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1blanqueanu1
Rock Star
Silver Level
It's all very relative, can be a good poker player that has a balanced range and play aggressive. Generally done in poker should be played aggressively, for example if we open initiative and we raise 70% of the time the bet will contue (depending on the board and villain)
You can be a poker player who polarises a lot and always plays aggressive, both hands worth their bluff also
The case is more convenient for us when we find an aggressive type that with a 66 and want to go all in pre flop, against such great players would play. In this case our value range pre flop can be a bit wider and we will agree to isolate worth pre flop play against more boats with position and here if you can do more if slow play because the end all hitear in bluff often just trying to win the pot to force and that did not value anything but their desire to get you out of your hand if you or
You can be a poker player who polarises a lot and always plays aggressive, both hands worth their bluff also
The case is more convenient for us when we find an aggressive type that with a 66 and want to go all in pre flop, against such great players would play. In this case our value range pre flop can be a bit wider and we will agree to isolate worth pre flop play against more boats with position and here if you can do more if slow play because the end all hitear in bluff often just trying to win the pot to force and that did not value anything but their desire to get you out of your hand if you or
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SamBush
Enthusiast
Silver Level
if you're online move tables or jump in position of the player... if this is not possible then i would say call with AA/KK now and again and check call all 3 streets it will show a profit.... or you can never call you just 4 bet or fold!
SloPowers
Rock Star
Silver Level
I don't play live often but I went with my daughter to the casino last night and played a little $1/$3. I found it very interesting that of the players (all guys I might add) were very aggressive against us girls! No doubt I was pushed off a couple of pots but none where I actually hit the board so didn't lose much. No respect shown for raising or c-bets at all. One hand in particular I had QQ and hit a set with 2 clubs on board... villain was first to act and when the 3rd club arrived he push the bet up to $40. I thought about it and just pushed the rest of my chips in the middle - he folded like a cheap tent! Moral of the story: meet aggression with aggression but make sure you are in position and have a hand! I left shortly after with more than my starting stack so I was happy enough!
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CactusCat
Rock Star
Silver Level
Take a stand if you flop strong equity in the pot. Flush draw with overcards, pair + gutshot, combo draws, if he raises you just come over the top and force a bigger pot than he's willing to play. Set up a float and big river bet/shove if you miss or hit regardless, unless the turn sets off alarm bells.
Usually he doesn't make it past the flop, even if you're out of position.
What actually makes it harder with the aggressive player to your direct left is that you still have to account for the rest of the table, you can't just have tunnel vision. You don't want to get too out of line yourself and end up in the crosshairs of someone waking up with AA or KK.
Usually he doesn't make it past the flop, even if you're out of position.
What actually makes it harder with the aggressive player to your direct left is that you still have to account for the rest of the table, you can't just have tunnel vision. You don't want to get too out of line yourself and end up in the crosshairs of someone waking up with AA or KK.
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nygmen2007
Visionary
Silver Level
Dealing with aggression, is a fun concept, because I find that I am on of those players. You have to take a chance, and make sure it is not the time this person actually has a hand.. In the end it is the aggressive ones that win less often than tighter players...
Thinker_145
Visionary
Silver Level
Well that really depends on the level of stakes. I believe in the micro levels this is very much true, ultimately you will spew too much to random fish by being very aggressive.
But I don't believe that statement is true for the higher levels.
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TomLeach
Rock Star
Silver Level
Agreed. The best players in the world are generally aggressive/hyper aggressive. The problem with being tight is youre just not getting paid off enough.
mendiolacubicle
Rock Star
Silver Level
i don't know how to respond to this, I ain't even an expert. Perhaps just don't fight fire agaibst fire if you can't handlr the heat. Preferrably, play at your comfort zone and eventually you should learn or know how these guys plays.
If you're having hard time with aggression play passively at first with premium hands and get volume of hands against them, study how they react or how they play, take down notes and make their style of play profitable for you. 😊😊😊
If you're having hard time with aggression play passively at first with premium hands and get volume of hands against them, study how they react or how they play, take down notes and make their style of play profitable for you. 😊😊😊
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swingro
Legend
Silver Level
You need to learn poker. Agression is a relative term. There is no short answer. There are books on this. And after you read all 20+ books you need hundred of thousands of hands of experience, a lot of hands posted and answers. Apart from maniacs that are the easy type to deal with , aggressive people are the hardest ones to deal with: LAGs, SLAGs, TAGs .
A2345Razz
Legend
Silver Level
There is no simple one size fits all strategy...but IN GENERAL, for the typical CC micro player who doesn't have a ton of experience or hand reading ability:
I would play a lot fewer hand OOP (out of position) to the villain. Yes, this means you might be giving up your blinds to the guy a lot.....take a breath and realize this is not a tournament and the aim of a cash game is not to steal the blinds unopposed as it is in donkaments. If there were antes in the game this would change...but tbh virtually no NLH cash games have antes, so...yeah.
Now when you are in position with hands like KJ KQ AJ A10 QJss 88 99 77 you want to be reraising the aggressive villain more if you're heads up especially. You want the initiative going into the flop with position. Also, have a plan on the flop...go with your plan. Also, I might check/call a bit more that usual on flops, and CR more too. If you have to play hands OOP (i.e. a K10ss out of the blinds to a small raise) make sure you have some hands you are checkraising with nothing....bet about 80-90 of the entire pot.
Thats all...less hands more often in position and more often reraising the villain. STOP DEFENDING THE BLINDS WITH TRASH, but when you do have some checkraises with nothing.
I would play a lot fewer hand OOP (out of position) to the villain. Yes, this means you might be giving up your blinds to the guy a lot.....take a breath and realize this is not a tournament and the aim of a cash game is not to steal the blinds unopposed as it is in donkaments. If there were antes in the game this would change...but tbh virtually no NLH cash games have antes, so...yeah.
Now when you are in position with hands like KJ KQ AJ A10 QJss 88 99 77 you want to be reraising the aggressive villain more if you're heads up especially. You want the initiative going into the flop with position. Also, have a plan on the flop...go with your plan. Also, I might check/call a bit more that usual on flops, and CR more too. If you have to play hands OOP (i.e. a K10ss out of the blinds to a small raise) make sure you have some hands you are checkraising with nothing....bet about 80-90 of the entire pot.
Thats all...less hands more often in position and more often reraising the villain. STOP DEFENDING THE BLINDS WITH TRASH, but when you do have some checkraises with nothing.
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losties
Rock Star
Silver Level
Since they are aggressive, I wonder if it would be possible to slow them down if you be more aggressive once in a while such as a shove pre flop, if you think your hand is better. Maybe doing that a couple of time and it would make them confused?
TomLeach
Rock Star
Silver Level
IMO this is a bad play, against an aggressive player, you dont want to shove pre flop, you risk them A) folding and you getting marginal value from your supposedly stronger hand. or B) Calling with better for your whole stack.
Against an aggressive player you either want to out aggress them, or pick your spots with bluff catchers/value hands and milk them dry.
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CactusCat
Rock Star
Silver Level
The reason they can run over a table is that they thrive on the other players' aversion to high variance. They know at the micros people want to see the flop even with hands as strong as Ace-King and hit sets with their pocket pairs before getting their money in. They know people want to play small ball poker. So to take a stand, you have to assess their range and adopt a long-ball poker strategy.
If you have someone raising some autistic amount like 15x the bb every other hand, that indicates he's raising with any pretty-looking hand: ace-rags, any two broadway cards suited or offsuit, suited connectors, and any pocket pair from deuces and treys up.
Yesterday, I did run into such a player. I eventually limp call with 1010 to see what happens, he makes his usual raise, and there's only the button who called after me.
My decision was made when I saw that only the button called - I know I have the best hand 100% of the time, and decide the button isn't trapping. I have to dodge one overcard if he has ace rag or king rag, and am hopefully in a 70%/30% situation.
I close my eyes and shove, he snap calls with 58 of diamonds and I happened to be in pretty good shape. I'm normally never getting it in with 1010 since I'm usually in a coinflip at best which I'll lose, and could get beaten by some random hand, but that's what he's exploiting, and you have to make an adjustment. You have to adjust your stacking-off range and be willing to take a bad beat.
Once you do this to them, the aggrofish will slow down, or get completely stacked by someone else who also takes a stand. But you also have to make sure you don't run into aces or kings when other players are calling. Don't lose sight of the other players who could wake up with a hand.
If you have someone raising some autistic amount like 15x the bb every other hand, that indicates he's raising with any pretty-looking hand: ace-rags, any two broadway cards suited or offsuit, suited connectors, and any pocket pair from deuces and treys up.
Yesterday, I did run into such a player. I eventually limp call with 1010 to see what happens, he makes his usual raise, and there's only the button who called after me.
My decision was made when I saw that only the button called - I know I have the best hand 100% of the time, and decide the button isn't trapping. I have to dodge one overcard if he has ace rag or king rag, and am hopefully in a 70%/30% situation.
I close my eyes and shove, he snap calls with 58 of diamonds and I happened to be in pretty good shape. I'm normally never getting it in with 1010 since I'm usually in a coinflip at best which I'll lose, and could get beaten by some random hand, but that's what he's exploiting, and you have to make an adjustment. You have to adjust your stacking-off range and be willing to take a bad beat.
Once you do this to them, the aggrofish will slow down, or get completely stacked by someone else who also takes a stand. But you also have to make sure you don't run into aces or kings when other players are calling. Don't lose sight of the other players who could wake up with a hand.
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TomLeach
Rock Star
Silver Level
I would break my arm getting my chips in fast enough in this situation.
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CactusCat
Rock Star
Silver Level
Yea I realize it's pretty standard, but he did turn up with KQ of diamonds in the only other all in I saw beforehand vs. an unfortunate K5 suited. I'm not absolutely thrilled to be getting it on a coinflip against something like QJ, but I thought I'd he was raising enough to have smaller pocket pairs and 1 over + 1 under hands. I did turn out to catch him at the absolute gutter bottom of his range.
This guy wasn't a skillful LAG or anything, and that's probably the most profitable players you can have at a table. They fold out rags and win the blinds, and when they do come up against a real hand, they don't have the sense to fold. Just thank the poker gods they're at your table and that you picked up a strong hand.
This guy wasn't a skillful LAG or anything, and that's probably the most profitable players you can have at a table. They fold out rags and win the blinds, and when they do come up against a real hand, they don't have the sense to fold. Just thank the poker gods they're at your table and that you picked up a strong hand.
A2345Razz
Legend
Silver Level
Beating a LAG who is willing to get it in with 8hi versus a TAG isn't really an issue if you know the basics of hand strength.
Beating someone like me who can LAG against a passive table/players, but knows how not to spew off in huge hands is something much, much more troublesome for your average CC player.
In donkaments it's often optimal to just avoid playing pots with someone who is just better at hand reading than you and Laggy.
Beating someone like me who can LAG against a passive table/players, but knows how not to spew off in huge hands is something much, much more troublesome for your average CC player.
In donkaments it's often optimal to just avoid playing pots with someone who is just better at hand reading than you and Laggy.
