Cash game grind from the bottom up 2NL and beyond!!!

[redwards92]

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Raise bigger flop/turn/river.

 

[AlfieAA]

Raise bigger flop/turn/river.

raise bigger and get folds....i dont think so mate

 

[redwards92]

raise bigger and get folds....i dont think so mate

ummm okay.

we are at 2NL you are half potting it with the 2nd nuts on the river what are you unsure about ?

 

[AlfieAA]

bad idea making this thread dave, too many trolls here to take the piss rather than help.

 

[redwards92]

bad idea making this thread dave, too many trolls here to take the piss rather than help.

LOL WHAT ARE YOU EVEN TALKING ABOUT :laugh:

I gave you advice on how to get more value from a big hand that is actually super standard and easy to play.

Now I am a troll?

 

[micromachine]

Don't think he was trolling Alfie, and I agree you can go bigger on river. Flop and turn size raises fine but I'd go around 90c to a buck on the riv

 

[BluffMeAllIn]

Don't think he was trolling Alfie, and I agree you can go bigger on river. Flop and turn size raises fine but I'd go around 90c to a buck on the riv

+1, you nailed what I was going to say re the hand mm. I thought flop and turn were fine as well and given he has called both those bets we can certainly draw more value out of him on the river.

 

[BluffMeAllIn]

No one is going to give up for 1/5 pot and on paired turns our outs are no longer clean, see no reason shoving is better than calling

Also him having over flush draws isn't the end of the world, since we pick up pair outs

true and true, thanks.

 

[AlfieAA]

agree with raising more on the river, was just happy to win a decent pot rather than force a fold with a bigger bet on the river...dont really see the point in pushing our luck when we have 2nd nuts and passive villian has not that much....or atleast not enough to call a 3/4-pot bet with....i dont know if loose passive players are capable of having elastic ranges?

 

[redwards92]

his calling range is going to remain the same whether we raise to 8bb or 12bb on that flop so I would definitely prefer bigger which then sets us up for a bigger turn bet and shove on river. Players at 2NL generally call way to often which is what we need to exploit.

 

[duggs]

much bigger on all streets alfie, flop and turn are way way too small, river should be bigger but i can at least see why you bet smaller there.

 

[IPlay]

agree with raising more on the river, was just happy to win a decent pot rather than force a fold with a bigger bet on the river...dont really see the point in pushing our luck when we have 2nd nuts and passive villian has not that much....or atleast not enough to call a 3/4-pot bet with....i dont know if loose passive players are capable of having elastic ranges?

I would figure villain floated flop with an 8 or flush draw and his min bet on turn and calling the raise once again keeps his range to an 8 or flush draw or maybe 99-JJ. So when it comes down to the river bet villain is either folding his missed flush or calling any bet under pot with his river'd full house. So bigger is better on the river IMO. I like the flop and turn bets btw, get value from many hands in villains range there.

One question though, why did you post this hand if you did not want any feed back on it? What part where you unsure about besides bet sizing?

 

[AlfieAA]

ok thanks, taken advice on board.

 

[AlfieAA]

I would figure villain floated flop with an 8 or flush draw and his min bet on turn and calling the raise once again keeps his range to an 8 or flush draw or maybe 99-JJ. So when it comes down to the river bet villain is either folding his missed flush or calling any bet under pot with his river'd full house. So bigger is better on the river IMO. I like the flop and turn bets btw, get value from many hands in villains range there.

One question though, why did you post this hand if you did not want any feed back on it? What part where you unsure about besides bet sizing?

the feedback is good man, very helpful to go over hands...would like to get into the habit of posting more tbh, been abit lazy with that in the past. Although 5 word replies without some sort of explanation behind it is slightly confusing and annoying. Not got a problem whatsoever with guys who like me on this forum chipping in with help, but its very confusing to say the least when 2 guys who dont even like ya on here chip in with comments....i dont really get it

 

[IPlay]

the feedback is good man, very helpful to go over hands...would like to get into the habit of posting more tbh, been abit lazy with that in the past. Although 5 word replies without some sort of explanation behind it is slightly confusing and annoying. Not got a problem whatsoever with guys who like me on this forum chipping in with help, but its very confusing to say the least when 2 guys who dont even like ya on here chip in with comments....i dont really get it

Understandable, you always see the vague "raise more, fold pre" replies that are not helpful at all. Was just curious

 

[Logan2]

Best of luck Alfie.

I don´t think Red was trolling tbf.


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[AlfieAA]

2nd session done and poker done for the day...will hopefully get more time at the tables tomorrow....$5 profit on 2 tables and under 200 hands...not too shabby



another hand that was abit tricky....dont know why the convertor isn't picking up hud stats for villians, so will post them seperate.

Seat 1: Player1 ( $3.09 USD ) - VPIP: 15, PFR: 9, 3B: 6, AF: 0.5, Hands: 34
Seat 2: Player2 ( $5.42 USD ) - VPIP: 29, PFR: 12, 3B: 7, AF: Infinity, Hands: 34
Seat 3: Hero ( $2.13 USD ) - VPIP: 20, PFR: 15, 3B: 7, AF: 3.3, Hands: 20200
Seat 4: Player4 ( $2.94 USD ) - VPIP: 24, PFR: 15, 3B: 7, AF: 3.0, Hands: 33
Seat 5: Player5 ( $3.92 USD ) - VPIP: 26, PFR: 24, 3B: 17, AF: 2.3, Hands: 34
Seat 6: Player6 ( $6.76 USD ) - VPIP: 38, PFR: 26, 3B: 0, AF: 1.3, Hands: 34


poker stars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - Poker Stars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com

saw flop | saw showdown

SB ($3.09)
BB ($5.42)
Hero (UTG) ($2.13)
MP ($2.94)
CO ($3.92)
Button ($6.76)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K

, K

Hero raises $0.06, 2 folds, Button calls $0.06, SB calls $0.05, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.20) 3

, 7

, Q

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.10, 1 fold, SB calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.40) 5

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.28, SB calls $0.28

River: ($0.96) Q

(2 players)
SB bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

Total pot: $1.96

Results below:
SB had Q

, J

(three of a kind, Queens).
Hero had K

, K

(flush, King high).
Outcome: Hero won $1.89

 

[IPlay]

Bet bigger on that draw heavy of a flop(maybe even bet full pot here), bet smaller when the flush gets there and nice flat call on the river.

Why did you choose to bet half pot on flop with draws present and then bet about 2/3rds pot when the flush hits? Should be vice versa You kind of turned your kings into a semibluff? Idk kind of weird.

 

[AlfieAA]

Bet bigger on that draw heavy of a flop(maybe even bet full pot here), bet smaller when the flush gets there and nice flat call on the river.

Why did you choose to bet half pot on flop with draws present and then bet about 2/3rds pot when the flush hits? Should be vice versa You kind of turned your kings into a semibluff? Idk kind of weird.

thanks iplay

apart from the flush draw i cant see any other heavy draws?
so im just betting enough on the flop to keep QX in without
chasing him away. And on the turn im betting abit more than
half to make him pay for Axc type hands that could be in his
range...and on the river its an easy flat, im not gonna get
called by worse on that board if i reraise i dont think and
its abit spewy if im behind.

 

[AlfieAA]

Best of luck Alfie.

I don´t think Red was trolling tbf.


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thanks man

 

[Logan2]

Hand looks fine to me, maybe i bet to like 12-14 on flop but 10 still fine to keep everyone there.

Alfie, i will sugest to post session results every couple days or by week, we all have good and bad days, and if keep posting all sessions the days don´t go well can bring you down.

You already have experience on this, remember last threads where was posting each session, was always harder when results was not there, so you later decide to do it on more long stretches and was better.

Just a sugestion man, from a results oriented mind to another.
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[IPlay]

Gut shots with hands like 65, 54, 98, 109, j10, 64, and 108. Any of them could be suited in clubs, Which is a lot of hands that villain could of flatted with on the button preflop. I would like a 2/3rds pot bet there because it would fold out those gut shots(sometimes) and still get value from top pair hands. If they don't fold out the gut shots they are making a mistake and giving you more value from there draws.

 

[BluffMeAllIn]

bumping cause going to be putting in a grind tonight on the cash tables, ain't really played in a couple of days and last session was overall pretty standard didn't have any hands that seemed worth picking out.

Basically played only 1150 hands or so and won a whopping 4bb are losing a big hand towards the end, should probably post that one and will dig it out before i start the grind tonight.....did play a small session on some euro tables after tho which turned out well over a small sample of hands accross 6 tables.

Anyhow other purpose of the bump, I see in reference alot c/f, x/c, c/c etc. My question being essentially are x and c in teh first position both check? It's how it reads but as stupid a question as it is I figure it's best to know than to figure it is lol..... I know c in the second position is call, f is fold, b is bet, r is raise but seems x and c in the first position are being interchanged depending on who's posting as check so just wanted to be sure I'm reading it correctly.

Thanks all.

 

[duggs]

Yup same thing I put c/f and c/c out of habit but both should technically be x/f and x/c

 

[BluffMeAllIn]

Yup same thing I put c/f and c/c out of habit but both should technically be x/f and x/c

+1, thanks for confirming.