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RamdeeBen
Legend
Silver Level
Is this pure spew?
Effective stacks sizes - 250bb deep + antes.
Thought process;
Villian had 3bet me a lot..and I folded a ton so this might be another 3bet steal (In which case I should 4bet right?) However, for some reason; I didn't 4bet and I'd be sick if he 5bet me so I thought being IP + implied odds it might be ok.
Flop is some what connected, I guess it hits my flatting range more than his 3betting range in this spot. Only hands he 3bet for value and c-bets this flop OOP here are probs A,Q/K,Q/JJ+ and all his air hands.
Flatting seems really bad and the worse option, even though he will likely check all his air on the turn we had a chance of taking it down.
Given maybe my perceived flatting range here, I guess I could be x/r an absolute ton of hands all flush draws/one pairs + straight draws & villian only continue with really big hands, sets/2pairs and even hands like K,Q are going to hate calling OOP in this spot and probs fold to a turn bet. Even A,Q is never going to be a fan of this OOP but is never going to want to 4bet me this spot.
Again though; it looks a bit spewy..thoughts but Is x/r the best option ? I think foldings to weak give we have postion and calling seems worse. Given we have postion + some equity with gut shots is this a spot where we can x/r the flop and fire turn if checked too on lots of nice turns, like jx/8x/clubs etc?
Thoughts also on sizing?
pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
saw flop | saw showdown
BB ($39.05)
UTG ($19.37)
MP ($17.75)
Hero (Button) ($26.67)
SB ($26.60)
Preflop: Hero is Button with 8
, 10
2 folds, Hero bets $0.30, 1 fold, BB raises to $1.05, Hero calls $0.75
Flop: ($2.25) 5
, Q
, 9
(2 players)
BB bets $1.50, Hero raises to $4, BB ?
Effective stacks sizes - 250bb deep + antes.
Thought process;
Villian had 3bet me a lot..and I folded a ton so this might be another 3bet steal (In which case I should 4bet right?) However, for some reason; I didn't 4bet and I'd be sick if he 5bet me so I thought being IP + implied odds it might be ok.
Flop is some what connected, I guess it hits my flatting range more than his 3betting range in this spot. Only hands he 3bet for value and c-bets this flop OOP here are probs A,Q/K,Q/JJ+ and all his air hands.
Flatting seems really bad and the worse option, even though he will likely check all his air on the turn we had a chance of taking it down.
Given maybe my perceived flatting range here, I guess I could be x/r an absolute ton of hands all flush draws/one pairs + straight draws & villian only continue with really big hands, sets/2pairs and even hands like K,Q are going to hate calling OOP in this spot and probs fold to a turn bet. Even A,Q is never going to be a fan of this OOP but is never going to want to 4bet me this spot.
Again though; it looks a bit spewy..thoughts but Is x/r the best option ? I think foldings to weak give we have postion and calling seems worse. Given we have postion + some equity with gut shots is this a spot where we can x/r the flop and fire turn if checked too on lots of nice turns, like jx/8x/clubs etc?
Thoughts also on sizing?
pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
saw flop | saw showdown
BB ($39.05)
UTG ($19.37)
MP ($17.75)
Hero (Button) ($26.67)
SB ($26.60)
Preflop: Hero is Button with 8
2 folds, Hero bets $0.30, 1 fold, BB raises to $1.05, Hero calls $0.75
Flop: ($2.25) 5
BB bets $1.50, Hero raises to $4, BB ?
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RamdeeBen
Legend
Silver Level
Ok thanks fair points. Its by no means extreme, he's not out of control. He seems to be 3betting on myself a ton as opposed to other players. Maybe he just is picking up hands...I dunno.
Given stack sizes being 250bb + antes in play doesn't this change our 4betting and flatting ranges and we can widen them, especially being in position?
Deco
Legend
Silver Level
We can widen them but not that much. I'd much rather play K5s, 46s etc if we want to flat extremely wide, we can't continue with every hand we open.
When we're deep a hand like T8o is less valueable than what it would be 100bb deep, sure having position deep is great but we want a hand that can make alot of draws and hit flops well. Also villain should have a much tighter 3bet range out of position considering he's deep (although as its a CC game where we all level the shit out of each other and spew like crazy this isn't a sure thing).
When we're deep a hand like T8o is less valueable than what it would be 100bb deep, sure having position deep is great but we want a hand that can make alot of draws and hit flops well. Also villain should have a much tighter 3bet range out of position considering he's deep (although as its a CC game where we all level the shit out of each other and spew like crazy this isn't a sure thing).
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RamdeeBen
Legend
Silver Level
Ok thanks good points
Ducky7
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
hey ducky; apparently you can contact stars and request more tables and you'll be able to add more than 5
Ye ino, yet to see a full table so no point doing that yet? think if we can get games going, hands posted, discussions etc then it will be worth it
AlfieAA
Legend
Silver Level
High on poker, then no
