OMGITSOVER9K
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
..nits.
guys a 9/6 over 300 hands.
is it standard to flat here or are we beat a fair bit of the time?
I was just confused about the check/call lead line.
pokerstars - $0.25 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3: http://www.pokertracker.com
BTN: $14.65
SB: $26.15
BB: $27.16
UTG: $19.16
Hero (UTG+1): $25.00
MP: $10.00
MP+1: $25.00
CO: $20.81
SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25
Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has Ad Ac
fold, Hero raises to $1.00, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $0.75
Flop: ($2.10, 2 players) Ks Jd 7h
BB checks, Hero bets $1.25, BB calls $1.25
Turn: ($4.60, 2 players) 8h
BB bets $2.75, Hero calls $2.75
River: ($10.10, 2 players) 2c
BB bets $7.50, Hero?
guys a 9/6 over 300 hands.
is it standard to flat here or are we beat a fair bit of the time?
I was just confused about the check/call lead line.
pokerstars - $0.25 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3: http://www.pokertracker.com
BTN: $14.65
SB: $26.15
BB: $27.16
UTG: $19.16
Hero (UTG+1): $25.00
MP: $10.00
MP+1: $25.00
CO: $20.81
SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25
Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has Ad Ac
fold, Hero raises to $1.00, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $0.75
Flop: ($2.10, 2 players) Ks Jd 7h
BB checks, Hero bets $1.25, BB calls $1.25
Turn: ($4.60, 2 players) 8h
BB bets $2.75, Hero calls $2.75
River: ($10.10, 2 players) 2c
BB bets $7.50, Hero?
OMGITSOVER9K
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
ok.. guess I'll try again.
been 3 betting this guy pretty regularly at this table, he'd been calling and check/folding every flop up to this.
he's a 22/14 over 828 hands but plays very fit or fold postflop, I was thinking it was a matter of time before he made a move, which could factor into this decision I dunno..
anyway, what to do on the flop and then the turn?
also what about checking back the flop, since we're still IP and get to see all 5 cards cheaper.. (might be being results oriented)
I didn't know if it was standard just to stack overs + FD 150bb deep.
PokerStars - $0.25 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3: http://www.pokertracker.com
Hero (LP): $37.85
CO: $10.00
BTN: $9.30
SB: $11.60
BB: $23.55
UTG: $14.66
UTG+1: $25.09
MP: $42.33
MP+1: $25.40
SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25
Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has Ad Jd
fold, fold, MP raises to $0.75, MP+1 calls $0.75, Hero raises to $2.25, fold, fold, fold, fold, MP calls $1.50, MP+1 calls $1.50
Flop: ($7.10, 3 players) 6d 8d 2c
MP checks, MP+1 checks, Hero bets $3.75, MP raises to $8.00, fold, Hero calls $4.25
Turn: ($23.10, 2 players) Qc
MP bets $16.54, Hero??
been 3 betting this guy pretty regularly at this table, he'd been calling and check/folding every flop up to this.
he's a 22/14 over 828 hands but plays very fit or fold postflop, I was thinking it was a matter of time before he made a move, which could factor into this decision I dunno..
anyway, what to do on the flop and then the turn?
also what about checking back the flop, since we're still IP and get to see all 5 cards cheaper.. (might be being results oriented)
I didn't know if it was standard just to stack overs + FD 150bb deep.
PokerStars - $0.25 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3: http://www.pokertracker.com
Hero (LP): $37.85
CO: $10.00
BTN: $9.30
SB: $11.60
BB: $23.55
UTG: $14.66
UTG+1: $25.09
MP: $42.33
MP+1: $25.40
SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25
Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has Ad Jd
fold, fold, MP raises to $0.75, MP+1 calls $0.75, Hero raises to $2.25, fold, fold, fold, fold, MP calls $1.50, MP+1 calls $1.50
Flop: ($7.10, 3 players) 6d 8d 2c
MP checks, MP+1 checks, Hero bets $3.75, MP raises to $8.00, fold, Hero calls $4.25
Turn: ($23.10, 2 players) Qc
MP bets $16.54, Hero??
The Messiah
Visionary
Platinum Level
Ok imo,and what i would do..
with the aces,im putting a raise on turn,and obv folding to a re raise and shove on river.
the c-bet is grand,but we have to know that we are more than likely behind by a set consid the board and pre flop play.i do admit though the jam on the turn is odd if hes got the set,but i think he jams hoping you have hit the turn,,imo u can never call.
obv another way you could of played is just checking flop,he will bet with his 'set' on turn and u call,if u hit ur sorted,folding if not..its passive but you have 2 overs nd flush draw on flop so a check is good too..its a tuffy though.
with the aces,im putting a raise on turn,and obv folding to a re raise and shove on river.
the c-bet is grand,but we have to know that we are more than likely behind by a set consid the board and pre flop play.i do admit though the jam on the turn is odd if hes got the set,but i think he jams hoping you have hit the turn,,imo u can never call.
obv another way you could of played is just checking flop,he will bet with his 'set' on turn and u call,if u hit ur sorted,folding if not..its passive but you have 2 overs nd flush draw on flop so a check is good too..its a tuffy though.
OMGITSOVER9K
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
FD + overs counts as hit?
if he's got a set we're ****ed, if he's got 99/TT we're flipping.. if he's got JJ+ we've got like 44%.
I swear he has to check-raise fold for this to be profitable in the long run?
I dunno, just figured that if we shove we're always behind, sometimes way behind.
100bb deep I prob shove, but we're a bit deeper.
if he's got a set we're ****ed, if he's got 99/TT we're flipping.. if he's got JJ+ we've got like 44%.
I swear he has to check-raise fold for this to be profitable in the long run?
I dunno, just figured that if we shove we're always behind, sometimes way behind.
100bb deep I prob shove, but we're a bit deeper.
Jurn8
Legend
Silver Level
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baudib1
Legend
Silver Level
AA hand can flip a coin. It seems gross but folding river probably isn't terrible. His line is so weirdish IDK though.
edit: stoved this and if he has AK in his range here the river is an easy call.
AJdd, as played just fold the turn, but really, get it in on the flop or something. Since he could just be getting sick of you he could be playing back with some overpairs and even KQdd so we're fine if he also has some sets and QQ+ too.
edit: stoved this and if he has AK in his range here the river is an easy call.
AJdd, as played just fold the turn, but really, get it in on the flop or something. Since he could just be getting sick of you he could be playing back with some overpairs and even KQdd so we're fine if he also has some sets and QQ+ too.
acky100
Legend
Silver Level
Agree with baudib, it's been a while! :five:
OMGITSOVER9K
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
too early to start posting more hands?
3 says get it in.. 1 says flattings fine.
last time I posted a hand with me playing a draw aggro in a 3bet pot you told me to flat, now I should stack?
and we're even deeper in this one, honestly don't understand the difference in spots.
3 says get it in.. 1 says flattings fine.
last time I posted a hand with me playing a draw aggro in a 3bet pot you told me to flat, now I should stack?
and we're even deeper in this one, honestly don't understand the difference in spots.
OMGITSOVER9K
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
ok, so I got leak buster.. figured it might help (might be a waste but we'll see I guess)
after going over 127k of my hands it deems my most important leaks are I'm too aggressive from each position.
can you be too aggressive?
but THEN the next list of leaks says my W$WSF is low and I'm not bluffing or being aggressive enough so..
I'm ****ing confused.
edit: one says I fold too much on the river, one below says I call too much on the river.
right.
after going over 127k of my hands it deems my most important leaks are I'm too aggressive from each position.
can you be too aggressive?
but THEN the next list of leaks says my W$WSF is low and I'm not bluffing or being aggressive enough so..
I'm ****ing confused.
edit: one says I fold too much on the river, one below says I call too much on the river.
right.
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orangepeeleo
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
Did you play much 16nl FR?? I played my first session of it last night and it was literally full of reg type players with maybe 2 loose passive fish :/
EDIT: First session in a while, I first played it when it first came out and there were definetly more tables going, last night there were about 15-20 tables, full of regs..... not great regs by any means but still a case of cooler or be coolered and wait for someone to spew for no reason, example ; last night I flat a regs open OTB with 44, flop comes 234ss and a 10/9 stacks off with 66?!?
EDIT: First session in a while, I first played it when it first came out and there were definetly more tables going, last night there were about 15-20 tables, full of regs..... not great regs by any means but still a case of cooler or be coolered and wait for someone to spew for no reason, example ; last night I flat a regs open OTB with 44, flop comes 234ss and a 10/9 stacks off with 66?!?
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orangepeeleo
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
Might have just been a one off, but I was a bit miffed that it was a Sunday night and only lol 15 tables were running, can't be to do with my filter cus I just changed the limits to 16nl :/ hmmm
Will try again tonight...
Will try again tonight...
acky100
Legend
Silver Level
win rate will always change as you get better or whatever but probably need atleast 100k + and even still it could be quite different from your true WR, but if its like 5BB/100 over 50 or 100k hands you can still probably safely say you're not gonna be a losing player or a 1BB/100 player but you could play 100k hands at 4BB/100 and then play the next 100k at 2BB/100 or something. You might have an idea of how you're doing in the games generally over like 50k though.
Jurn8
Legend
Silver Level
i find this very hard to believe