John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
Plenty of full ring material. Obviously a majority of people play 6-max, but there's a good amount of full ring and some heads up as well.
John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
Guessing this was on here already, but think I saw posted somewhere that you have a coach who plays HORSE and can coach plo
is that true or am i hallucinating?
Ya may be hallucinating, I can't know that for sure...
but ya, Derric(sixpeppers) would be your man.
pfb8888
Legend
Silver Level
or to rhyme wth lion?
John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
Donk Leads
So you open raise from the cut-off with KcTc in a 6-max or full ring cash game, and a player that you perceive as not very good calls you in the small blind. The flop comes: 3c 8s Qd. The weak player bets 2/3rds of the pot into you. Almost always this means I have a 3, an 8, a small pocket pair, or air. What do I see a lot of students do though? Yep, fold.
A small raise is going to take down this pot almost always. The board is super dry, there's no reason to bet into someone if they had a Queen. Now, if your opponent is really really bad, it's entirely possible that they make a pair and just bet. You of course want to pay attention for this kind of player. There's also the passive bad trappy player that may have an over pair and is looking to get you to call with a Q or worse. You also don't want to make this play at the higher small stakes games against competent of good regulars, because they will sometimes lead with top pair or better to induce action. Those are the exceptions in these cases, and not the rule however.
Back to our example, we have a backdoor straight and a high backdoor flush as well, and an over card that might be good. So in situations that we are called, we have a lot of things to our advantage. We'll have position, and we'll have a lot of backdoor outs that can connect and scoop a nice pot when our opponents does have a hand. If we pick up a card on the turn that improves our hand, such as a club or a jack, king or ace, we can bet again and apply extra pressure. If not, we can choose to check and hope to hit a ten or King that might be good. The bottom line is that we're applying pressure to our opponent in position, and taking back the initiative in the hand.
Same situation as above, but this time the flop comes: 8h 9c Qh. Your opponent donk leads into you for 2/3rds of the pot. Even though you have a gut shot, you should fold. Why? A king likely isn't a good card for you so you don't have any solid over card outs, and a ten isn't a good card for you either. You're left with a gutshot that doesn't carry high implied odds, and a back door flush draw. On top of that, it's highly plausible your opponent is leads with a draw, or some type of combo draw such as 9hTh. It's not a good texture to raise on because our fold equity is dramatically reduced.. Any board texture that is very draw heavy, and doesn't provide you with good solid out if you're called, is not a situation you want to look to pressure your opponents lead bet.
Stay focused on clear dry boards with lots of backdoor outs, and some over card outs. Pay attention to how often your opponent is leading into pre-flop raisers (either by using your hud or your good old fashioned eye balls). Look for ideal opponents who are weak players, but on the more aggressive side of the scale. Use the position you have on your opponent and apply pressure by making them make a decision, take back the initiative and scoop the pot.
Missed Opportunities at micro/small stakes no-limit Series
Donk LeadsSo you open raise from the cut-off with KcTc in a 6-max or full ring cash game, and a player that you perceive as not very good calls you in the small blind. The flop comes: 3c 8s Qd. The weak player bets 2/3rds of the pot into you. Almost always this means I have a 3, an 8, a small pocket pair, or air. What do I see a lot of students do though? Yep, fold.
A small raise is going to take down this pot almost always. The board is super dry, there's no reason to bet into someone if they had a Queen. Now, if your opponent is really really bad, it's entirely possible that they make a pair and just bet. You of course want to pay attention for this kind of player. There's also the passive bad trappy player that may have an over pair and is looking to get you to call with a Q or worse. You also don't want to make this play at the higher small stakes games against competent of good regulars, because they will sometimes lead with top pair or better to induce action. Those are the exceptions in these cases, and not the rule however.
Back to our example, we have a backdoor straight and a high backdoor flush as well, and an over card that might be good. So in situations that we are called, we have a lot of things to our advantage. We'll have position, and we'll have a lot of backdoor outs that can connect and scoop a nice pot when our opponents does have a hand. If we pick up a card on the turn that improves our hand, such as a club or a jack, king or ace, we can bet again and apply extra pressure. If not, we can choose to check and hope to hit a ten or King that might be good. The bottom line is that we're applying pressure to our opponent in position, and taking back the initiative in the hand.
Same situation as above, but this time the flop comes: 8h 9c Qh. Your opponent donk leads into you for 2/3rds of the pot. Even though you have a gut shot, you should fold. Why? A king likely isn't a good card for you so you don't have any solid over card outs, and a ten isn't a good card for you either. You're left with a gutshot that doesn't carry high implied odds, and a back door flush draw. On top of that, it's highly plausible your opponent is leads with a draw, or some type of combo draw such as 9hTh. It's not a good texture to raise on because our fold equity is dramatically reduced.. Any board texture that is very draw heavy, and doesn't provide you with good solid out if you're called, is not a situation you want to look to pressure your opponents lead bet.
Stay focused on clear dry boards with lots of backdoor outs, and some over card outs. Pay attention to how often your opponent is leading into pre-flop raisers (either by using your hud or your good old fashioned eye balls). Look for ideal opponents who are weak players, but on the more aggressive side of the scale. Use the position you have on your opponent and apply pressure by making them make a decision, take back the initiative and scoop the pot.
fletchdad
Jammin................
Loyaler
Subbing.
I almost signed up for PZ, but wasnt sure which way to go. I am a BE player at 10 and 25nl. And its frustrating. I am not a big loser, nor a big winner, and this is now after 200k hands, so I am doing a lot wrong. If I was losing big, ok, then I suck. (Well, I guess I kinda do but thats beside the point...lol) But I am playing to win and not for recreation. I am playing between 1 and 4k Hands a day.
I have read a LOT, been a member of a few training sites, watched x000 vids, and I feel I have a good grasp on the game. I work with a coach as well. I dont read other players good. I get surprised by the hands at SD more than I think I should.
So I dont know if I am advanced enough for the Iron Lion but think I may be savvy enough that the Roots may be too much what I already know (but somehow still cant utilize)
I guess what I am mainly not sure about, is, I dont think I need 6 months of what sounds like more or less beginner course, before I go to Iron Lion. Are there any alternatives, like some shorter basic thing to find out if I am advanced enough for Lion? And, I would have no prob if someone puts me in my place and says "Dude, you are so NOT ready".
Does this make sense?
I almost signed up for PZ, but wasnt sure which way to go. I am a BE player at 10 and 25nl. And its frustrating. I am not a big loser, nor a big winner, and this is now after 200k hands, so I am doing a lot wrong. If I was losing big, ok, then I suck. (Well, I guess I kinda do but thats beside the point...lol) But I am playing to win and not for recreation. I am playing between 1 and 4k Hands a day.
I have read a LOT, been a member of a few training sites, watched x000 vids, and I feel I have a good grasp on the game. I work with a coach as well. I dont read other players good. I get surprised by the hands at SD more than I think I should.
So I dont know if I am advanced enough for the Iron Lion but think I may be savvy enough that the Roots may be too much what I already know (but somehow still cant utilize)
I guess what I am mainly not sure about, is, I dont think I need 6 months of what sounds like more or less beginner course, before I go to Iron Lion. Are there any alternatives, like some shorter basic thing to find out if I am advanced enough for Lion? And, I would have no prob if someone puts me in my place and says "Dude, you are so NOT ready".
Does this make sense?
fletchdad
Jammin................
Loyaler
John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
Makes sense.
The roots course is all about getting the correct fundamentals down. A lot of people (and I've coached so many of these) think they have good fundamentals, but don't. If you feel like you're really solid here, then go with the Iron Lion course. If you feel like it's too over your head or something, you can just let someone know and we can move you to the Roots course and get you a credit. We're flexible and we'll make sure you're in a good place for your needs.
fletchdad
Jammin................
Loyaler
AFAIK it should be no prob. I have copied and pasted youtube links and they work.
sixpeppers
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
Guessing this was on here already, but think I saw posted somewhere that you have a coach who plays HORSE and can coach plo
is that true or am i hallucinating?
I don't play HORSE specifically, I play 8 game and 10 game, although I am not the best ever I am proficient at o/8 stud/8 2-7 (NLSD and TD), badugi, badacey, baducey, and plo, plo/8 and of course NLHE. I don't know much about LHE or Limit omaha. My best are NLHE, 2-7NLSD, then PLO. With o8 and plo8 prolly being my worst.
sixpeppers
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
I am liking this guy more every day...
Ha, thanks yea I tend to check forums late at night after minimum half a bottle of wine. I agree with John on getting the fundamentals down with the roots. If you aren't beating 10 or 25nl you want to start at the roots, some of it will feel like review and some of it you will know but be reminded of, by the end you will BEAT 25nl and be ready for Iron Lion and moving up higher. Also remember, even though 200k hands is a good deal, you could be a slight winner and still be at breakeven level. The less edge you have the higher the variance, and when you are a slight winner the rake and variance are really killer to your winrate, as well as any random tilting session!
WVHillbilly
Legend
Silver Level
You can but you need the long link.
On the video you want to post
Click Share
Expand Options
Check the long link box
Copy/paste that link.
Debi
Forum Admin
Administrator
Or - you just try it over and over and either get lucky or ask WVH to embed it for you.
OMGITSOVER9K
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
what do you class as beating? a certain BB/100 or just a profit.
obv like 1BB/100 is close to BEish.
xdeucesx
Bar Master
Silver Level
ah okay cool
I was just inquiring about PLO coaching, i'll just take a look around the site
thanks dude
John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
Thanx. I will attempt then. Is it ok if I put a small stakes strategy vid in the video section? It has some LB stuff on it, but it's relevant to my strategy article so wanted to put it up.
Debi
Forum Admin
Administrator
Yep!
sixpeppers
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
"Winning is winning, it doesn't matter whether you win by an inch or a mile." - Vin Diesel in The Fast and the Furious
Debi
Forum Admin
Administrator
A couple of articles from John to check out:
PokerZion article: Gut shot pick-up
PokerZion article: Donk Leads
PokerZion article: Gut shot pick-up
PokerZion article: Donk Leads
Samango
Legend
Silver Level
Wow, thanks for that
I searched for this info ages ago and all I could find in the threads were posts saying 'just paste the link and it works' (which it didn't)