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He hardly ever calls 3bets oop so it be pointless to widen our 3bet value range and I've never seen him call a shove against a reg without the usual calling range. So in that case, is it better? Of course it would be better to do it with an Ax or Kx for obvious reasons
 
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He hardly ever calls 3bets oop so it be pointless to widen our 3bet value range and I've never seen him call a shove against a reg without the usual calling range. So in that case, is it better? Of course it would be better to do it with an Ax or Kx for obvious reasons

We had a huge amount of history that day since we started tables together HU and had an interesting preflop dynamic going where we were 4betting a lot. This carried on across the other tables and he had been 4betting me at least 3x's in just an hour.

If you have a good idea he's going to 4bet you, don't bluff 3bet.
 
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3bet/call wider, lower your bluff frequency, virtually remove your 3b/f range and replace it with a combination of fold pre, 3b/5b and 3b/c.
also tell me if its horrible but id rather 5b/f than jam there
 
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3bet/call wider, lower your bluff frequency, virtually remove your 3b/f range and replace it with a combination of fold pre, 3b/5b and 3b/c.
also tell me if its horrible but id rather 5b/f than jam there

My first thought was yeah thats horrible, but then considering the shite we just 5b with I think a 5b/fold is better.

Assuming we 5b to $22, we then have to call $28/$73 and we're never getting 40% equity when we call.
 
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Assuming we 5b to $22, we then have to call $28/$73 and we're never getting 40% equity when we call.
i will comment on the actual question later, but right now i just want to mention that this is not how the math works. it is not 28/73, it is 28/100, and against a range of JJ+, AK we have ~27% equity. Thus this 5bet/fold is actually right on the borderline. so if i am 5betting, might as well shove
 
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i will comment on the actual question later, but right now i just want to mention that this is not how the math works. it is not 28/73, it is 28/100, and against a range of JJ+, AK we have ~27% equity. Thus this 5bet/fold is actually right on the borderline. so if i am 5betting, might as well shove
I agree. I'd hate 5bet/folding even more than 5bet/shoving. Still doesn't make 3betting correct.
 
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i will comment on the actual question later, but right now i just want to mention that this is not how the math works. it is not 28/73, it is 28/100, and against a range of JJ+, AK we have ~27% equity. Thus this 5bet/fold is actually right on the borderline. so if i am 5betting, might as well shove

Pretty sure he was saying the call is 28 into 72 (I think it's 72), which is getting roughly 2.57:1 on a call. But yeah you're right, we don't need nearly 40% equity. It's right around 28%.

Agree shove is better than bet/fold, but also, if we DID 5bet to $22, you really think he shoves JJ for value? Idk, I'm just asking.
 
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But yeah, idk Tyler, seems kinda like you're getting into a dick-waving contest here with very marginally profitable (if profitable at all) spots.
 
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not that there's anything wrong with a dick-waving contest
 
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Yeah sorry my 40% was way out, dont know what I was thinking.

The 28/73 is just loss/profit though so it really makes little difference, it can be done either way.

Does anybody take rake into account when making these calling all-in decisions?
 
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Yeah sorry my 40% was way out, dont know what I was thinking.

The 28/73 is just loss/profit though so it really makes little difference, it can be done either way.

Does anybody take rake into account when making these calling all-in decisions?

I was gonna say something about that and forgot. Idk what rake is at these limits, but I play 10nl, so there I am trying to take rake into consideration since it is a pretty hefty % of every pot.
 
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Does anybody take rake into account when making these calling all-in decisions?

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I will be giving $100 to the next poster itt via paypal if I don't meet the following requirements:

-30k hands (I have finals and its the holidays)
-Study 4hrs per week starting from Saturday (Dec 1st) so 28hrs total and I will be jotting it down in here to keep track
 
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winner winner ^^^

better hope I don't hit the requirements :p
 
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I'll pick someone else to have it if you don't get there, people probably need it more and would value it more than I will :)
 
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Update from yesterday's session. Played only 1.2k hands sigh down 2bis. Wasn't feeling entirely focused which is why I ended it early so kudos to me yay.

Previous hand vs a reg HU to show he takes weird lines

Revolution Gaming Network - $0.50 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: $52.59
Hero (BB): $50.00

SB posts SB $0.25, Hero posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has 9:heart: T:heart:

SB raises to $1.17, Hero calls $0.67

Flop: ($2.34, 2 players) 7:club: 4:heart: J:spade:
Hero checks, SB checks

Turn: ($2.34, 2 players) 5:heart:
Hero bets $1.45, SB raises to $4.07, Hero raises to $11.00, SB calls $6.93

River: ($24.34, 2 players) 4:spade:
Hero checks, SB checks

Hero shows 9:heart: T:heart: (One Pair, Fours) (Pre 46%, Flop 18%, Turn 25%)
SB shows J:club: 8:diamond: (Two Pair, Jacks and Fours) (Pre 54%, Flop 82%, Turn 75%)
SB wins $23.84


And then about 10 hands later we had this

Revolution Gaming Network - $0.50 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: $70.62
Hero (BB): $50.00

SB posts SB $0.25, Hero posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has K:heart: Q:heart:

SB raises to $1.17, Hero calls $0.67

Flop: ($2.34, 2 players) J:heart: Q:spade: 3:diamond:
Hero checks, SB bets $1.17, Hero calls $1.17

Turn: ($4.68, 2 players) K:diamond:
Hero checks, SB bets $2.84, Hero raises to $8.00, SB calls $5.16

River: ($20.68, 2 players) 7:spade:
Hero bets $14.00, SB raises to $60.28 and is all-in, Hero calls $25.66 and is all-in

Standard right considering he can be shoving better 2p's and he's seen me be aggro with draws so could have some bluffs as well


Fun hands :)

Revolution Gaming Network - $0.50 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): $50.00
SB: $54.14
BB: $50.00
UTG: $32.02
UTG+1: $49.50
MP: $50.00
CO: $49.50

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has A:spade: A:diamond:

fold, UTG+1 raises to $2.50, fold, CO calls $2.50, Hero raises to $8.00, fold, fold, UTG+1 calls $5.50, fold

Flop: ($19.25, 2 players) 8:spade: Q:club: 4:spade:
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $11.00, UTG+1 raises to $22.00, Hero raises to $42.00 and is all-in, UTG+1 calls $19.50 and is all-in

Turn: ($102.25, 2 players) A:heart:

River: ($102.25, 2 players) 4:heart:

Hero shows A:spade: A:diamond: (Full House, Aces full of Fours) (Pre 81%, Flop 82%, Turn 100%)
UTG+1 shows J:diamond: Q:diamond: (Two Pair, Queens and Fours) (Pre 19%, Flop 18%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins $99.25


MISCLICK PRE FTW (I actually sadly wasn't paying attention and looked at the table with KK and saw the flop and wondered "how the **** did I get here" so apparently I donked when I thought I was cbetting :cool:

Revolution Gaming Network - $0.50 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+1: $50.90
CO: $33.92
BTN: $74.87
SB: $34.25
Hero (BB): $76.89
UTG: $15.50
UTG+1: $26.34
UTG+2: $48.41
MP: $51.75

SB posts SB $0.25, Hero posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has K:heart: K:club:

fold, fold, fold, MP raises to $1.50, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $2.50, MP calls $1.00

Flop: ($5.25, 2 players) 3:heart: J:heart: K:spade:
Hero bets $3.50, MP raises to $9.50, Hero raises to $18.00, MP raises to $49.25 and is all-in, Hero calls $31.25

Turn: ($103.75, 2 players) 9:diamond:

River: ($103.75, 2 players) 6:club:

Hero shows K:heart: K:club: (Three of a Kind, Kings) (Pre 81%, Flop 96%, Turn 98%)
MP shows J:spade: J:diamond: (Three of a Kind, Jacks) (Pre 19%, Flop 4%, Turn 2%)
Hero wins $100.75
 
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I'll pick someone else to have it if you don't get there, people probably need it more and would value it more than I will :)

Thanks for not following me on twitter :mad:
 
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Lol i do the last one all the time, erm... how did i get in this spot, remember when i was playing like 2 weeks ago, kinda hungover and tired, table popped up i was in a 3b pot OOP with J8o (sb) was like wait a minute... what...

In that KQ hand. I probably sigh call off as you dont have much FE OTR so i dont think he shows up with many bluffs here and probably calls with 2p hands considering the action. Think he shows up with AT and sets a fair bit here aswell. Although the fact it is BvB makes me want to call it off, and you have so much invested obvs
 
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lol at that J8 hand, wtf..

was that AA hand vs a reg?
 
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Lol i do the last one all the time, erm... how did i get in this spot, remember when i was playing like 2 weeks ago, kinda hungover and tired, table popped up i was in a 3b pot OOP with J8o (sb) was like wait a minute... what...

In that KQ hand. I probably sigh call off as you dont have much FE OTR so i dont think he shows up with many bluffs here and probably calls with 2p hands considering the action. Think he shows up with AT and sets a fair bit here aswell. Although the fact it is BvB makes me want to call it off, and you have so much invested obvs

Ya I sighed, remembered the J8 hand he played, and called

lol at that J8 hand, wtf..

was that AA hand vs a reg?

33/22 in the AA and ya that J8 hand baffled me

Havent been on today, will do now :rolleyes:

That face scared me :bawling:

Weeeeee :D
 
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tyler is says you fold 79 % of the time to check bets. when the tourney is down to last couple people be agressive. to a extent.
 
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