Betting or Calling on a made Board

Goron

Goron

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Im gonna give you an example of this hand I played tonight only because these situations rarely happen but i think can be profitable if we talked about it.

If any of yall read my posts i try to let everyone know im pretty damn aggressive and like to bet alot of hands.

I sat down at my normal local game where everyone knows me as a maniac but they are all just passive players.

I get into the hand and im on the button with 8-6 suited and i raised too 30 preflop in the 5 5 game. I got 3 callers.

the flop comes out 5-9-9 Rainbow. Check, check, check, I check.

Turn comes 9. So now it looks like 5-9-9-9 Check, check, check, I check.

River comes 5. So now its 5-9-9-9-5 Made board. Check, Check, bet's 100, I raised it 100. and 3rd pos. calls.

We chop the pot we both play the board.

I knew he was taking a stab at the pot thats why i raised it the extra 100. That way the people behind me if they did push on me i could get away from the hand cheap. But i was fairly certain the 2 other players and the orginal bettor too a 100 had nothing. But at the same time i didnt want to dedicate too much money into a made board, cuz of i coulda easily been raising into quads. (didnt think so but ive been known to do it before)

Do you think I made the right play or I shoulda folded. Because Im defintly not just calling there to chop the pot when i only have 30 bux invested into the pot.

Should Have I raised him more cuz i knew he was stabbing at it. Or the 100 raise was good enough but its just that he is a donkey that he called. When I was the orig. Raiser preflop?

Please help dunno if i played it right or wrong....
 
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jonfelkin

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I dont get why he a Donkey to call as you had shown no strength all hand (post-flop) and he guessed you was just buying the pot like he was. I think just calling may have had the same effect to get the others to fold in this situation and also stops him from reraising you if he did actually hit. Would you of been confident calling a re-raise of 400+?
 
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jeffred1111

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Money invested in the pot isn't yours anymore, it should not affect your decision. When people say they are pot comitted, what they should mean (because they usually mean what you said) is that the amount they have left, compared to what they are poised to win if they have the best hand, is too great to even fold trashy hands.

Example:

You have 100 left and there is 3500 in the pot. Board is K8754 all heart and you are holding the Q of hearts. You are layed down 1:35 odds on you calling, wich means that you need to be right 1 out of 35 times for it to be profitable. You will be right more often than that (you have the third nuts), thus you should call no matter what.

In this hand, you're not comitted and I don't like the play on the flop and turn and here is why.

You say that you bet a lot of hands are agressive but you choose the worst spot ever to be agressive: on the river. What hand can your opponents possibly put you on and reasonably fold: none. This means that you have no FE (or almost none) and are choping 100% of the time, unless you get reraised and in this case, you should fold 100% of the time.

Why not bet the flop ? At this point you have a gutshot and passive players have called you, wich means that a 5-9-9 flop are in their range, but all of them have checked. Also, why not bet the turn, since now, you can rep a 5 or 9. You have to understand that all boards are made boards, this one is just stronger, but it still can be beaten by a wide variety of hands (66 and up + quads 9). 9999A is a made board wich cannot be trumped, this is is not and you should be careful trying to rep. things on the river while showing no strength on previous streets, one time you will get burned and you are effectively paying 100 more to chop the blinds (or have a larger share of the blinds).

So, no, I don't think you played it right, I might call since it is sure that nobody has been slowplaying, but raising opens the door to reraising. Plus, you are not first or last to act, wich is the crappiest position in this kind of situation. If you are sure nobody has anything, raise more of shove. Minraising here is just silly.
 
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jeffred1111

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Also, why are you lagging it up Gus Hansen style is you have access to a 5/5 game where FOUR people cold call 6xbb with probably crappy hands and act like statues postflop ? Siitting there and waiting for good hands or spots would almost be free money.
 
OzExorcist

OzExorcist

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If you think everybody's playing the board then I think the play is fine.

For what it's worth too, the way this hand was played does smack of the loose-passive players I deal live games to all the time, so I wouldn't be surprised if the remaining players were just playing the board. I've dealt hands before where there was an AQT98 flush on the board - the only way the pot's not getting split is if someone has the suited king or jack - and it played the exact same way. Someone raised the river and one of the three players actually folded.

In this hand, I'd have figured a 9 would have bet the flop at the very least. A pair higher than fives would probably have bet at some point too. So it's probably safe, all you're doing is cutting out some players, and maybe taking the whole thing if the first raiser believes you've got either a better pair or the case 9 (unlikely though it is).
 
Goron

Goron

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I guess...

I guess your both right. I think the reason why i did it was just because everyone is so passive at the game.

At a game mixed with strong and weak players I prob would never make that play and bet on the turn instead.

Thanks for the input guys.

Trying to get better one flop at a time :D
 
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