying when you reach SuperNova Elite one day?

 

[F4STFORW4RD]

Yeah, but what will you be saying when you reach SuperNova Elite one day?

My fingers are firmly crossed for FT coming back online in January

 

[dgking]

i agree 100% here except for that short stackers arent the easiest players to beat. They are very vulnerable to get there money allin on more occasions then usual. I would have to say complete fish are the easiest players to play against, whether nitty fish or laggy or loose passive fish they are all easy opponents when it comes down to it. So if those are the types to play short stacks always then ya easiest to play against however some short stack players are actually decent poker players...especially if they 20 tabling shortstacked. Your advice maybe good qt times but i dunno, any advice i have seen here is just you stating the obvious for the most part. I used to shortstack fullring tables and i did quite well doing so. Now i play 100bb stack or bigger and do well still. People honestly overrate stack size:skill level. Yes alot of SS players suck, but alot of fullstack players suck and are easy to...that is for the thread starter to figure out

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2NL is the easiest possible stake to play.
SS are the easiest possible stack sizes to play against.
NITS are the easiest possible player type to play.

So why anyone who is struggling to beat the easiest player type with the easiest stack size at the easiest stakes possible would want to ignore anyone offering advice is beyond me; but this is probably something to do with why you are struggling to beat the easiest player type with the easiest stack size at the easiest stakes possible.

As for not giving you constructive advice. Didn't I advise you to buyin for 100bb and drop stakes until you were both bankrolled and felt comfortable rather than buying in for around 50bb at 5 / 10NL. Not only is that advice both sound and constructive.. but isnt it something you are now doing?

 

[KerouacsDog]

husband

ah, never heard it called that before.
And I apologise now, as I thought you were a male(you might still be, in which case I apologise once more, and realise Im never gonna get out of this hole Im digging myself into!)

 

[Stu_Ungar]

i agree 100% here except for that short stackers arent the easiest players to beat. They are very vulnerable to get there money allin on more occasions then usual. I would have to say complete fish are the easiest players to play against, whether nitty fish or laggy or loose passive fish they are all easy opponents when it comes down to it. So if those are the types to play short stacks always then ya easiest to play against however some short stack players are actually decent poker players...especially if they 20 tabling shortstacked. Your advice maybe good qt times but i dunno, any advice i have seen here is just you stating the obvious for the most part. I used to shortstack fullring tables and i did quite well doing so. Now i play 100bb stack or bigger and do well still. People honestly overrate stack size:skill level. Yes alot of SS players suck, but alot of fullstack players suck and are easy to...that is for the thread starter to figure out

Below 200NL there are exactly 0 decent SS players.

Infact with 20-30BB SS, its almost impossible to beat the rake below 200NL

The reason SS are so easy to play against is that you are never faced with a difficult PF, FLOP TURN and RIVER decision. They simply dont have enough money to keep betting.

Whatever your winrate was playing SS micros, it would have been higher had you had a bigger effective stack.

 

[Stu_Ungar]

If you want to read something constructive about playing a tight range (a lot more than vpip 4 though) Here is a great post from the golden archives.

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-games-11/a-nits-apology-why-tight-right-154124/

Although the article is titled "Nits Apology" the title is meant to grab your attention. FP isnt a nit. The stats he quotes show him playing 22/20 which is firmly in the TAG style.

 

[Stu_Ungar]

Yes alot of SS players suck, but alot of fullstack players suck and are easy to..

And by having a SS you make the minimum against these bad full stack players, thereby reducing your winrate.

 

[Poker Orifice]

Although the article is titled "Nits Apology" the title is meant to grab your attention. FP isnt a nit. The stats he quotes show him playing 22/20 which is firmly in the TAG style.

19.3/15.6 (22/20 are the stats. of the player he's comparing himself with)

 

[Stu_Ungar]

19.3/15.6 (22/20 are the stats. of the player he's comparing himself with)

OK well that's still not a nit is it?

 

[alaskabill]

Although the article is titled "Nits Apology" the title is meant to grab your attention. FP isnt a nit. The stats he quotes show him playing 22/20 which is firmly in the TAG style.

FWIW I do realize that FP isn't actually a nit. I just thought it was a great post which might help some people and the title definitely fit.

 

[KerouacsDog]

FWIW I do realize that FP isn't actually a nit. I just thought it was a great post which might help some people and the title definitely fit.

it was more than a great post by FP. thanks for sharing AB.

 

[Teppersinger]

It's interesting to see that we have different definitions of "nit" here. There seems to be consensus that a nit has a very low VPIP, and therefore only plays very good hands (I was thinking 99+ and AQ+).
The question is how a nit plays preflop (standard raise vs open-shoving/over-shoving), whether a nit is by definition a short-stacker, and how a nit plays post-flop.
I think there is a way to be profitable open-shoving with a 5% range, especially against loose players, and especially when over-shoving loose open-raises and loose open-raises with callers behind. The counter-strategy is to limp with JJ+. Usually nits who open-shove a lot also play short stacked. (I apologize for not reading the short-stack thread--I'm sure it's scintillating.) I used to see this all the time from Russian and Chinese players online.

The way to lose a lot of money as a nit is to open-raise with a deep stack, get a few callers, bet the flop and get called, bet the turn and get shoved on (by a set miner or some trash hand that hits 2 pair). Then the nit goes on tilt and gets stacked another time or two. I've seen this mostly in live games.

So.... maybe the different views in the thread are mostly due to different assumptions/definitions....

 

[F4STFORW4RD]

The question is how a nit plays preflop (standard raise vs open-shoving/over-shoving), whether a nit is by definition a short-stacker, and how a nit plays post-flop.

Most nits that I encounter are not short-stackers, but for a short-stacker to play short-stack strategy "properly" they should be a nit.

 

[swingro]

Actually they make profit but that does not mean they are good player. 4/4 is exactely premium hands range. They are easy to deal with because they play when hey have it and fold when they do not have it. But they are not concerned with good players. Their goal is to take as much money they can from the fish that is caling preflop. Is not profitable to setmine against them because ussualy they raise hard enough. But it is verry profitable to steal their blinds so you have to make sure when you sit at a table that they are close to your left.
But this takes you only to some lvl. I do not think players like this will make profit a 25/50. Simply this is a style to addopt at micros where there are fish willing to play bingo. Higher the lvl you will have your blinds stolen and when you finally raise everyone will fold.