JOEBOB69
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
Then you should get your ass up when you get that deep if your scared to get it in with KK.
JOEBOB69
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
lol if you 6 bet and don't call a 7bet with KK your a tard.And what if villain just 4bet\5bet shoves you fold KK?Didn't say you fist pump but come on now.Like i said prob shouldn't be playing that deep if your scared to get it in with KK.
acky100
Legend
Silver Level
If you're folding KK 300 deep in a satellite, i guess you're folding AA here too. And if you fold KK but stack AA here then that's equally retarded, so you've just called yourself a tard
vanquish
Legend
Silver Level
i'm gonna go ahead and say that "your" the tard.
you realize that by playing your "what-if" game, you've conveniently excluded the scenario where you simply call a 3b or 4b and keep villain's range wider so you can extract more money from him, right?
300 BBs deep, you better believe i'm calling a 3b by a TAG reg (let's say 4% 3b) rather than 4b'ing my KK in position a very high % of the time. he's folding a ton to my 4b because of the insane amount of leverage it has, so he likely folds hands i have tons of equity against (e.g. TT) and puts me in a tough spot when he 5bets (and i have to guess whether his range is {AA} or {AA, **} and the appropriate frequency of non AA hands). i'm much more content 4-betting hands like A3 in this spot (to get him to fold, again because the 4b will put him in such an uncomfortable spot that he'll be forced to fold most of his range).
saying that not wanting to stack off with KK for 300 BBs preflop makes you scared money in a game is idiotic, as you're ignoring potentially more profitable lines you could take with that hand.
JOEBOB69
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
Not every one playing 300bb deep has a freaking clue as to what there doing.I could give a lot of examples some fishy villains spazz out an 4bet shove 300bb+.Therefore your more profitable lines are ... lets see fold or call.
Being called a retard and idiotic within a couple paragraphs is....?
vanquish
Legend
Silver Level
what is "an accurate assessment," alex?
you're basically only presenting situations in which the correct play is obvious (let's see, "fishy villains" are spazzing, shall we call their jam or fold with our KK?). there are many situations deep when you're not conveniently placed in a spot where the villains have no idea what they're doing and shoveling money at you.
calling a 3b and seeing a flop with KK when you're super deep IP against a reg can often be more correct than simply trying to get stacks in pre. for some reason you aren't accepting this.
you're basically only presenting situations in which the correct play is obvious (let's see, "fishy villains" are spazzing, shall we call their jam or fold with our KK?). there are many situations deep when you're not conveniently placed in a spot where the villains have no idea what they're doing and shoveling money at you.
calling a 3b and seeing a flop with KK when you're super deep IP against a reg can often be more correct than simply trying to get stacks in pre. for some reason you aren't accepting this.
JOEBOB69
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
I get your point but this all come from Ben R's post about the only time he would fold KK PRE FLOP.Not what is the correct play.
I'm more 1990's than 2000 an what ever BTW.
ben_rhyno
Legend
Silver Level
It's probably not ever gonna be that profitable to get KK in 300bb's deep. But when you're playing 300bb deep, the game is not about stacking off pre. Also, 5bet/6bet/folding KK pre may not be the best move as you are almost certainly against KK+, but 300bb deep you proabably flat the 4bet/5bet for deception. Also, where did I say 300bb deep in a satellite? I'd probably be 3x chip leader and would call 100% of the time on the bubble. However, with 22 people left and 20 seats, If I am 16/22 with 8bb and have KK UTG, if there are 2 or more microstacks coming into the blinds in 1 or 2 hands i'm probably folding.