BEST WAY TO PLAY JJ OR QQ AGAINST A FLOP WITH AN ACE OR KING??
Mike1Nap4
Rock Star
Silver Level
I should of done that last night in the daily dollar on FT. Made a nice 4x the blinds with QQ. Call by the blinds. Flop 9 A 2 rainbow, check/check. I raise to 3/4 the pot, one raises, the other calls, I shove like an idiot and lose. I even said to myself "He's got an Ace!" Guy had A6o, other had 910o. Should of folded but couldn't cause I donked out on that one.
PurgatoryD
Visionary
Silver Level
JJ is tricky, but most of the decision making comes preflop. Once you're sitting there looking at a flop with overcards, it comes down to your read on your opponent and position. If you have no read and you're out of position, good luck. Someone may call a c-bet because they've got you beat, but they may also call because they don't believe you because you c-bet too often. Or they may be on a draw with pot odds. Or they may be on a draw and desparate.
As with every hand in poker, the answer is the same: it depends. Don't ya hate that? But just in the tourament I played last night, I remember getting JJ twice: once I limped, and another time I raised 3x BB. In other games I've folded them. For tourament play especially, it depends upon which stage of the tournament you're in, what position your in, and how the other players have been reacting to your betting.
Good luck to you. JJ is definitely one of those tricky hands!
-Dave
As with every hand in poker, the answer is the same: it depends. Don't ya hate that? But just in the tourament I played last night, I remember getting JJ twice: once I limped, and another time I raised 3x BB. In other games I've folded them. For tourament play especially, it depends upon which stage of the tournament you're in, what position your in, and how the other players have been reacting to your betting.
Good luck to you. JJ is definitely one of those tricky hands!
-Dave
Sean Pilgrim
Legend
Silver Level
Raise preflop, if called fold on a AxK flop
kidkvno1
Sarah's Pet
Bronze Level
OUCH... I got nailed by pocket kings preflop, a queen on the next one, from a BB caller..
Most never seem to do that, they would shove all-in preflop, then get called by pocket Ks, Qs, As, some how seem to hit one of their 2 outs..
JMTalbert
Rock Star
Silver Level
If you bet out preflop, you have to expect your opponent to have a pocket pair, paint, or an Ace with something. If the ace flops, you have to know the odds are your Q's or J's are beat. A continuation is OK, but so is checking to see another card, then betting or nat based on that board. I am finding that it is tough to have a steadfast rule in poker with the variables of position, chip stacks, player styles,etc...
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WiZZiM
Legend
Silver Level
Havent read any other posts this could be a repeat but.....
ok it depends on the situation i guess. usually the way i like to play them is i guess conservatively.. assuming you are in postion, whats the real harm in checking say queens on a board of A 2 7 rainbow?
if you are beat, your keeping the pot smaller and avoiding a big loss of chips, and if your ahead on the flop your likely to be ahead on the river. Also as it does look weak it entices players to make moves against you, say you raise with your queens and the big blind calls. you know this player defends regularly so you have no reason to supect your queens arnt the best hand.
Flop comes A 9 2 rainbow. not a great board for you, i wouldnt be wanting to play a big pot with that flop. he checks to you. some people would say bet to find out where your at.. but the problem with that is what if he calls? what does that tell you? he could be floating the flop and looking to pick the pot up later. he could check raise bluff you figuring you probably dont have an ace.
definately i would say check here, it looks kinda weak sure. but have massive advantages, it will let you keep the pot smaller, help you not be bluffed off the best hand and it will also entice players to bluff at you...
ok it depends on the situation i guess. usually the way i like to play them is i guess conservatively.. assuming you are in postion, whats the real harm in checking say queens on a board of A 2 7 rainbow?
if you are beat, your keeping the pot smaller and avoiding a big loss of chips, and if your ahead on the flop your likely to be ahead on the river. Also as it does look weak it entices players to make moves against you, say you raise with your queens and the big blind calls. you know this player defends regularly so you have no reason to supect your queens arnt the best hand.
Flop comes A 9 2 rainbow. not a great board for you, i wouldnt be wanting to play a big pot with that flop. he checks to you. some people would say bet to find out where your at.. but the problem with that is what if he calls? what does that tell you? he could be floating the flop and looking to pick the pot up later. he could check raise bluff you figuring you probably dont have an ace.
definately i would say check here, it looks kinda weak sure. but have massive advantages, it will let you keep the pot smaller, help you not be bluffed off the best hand and it will also entice players to bluff at you...
S93
Legend
Silver Level
1. Poker is 100% situational, post some hands in the HA if u want any real advice since your never gonna get any leak pluggin advice by posting a super vague question.
2.Betting for information in NL and PL games is almost allways wrong, the information u gain is never worth the bet you spend on it.
You should only bet for 3 reasons, for value(what worse hand call), as a bluff(what better hand folds) and for protection(what draw are u scared of).
3. Read this https://www.cardschat.com/f49/wa-wb-concept-76525/ .
Learning wa/wb will help u a tone in these spots and hopefully stop u from "betting for info" in the future.
PurgatoryD
Visionary
Silver Level
Wow, great analysis! I hear so often "bet to see where you're at". In fact, I think I've posted it myself a few times! But in a 1500 chip tourney, at least, you can't really do that very often or you become SS very soon!
Thanks again. Great post!
-Dave
S93
Legend
Silver Level
What to u gain from learning what villain has if he is only gonna fold when you have him beat and call/raise when he has u beat?
Thats just spending money on useless and expensive info.
bullishwwd
Legend
Loyaler
Depends on several other things too
What is your POSITION?
What is your STACK size relative to others?
Who is playing TIGHT or LOOSE and who is betting?
How many players still in...this is imp. The more, the weaker is your JJ or QQ.
If I have POSITION and enough in my stack, I'll bet 2-3 BBs after the flop even with A or K showing.
Hope this helps, but don't hold me to this if we are on a table together as everything can be "situational" too.
Wally
What is your POSITION?
What is your STACK size relative to others?
Who is playing TIGHT or LOOSE and who is betting?
How many players still in...this is imp. The more, the weaker is your JJ or QQ.
If I have POSITION and enough in my stack, I'll bet 2-3 BBs after the flop even with A or K showing.
Hope this helps, but don't hold me to this if we are on a table together as everything can be "situational" too.
Wally
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luckytokenz
Rock Star
Silver Level
full tilt poker Game #14353716006: Daily Dollar (104588335), Table 359 - 30/60 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:04:22 ET - 2009/08/29
Seat 1: tripper1 (2,330)
Seat 2: papadon13 (13,970)
Seat 3: BigBadDuce (2,855)
Seat 4: 3suitedAces (5,445)
Seat 5: luckytokenz (2,615)
Seat 6: Jonny Baltazar (1,545)
Seat 7: shazbaat (3,175)
Seat 8: kowalnj (5,185)
Seat 9: akwalangists (5,145), is sitting out
tripper1 posts the small blind of 30
papadon13 posts the big blind of 60
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to luckytokenz [Jd Jh]
BigBadDuce folds
3suitedAces folds
luckytokenz raises to 180
Jonny Baltazar folds
shazbaat folds
kowalnj calls 180
akwalangists folds
tripper1 calls 150
papadon13 folds
*** FLOP *** [4d Td Ac]
tripper1 checks
luckytokenz bets 360
kowalnj calls 360
tripper1 raises to 2,040
luckytokenz folds
kowalnj calls 1,680
*** TURN *** [4d Td Ac] [7c]
tripper1 bets 110, and is all in
kowalnj calls 110
tripper1 shows [4h 4s]
kowalnj shows [Js Kh]
*** RIVER *** [4d Td Ac 7c] [6h]
tripper1 shows three of a kind, Fours
kowalnj shows Ace King high
tripper1 wins the pot (5,260) with three of a kind, Fours
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5,260 | Rake 0
Board: [4d Td Ac 7c 6h]
Seat 1: tripper1 (small blind) showed [4h 4s] and won (5,260) with three of a kind, Fours
Seat 2: papadon13 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: BigBadDuce didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: 3suitedAces didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: luckytokenz folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Jonny Baltazar didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: shazbaat didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: kowalnj showed [Js Kh] and lost with Ace King high
Seat 9: akwalangists (button) didn't bet (folded)
here's one where I though he could have the ace
this next one seems like I should have re raised pre and not bet the flop?
Full Tilt poker game #10680928767: $1 + $0.25 Sit & Go (80494832), Table 1 - 50/100 - No Limit Hold'em - 2:48:35 ET - 2009/02/17
Seat 2: vegas_villain (900)
Seat 7: jmoney1565 (4,945)
Seat 9: luckytokenz (7,655)
jmoney1565 posts the small blind of 50
luckytokenz posts the big blind of 100
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to luckytokenz [Qs Qc]
vegas_villain raises to 900, and is all in
jmoney1565 calls 850
luckytokenz calls 800
*** FLOP *** [Kc 4c Td]
jmoney1565 has been disconnected
jmoney1565 has reconnected
jmoney1565 has 15 seconds left to act
jmoney1565 checks
luckytokenz bets 1,500
jmoney1565 calls 1,500
*** TURN *** [Kc 4c Td] [6h]
jmoney1565 checks
luckytokenz checks
*** RIVER *** [Kc 4c Td 6h] [3d]
jmoney1565 bets 1,000
luckytokenz has 15 seconds left to act
luckytokenz has requested TIME
luckytokenz folds
Uncalled bet of 1,000 returned to jmoney1565
jmoney1565 wins the side pot (3,000)
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jmoney1565 shows [4s 4h] three of a kind, Fours
vegas_villain mucks
jmoney1565 wins the main pot (2,700) with three of a kind, Fours
vegas_villain stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5,700 Main pot 2,700. Side pot 3,000. | Rake 0
Board: [Kc 4c Td 6h 3d]
Seat 2: vegas_villain (button) mucked [7c 7h] - a pair of Sevens
Seat 7: jmoney1565 (small blind) showed [4s 4h] and won (5,700) with three of a kind, Fours
Seat 9: luckytokenz (big blind) folded on the River
this one maybe I should have been out on the turn?
Full Tilt Poker Game #7064416892: $3 + $0.30 KO Sit & Go (53700940), Table 1 - 40/80 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:11:20 ET - 2008/07/02
Seat 1: KCin05 (5,775)
Seat 2: fantasynut1 (2,215)
Seat 3: mat8 (13,980)
Seat 4: Estrike (1,545)
Seat 5: tgreenz (4,235)
Seat 6: luckytokenz (4,780)
Seat 7: lovejerk (2,235)
Seat 8: LETS4X4 (5,010)
Seat 9: AHoleAA (3,800)
AHoleAA posts the small blind of 40
KCin05 posts the big blind of 80
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to luckytokenz [Jc Jh]
fantasynut1 folds
mat8 folds
Estrike folds
tgreenz folds
luckytokenz calls 80
lovejerk folds
LETS4X4 calls 80
AHoleAA calls 40
KCin05 checks
*** FLOP *** [Qh As 3c]
AHoleAA checks
KCin05 checks
luckytokenz checks
LETS4X4 checks
*** TURN *** [Qh As 3c] [Js]
AHoleAA bets 320
KCin05 folds
luckytokenz calls 320
LETS4X4 calls 320
*** RIVER *** [Qh As 3c Js] [8s]
AHoleAA bets 1,280
luckytokenz has 15 seconds left to act
luckytokenz calls 1,280
LETS4X4 raises to 4,610, and is all in
AHoleAA calls 2,120, and is all in
luckytokenz folds
Uncalled bet of 1,210 returned to LETS4X4
*** SHOW DOWN ***
LETS4X4 shows [6s Ts] a flush, Ace high
AHoleAA mucks
LETS4X4 wins the pot (9,360) with a flush, Ace high
AHoleAA stands up
The blinds are now 50/100
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 9,360 | Rake 0
Board: [Qh As 3c Js 8s]
Seat 1: KCin05 (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 2: fantasynut1 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: mat8 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: Estrike didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: tgreenz didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: luckytokenz folded on the River
Seat 7: lovejerk didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: LETS4X4 (button) showed [6s Ts] and won (9,360) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 9: AHoleAA (small blind) mucked [Ac 7s] - a pair of Aces
Seat 1: tripper1 (2,330)
Seat 2: papadon13 (13,970)
Seat 3: BigBadDuce (2,855)
Seat 4: 3suitedAces (5,445)
Seat 5: luckytokenz (2,615)
Seat 6: Jonny Baltazar (1,545)
Seat 7: shazbaat (3,175)
Seat 8: kowalnj (5,185)
Seat 9: akwalangists (5,145), is sitting out
tripper1 posts the small blind of 30
papadon13 posts the big blind of 60
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to luckytokenz [Jd Jh]
BigBadDuce folds
3suitedAces folds
luckytokenz raises to 180
Jonny Baltazar folds
shazbaat folds
kowalnj calls 180
akwalangists folds
tripper1 calls 150
papadon13 folds
*** FLOP *** [4d Td Ac]
tripper1 checks
luckytokenz bets 360
kowalnj calls 360
tripper1 raises to 2,040
luckytokenz folds
kowalnj calls 1,680
*** TURN *** [4d Td Ac] [7c]
tripper1 bets 110, and is all in
kowalnj calls 110
tripper1 shows [4h 4s]
kowalnj shows [Js Kh]
*** RIVER *** [4d Td Ac 7c] [6h]
tripper1 shows three of a kind, Fours
kowalnj shows Ace King high
tripper1 wins the pot (5,260) with three of a kind, Fours
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5,260 | Rake 0
Board: [4d Td Ac 7c 6h]
Seat 1: tripper1 (small blind) showed [4h 4s] and won (5,260) with three of a kind, Fours
Seat 2: papadon13 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: BigBadDuce didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: 3suitedAces didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: luckytokenz folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Jonny Baltazar didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: shazbaat didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: kowalnj showed [Js Kh] and lost with Ace King high
Seat 9: akwalangists (button) didn't bet (folded)
here's one where I though he could have the ace
this next one seems like I should have re raised pre and not bet the flop?
Full Tilt poker game #10680928767: $1 + $0.25 Sit & Go (80494832), Table 1 - 50/100 - No Limit Hold'em - 2:48:35 ET - 2009/02/17
Seat 2: vegas_villain (900)
Seat 7: jmoney1565 (4,945)
Seat 9: luckytokenz (7,655)
jmoney1565 posts the small blind of 50
luckytokenz posts the big blind of 100
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to luckytokenz [Qs Qc]
vegas_villain raises to 900, and is all in
jmoney1565 calls 850
luckytokenz calls 800
*** FLOP *** [Kc 4c Td]
jmoney1565 has been disconnected
jmoney1565 has reconnected
jmoney1565 has 15 seconds left to act
jmoney1565 checks
luckytokenz bets 1,500
jmoney1565 calls 1,500
*** TURN *** [Kc 4c Td] [6h]
jmoney1565 checks
luckytokenz checks
*** RIVER *** [Kc 4c Td 6h] [3d]
jmoney1565 bets 1,000
luckytokenz has 15 seconds left to act
luckytokenz has requested TIME
luckytokenz folds
Uncalled bet of 1,000 returned to jmoney1565
jmoney1565 wins the side pot (3,000)
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jmoney1565 shows [4s 4h] three of a kind, Fours
vegas_villain mucks
jmoney1565 wins the main pot (2,700) with three of a kind, Fours
vegas_villain stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5,700 Main pot 2,700. Side pot 3,000. | Rake 0
Board: [Kc 4c Td 6h 3d]
Seat 2: vegas_villain (button) mucked [7c 7h] - a pair of Sevens
Seat 7: jmoney1565 (small blind) showed [4s 4h] and won (5,700) with three of a kind, Fours
Seat 9: luckytokenz (big blind) folded on the River
this one maybe I should have been out on the turn?
Full Tilt Poker Game #7064416892: $3 + $0.30 KO Sit & Go (53700940), Table 1 - 40/80 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:11:20 ET - 2008/07/02
Seat 1: KCin05 (5,775)
Seat 2: fantasynut1 (2,215)
Seat 3: mat8 (13,980)
Seat 4: Estrike (1,545)
Seat 5: tgreenz (4,235)
Seat 6: luckytokenz (4,780)
Seat 7: lovejerk (2,235)
Seat 8: LETS4X4 (5,010)
Seat 9: AHoleAA (3,800)
AHoleAA posts the small blind of 40
KCin05 posts the big blind of 80
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to luckytokenz [Jc Jh]
fantasynut1 folds
mat8 folds
Estrike folds
tgreenz folds
luckytokenz calls 80
lovejerk folds
LETS4X4 calls 80
AHoleAA calls 40
KCin05 checks
*** FLOP *** [Qh As 3c]
AHoleAA checks
KCin05 checks
luckytokenz checks
LETS4X4 checks
*** TURN *** [Qh As 3c] [Js]
AHoleAA bets 320
KCin05 folds
luckytokenz calls 320
LETS4X4 calls 320
*** RIVER *** [Qh As 3c Js] [8s]
AHoleAA bets 1,280
luckytokenz has 15 seconds left to act
luckytokenz calls 1,280
LETS4X4 raises to 4,610, and is all in
AHoleAA calls 2,120, and is all in
luckytokenz folds
Uncalled bet of 1,210 returned to LETS4X4
*** SHOW DOWN ***
LETS4X4 shows [6s Ts] a flush, Ace high
AHoleAA mucks
LETS4X4 wins the pot (9,360) with a flush, Ace high
AHoleAA stands up
The blinds are now 50/100
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 9,360 | Rake 0
Board: [Qh As 3c Js 8s]
Seat 1: KCin05 (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 2: fantasynut1 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: mat8 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: Estrike didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: tgreenz didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: luckytokenz folded on the River
Seat 7: lovejerk didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: LETS4X4 (button) showed [6s Ts] and won (9,360) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 9: AHoleAA (small blind) mucked [Ac 7s] - a pair of Aces
L
luckytokenz
Rock Star
Silver Level
should I have known to fold?
Full Tilt Poker Game #10401414650: $3 + $0.30 Tournament (78536619), Table 7 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:16:12 ET - 2009/02/02
Seat 1: urnieburn77 (1,470)
Seat 3: wishbone11 (550)
Seat 4: cromobile (1,380)
Seat 5: luckytokenz (2,830)
Seat 6: 1bigtuna (1,500)
Seat 7: Old_Tanker (690)
Seat 8: Sscary (1,500)
Seat 9: bogie78 (3,230)
urnieburn77 posts the small blind of 15
wishbone11 posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to luckytokenz [Js Jh]
cromobile calls 30
luckytokenz calls 30
BADASS2410 sits down
BADASS2410 adds 1,470
1bigtuna has 15 seconds left to act
1bigtuna folds
Old_Tanker folds
Sscary folds
wishbone11 has been disconnected
bogie78 has 15 seconds left to act
bogie78 calls 30
urnieburn77 calls 15
wishbone11 has reconnected
wishbone11 has 15 seconds left to act
wishbone11 checks
*** FLOP *** [Ad 5d 2d]
urnieburn77 has 15 seconds left to act
urnieburn77 checks
wishbone11 checks
cromobile bets 30
wishbone11 has been disconnected
luckytokenz calls 30
bogie78 calls 30
urnieburn77 has 15 seconds left to act
urnieburn77 folds
wishbone11 has 15 seconds left to act
wishbone11 has 90 seconds to reconnect
wishbone11 has reconnected
wishbone11 has 15 seconds left to act
Sscary: Det A Mac man
wishbone11 folds
*** TURN *** [Ad 5d 2d] [3h]
Sscary: Get a Mac
cromobile bets 30
luckytokenz calls 30
bogie78 has 15 seconds left to act
bogie78 calls 30
*** RIVER *** [Ad 5d 2d 3h] [Jc]
cromobile has 15 seconds left to act
cromobile bets 330
luckytokenz raises to 1,320
bogie78 has 15 seconds left to act
bogie78 has requested TIME
bogie78 calls 1,320
cromobile calls 960, and is all in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
luckytokenz shows [Js Jh] three of a kind, Jacks
bogie78 shows [As 4s] a straight, Five high
bogie78 wins the side pot (60) with a straight, Five high
cromobile shows [Kd 4d] a flush, Ace high
cromobile wins the main pot (4,200) with a flush, Ace high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4,260 Main pot 4,200. Side pot 60. | Rake 0
Board: [Ad 5d 2d 3h Jc]
Seat 1: urnieburn77 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: wishbone11 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: cromobile showed [Kd 4d] and won (4,200) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 5: luckytokenz showed [Js Jh] and lost with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 6: 1bigtuna didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: Old_Tanker didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: Sscary didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: bogie78 (button) showed [As 4s] and won (60) with a straight, Five high
This next one seemed I was beat
Full Tilt Poker Game #8584940409: $1 Rebuy (65316242), Table 19 - 40/80 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:24:52 ET - 2008/10/20
Seat 1: manchuk (1,155)
Seat 2: BoomerS69 (1,916)
Seat 3: lucky101010 (1,880)
Seat 4: sunshinewhereru (3,955)
Seat 5: mAdys (480)
Seat 6: luckytokenz (5,595)
Seat 7: clydiarose04 (14,909)
Seat 8: momofigotthenut (2,900)
Seat 9: jazzyj174 (3,240)
jazzyj174 posts the small blind of 40
manchuk posts the big blind of 80
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to luckytokenz [Jc Jd]
BoomerS69 folds
lucky101010 folds
sunshinewhereru folds
lucky101010: wow
mAdys calls 80
lucky101010: nh
luckytokenz raises to 360
clydiarose04 folds
momofigotthenut calls 360
jazzyj174 folds
manchuk folds
mAdys has 15 seconds left to act
mAdys folds
*** FLOP *** [Kd Th 4c]
luckytokenz has 15 seconds left to act
luckytokenz bets 360
momofigotthenut raises to 2,540, and is all in
luckytokenz folds
Uncalled bet of 2,180 returned to momofigotthenut
momofigotthenut mucks
momofigotthenut wins the pot (1,640)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1,640 | Rake 0
Board: [Kd Th 4c]
Seat 1: manchuk (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: BoomerS69 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: lucky101010 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: sunshinewhereru didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: mAdys folded before the Flop
Seat 6: luckytokenz folded on the Flop
Seat 7: clydiarose04 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: momofigotthenut (button) collected (1,640), mucked
Seat 9: jazzyj174 (small blind) folded before the Flop
This next one seemed like I donked on the turn
Full Tilt Poker Game #12207316596: $2 + $0.25 Rebuy (1r+1a) (91114412), Table 9 - 150/300 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:43:17 ET - 2009/05/13
Seat 1: Starsky5-0 (27,315)
Seat 2: 1P1O1K1E1R1 (19,185)
Seat 3: felelcen (4,390)
Seat 4: hucklebuck25 (9,135)
Seat 5: Endyyyy (4,000)
Seat 6: zator (17,910)
Seat 8: luckytokenz (17,625)
Seat 9: HEY_LOSR (9,110)
Starsky5-0 antes 25
1P1O1K1E1R1 antes 25
felelcen antes 25
hucklebuck25 antes 25
Endyyyy antes 25
zator antes 25
luckytokenz antes 25
HEY_LOSR antes 25
Starsky5-0 posts the small blind of 150
1P1O1K1E1R1 posts the big blind of 300
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to luckytokenz [Qc Qd]
felelcen folds
hucklebuck25 folds
Endyyyy folds
zator folds
luckytokenz raises to 900
Nickb1533 (Observer): that was not a bad beat
Starsky5-0: nick you should come work a day or two when dannys out for surgery
HEY_LOSR calls 900
Starsky5-0: it will be fun
Nickb1533 (Observer): i would love to
Starsky5-0 folds
Nickb1533 (Observer): should i open or close?
1P1O1K1E1R1 has 15 seconds left to act
Nickb1533 (Observer): which is more different than my site?
1P1O1K1E1R1 has timed out
1P1O1K1E1R1 folds
1P1O1K1E1R1 is sitting out
*** FLOP *** [Js 8d Kc]
1P1O1K1E1R1 has returned
Starsky5-0: night and day at evendale
luckytokenz has 15 seconds left to act
luckytokenz bets 2,450
HEY_LOSR calls 2,450
*** TURN *** [Js 8d Kc] [3c]
Starsky5-0: its like a different site at 3:00
luckytokenz bets 14,250, and is all in
HEY_LOSR calls 5,735, and is all in
luckytokenz shows [Qc Qd]
HEY_LOSR shows [8s 8h]
Uncalled bet of 8,515 returned to luckytokenz
*** RIVER *** [Js 8d Kc 3c] [4d]
Nickb1533 (Observer): what do u do at 3?
luckytokenz shows a pair of Queens
HEY_LOSR shows three of a kind, Eights
HEY_LOSR wins the pot (18,820) with three of a kind, Eights
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 18,820 | Rake 0
Board: [Js 8d Kc 3c 4d]
Seat 1: Starsky5-0 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: 1P1O1K1E1R1 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: felelcen folded before the Flop
Seat 4: hucklebuck25 folded before the Flop
Seat 5: Endyyyy folded before the Flop
Seat 6: zator folded before the Flop
Seat 8: luckytokenz showed [Qc Qd] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 9: HEY_LOSR (button) showed [8s 8h] and won (18,820) with three of a kind, Eights
Full Tilt Poker Game #10401414650: $3 + $0.30 Tournament (78536619), Table 7 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:16:12 ET - 2009/02/02
Seat 1: urnieburn77 (1,470)
Seat 3: wishbone11 (550)
Seat 4: cromobile (1,380)
Seat 5: luckytokenz (2,830)
Seat 6: 1bigtuna (1,500)
Seat 7: Old_Tanker (690)
Seat 8: Sscary (1,500)
Seat 9: bogie78 (3,230)
urnieburn77 posts the small blind of 15
wishbone11 posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to luckytokenz [Js Jh]
cromobile calls 30
luckytokenz calls 30
BADASS2410 sits down
BADASS2410 adds 1,470
1bigtuna has 15 seconds left to act
1bigtuna folds
Old_Tanker folds
Sscary folds
wishbone11 has been disconnected
bogie78 has 15 seconds left to act
bogie78 calls 30
urnieburn77 calls 15
wishbone11 has reconnected
wishbone11 has 15 seconds left to act
wishbone11 checks
*** FLOP *** [Ad 5d 2d]
urnieburn77 has 15 seconds left to act
urnieburn77 checks
wishbone11 checks
cromobile bets 30
wishbone11 has been disconnected
luckytokenz calls 30
bogie78 calls 30
urnieburn77 has 15 seconds left to act
urnieburn77 folds
wishbone11 has 15 seconds left to act
wishbone11 has 90 seconds to reconnect
wishbone11 has reconnected
wishbone11 has 15 seconds left to act
Sscary: Det A Mac man
wishbone11 folds
*** TURN *** [Ad 5d 2d] [3h]
Sscary: Get a Mac
cromobile bets 30
luckytokenz calls 30
bogie78 has 15 seconds left to act
bogie78 calls 30
*** RIVER *** [Ad 5d 2d 3h] [Jc]
cromobile has 15 seconds left to act
cromobile bets 330
luckytokenz raises to 1,320
bogie78 has 15 seconds left to act
bogie78 has requested TIME
bogie78 calls 1,320
cromobile calls 960, and is all in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
luckytokenz shows [Js Jh] three of a kind, Jacks
bogie78 shows [As 4s] a straight, Five high
bogie78 wins the side pot (60) with a straight, Five high
cromobile shows [Kd 4d] a flush, Ace high
cromobile wins the main pot (4,200) with a flush, Ace high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4,260 Main pot 4,200. Side pot 60. | Rake 0
Board: [Ad 5d 2d 3h Jc]
Seat 1: urnieburn77 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: wishbone11 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: cromobile showed [Kd 4d] and won (4,200) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 5: luckytokenz showed [Js Jh] and lost with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 6: 1bigtuna didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: Old_Tanker didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: Sscary didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: bogie78 (button) showed [As 4s] and won (60) with a straight, Five high
This next one seemed I was beat
Full Tilt Poker Game #8584940409: $1 Rebuy (65316242), Table 19 - 40/80 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:24:52 ET - 2008/10/20
Seat 1: manchuk (1,155)
Seat 2: BoomerS69 (1,916)
Seat 3: lucky101010 (1,880)
Seat 4: sunshinewhereru (3,955)
Seat 5: mAdys (480)
Seat 6: luckytokenz (5,595)
Seat 7: clydiarose04 (14,909)
Seat 8: momofigotthenut (2,900)
Seat 9: jazzyj174 (3,240)
jazzyj174 posts the small blind of 40
manchuk posts the big blind of 80
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to luckytokenz [Jc Jd]
BoomerS69 folds
lucky101010 folds
sunshinewhereru folds
lucky101010: wow
mAdys calls 80
lucky101010: nh
luckytokenz raises to 360
clydiarose04 folds
momofigotthenut calls 360
jazzyj174 folds
manchuk folds
mAdys has 15 seconds left to act
mAdys folds
*** FLOP *** [Kd Th 4c]
luckytokenz has 15 seconds left to act
luckytokenz bets 360
momofigotthenut raises to 2,540, and is all in
luckytokenz folds
Uncalled bet of 2,180 returned to momofigotthenut
momofigotthenut mucks
momofigotthenut wins the pot (1,640)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1,640 | Rake 0
Board: [Kd Th 4c]
Seat 1: manchuk (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: BoomerS69 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: lucky101010 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: sunshinewhereru didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: mAdys folded before the Flop
Seat 6: luckytokenz folded on the Flop
Seat 7: clydiarose04 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: momofigotthenut (button) collected (1,640), mucked
Seat 9: jazzyj174 (small blind) folded before the Flop
This next one seemed like I donked on the turn
Full Tilt Poker Game #12207316596: $2 + $0.25 Rebuy (1r+1a) (91114412), Table 9 - 150/300 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:43:17 ET - 2009/05/13
Seat 1: Starsky5-0 (27,315)
Seat 2: 1P1O1K1E1R1 (19,185)
Seat 3: felelcen (4,390)
Seat 4: hucklebuck25 (9,135)
Seat 5: Endyyyy (4,000)
Seat 6: zator (17,910)
Seat 8: luckytokenz (17,625)
Seat 9: HEY_LOSR (9,110)
Starsky5-0 antes 25
1P1O1K1E1R1 antes 25
felelcen antes 25
hucklebuck25 antes 25
Endyyyy antes 25
zator antes 25
luckytokenz antes 25
HEY_LOSR antes 25
Starsky5-0 posts the small blind of 150
1P1O1K1E1R1 posts the big blind of 300
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to luckytokenz [Qc Qd]
felelcen folds
hucklebuck25 folds
Endyyyy folds
zator folds
luckytokenz raises to 900
Nickb1533 (Observer): that was not a bad beat
Starsky5-0: nick you should come work a day or two when dannys out for surgery
HEY_LOSR calls 900
Starsky5-0: it will be fun
Nickb1533 (Observer): i would love to
Starsky5-0 folds
Nickb1533 (Observer): should i open or close?
1P1O1K1E1R1 has 15 seconds left to act
Nickb1533 (Observer): which is more different than my site?
1P1O1K1E1R1 has timed out
1P1O1K1E1R1 folds
1P1O1K1E1R1 is sitting out
*** FLOP *** [Js 8d Kc]
1P1O1K1E1R1 has returned
Starsky5-0: night and day at evendale
luckytokenz has 15 seconds left to act
luckytokenz bets 2,450
HEY_LOSR calls 2,450
*** TURN *** [Js 8d Kc] [3c]
Starsky5-0: its like a different site at 3:00
luckytokenz bets 14,250, and is all in
HEY_LOSR calls 5,735, and is all in
luckytokenz shows [Qc Qd]
HEY_LOSR shows [8s 8h]
Uncalled bet of 8,515 returned to luckytokenz
*** RIVER *** [Js 8d Kc 3c] [4d]
Nickb1533 (Observer): what do u do at 3?
luckytokenz shows a pair of Queens
HEY_LOSR shows three of a kind, Eights
HEY_LOSR wins the pot (18,820) with three of a kind, Eights
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 18,820 | Rake 0
Board: [Js 8d Kc 3c 4d]
Seat 1: Starsky5-0 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: 1P1O1K1E1R1 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: felelcen folded before the Flop
Seat 4: hucklebuck25 folded before the Flop
Seat 5: Endyyyy folded before the Flop
Seat 6: zator folded before the Flop
Seat 8: luckytokenz showed [Qc Qd] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 9: HEY_LOSR (button) showed [8s 8h] and won (18,820) with three of a kind, Eights
S93
Legend
Silver Level
Post future hands here https://www.cardschat.com/forum/tournament-hand-analysis-51/.
Convert your hands, i find this to be the best converter http://www.stoxpoker.com/pokertools/handconverter.
Leave out results, they dont matter.
Read this(again) https://www.cardschat.com/f49/wa-wb-concept-76525/ .
Hand 1) Dont cbet that flop. Why do want to turn a hand with showdown value into a bluff?!?! Your not geting called by alot worse so just check and try to see a turn.
2) Push all in prf. As played dont cbet the flop, hope the other guy is willing to check it down since you might very well have the best hand but he isnt callling with a alot of worse one.
By the river your probably priced in.
3)Raise prf. You have the 4/5th best hand in poker. Stop trying to play fancy, u dont need to at the micros just raise 3-4xBB.
On the flop i like the check.
On the turn u have to raise There are a tone of draws out there u can get value from and you want the money in now so not to scare out Ax/2pair when a 3rd spade/4to straight hits the river.
Convert your hands, i find this to be the best converter http://www.stoxpoker.com/pokertools/handconverter.
Leave out results, they dont matter.
Read this(again) https://www.cardschat.com/f49/wa-wb-concept-76525/ .
Hand 1) Dont cbet that flop. Why do want to turn a hand with showdown value into a bluff?!?! Your not geting called by alot worse so just check and try to see a turn.
2) Push all in prf. As played dont cbet the flop, hope the other guy is willing to check it down since you might very well have the best hand but he isnt callling with a alot of worse one.
By the river your probably priced in.
3)Raise prf. You have the 4/5th best hand in poker. Stop trying to play fancy, u dont need to at the micros just raise 3-4xBB.
On the flop i like the check.
On the turn u have to raise There are a tone of draws out there u can get value from and you want the money in now so not to scare out Ax/2pair when a 3rd spade/4to straight hits the river.
S93
Legend
Silver Level
4) Stop limping with JJ!
5)What do u expect him to call/raise the flop with that u have beat? AT/QJ?fine but your only geting one street of value from thouse hands so why not get that street on the turn when you let him leave in the weaker part of his range?
6)-""-
5)What do u expect him to call/raise the flop with that u have beat? AT/QJ?fine but your only geting one street of value from thouse hands so why not get that street on the turn when you let him leave in the weaker part of his range?
6)-""-
W
WiZZiM
Legend
Silver Level
with jacks and queens if there is an ace and a king on board your pair shrinks to a 22 or 33 value, remember that if you have trouble falling in love with high pairs before the flop.
The wa/wb concept post is quite good, basically a little part of small ball..
as for the hands i want to add to hand 4
Full Tilt Poker Game #8584940409: $1 Rebuy (65316242), Table 19 - 40/80 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:24:52 ET - 2008/10/20
Seat 1: manchuk (1,155)
Seat 2: BoomerS69 (1,916)
Seat 3: lucky101010 (1,880)
Seat 4: sunshinewhereru (3,955)
Seat 5: mAdys (480)
Seat 6: luckytokenz (5,595)
Seat 7: clydiarose04 (14,909)
Seat 8: momofigotthenut (2,900)
Seat 9: jazzyj174 (3,240)
jazzyj174 posts the small blind of 40
manchuk posts the big blind of 80
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to luckytokenz [Jc Jd]
BoomerS69 folds
lucky101010 folds
sunshinewhereru folds
lucky101010: wow
mAdys calls 80
lucky101010: nh
luckytokenz raises to 360
clydiarose04 folds
momofigotthenut calls 360
jazzyj174 folds
manchuk folds
mAdys has 15 seconds left to act
mAdys folds
*** FLOP *** [Kd Th 4c]
luckytokenz has 15 seconds left to act
luckytokenz bets 360
momofigotthenut raises to 2,540, and is all in
luckytokenz folds
Uncalled bet of 2,180 returned to momofigotthenut
momofigotthenut mucks
momofigotthenut wins the pot (1,640)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1,640 | Rake 0
Board: [Kd Th 4c]
Seat 1: manchuk (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: BoomerS69 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: lucky101010 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: sunshinewhereru didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: mAdys folded before the Flop
Seat 6: luckytokenz folded on the Flop
Seat 7: clydiarose04 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: momofigotthenut (button) collected (1,640), mucked
Seat 9: jazzyj174 (small blind) folded before the Flop
this is why the wa/wb concept, or "small ball" works so effectively. in this spot you really need to value and respect the positional advantage your opponant has over you. as he has position he could be raising there with a lot of hands, he could be raising figuring you probably dont have a king, he could be raising his king or even ace 10 thinking its the best hand. he could be raising with a small pair trying to move you off your hand.
by checking the flop you take that play away from him, the flop c-bet is like bait to your opponant, Also by checking he may think you are trapping and infact check his ace 10 qj or whatever he holds.
Also another thing once you get a bit more adept at facing these types of situations, you could lower your raise sizing in the latter parts of tourneys. this does a few things..
it keeps the pot smaller which as a good player you like to do for the most part. it will save you money when someone 3-bets you all in. and also it becomes less likely that they will 3-bet you as it doesnt look as tempting as a full 3x or 4x preflop bet. rememeber if they are going to raise you it doesnt really matter how much you bet, so why not save a few $$ in the latter stages. it will also make folding QQ or JJ much easier as you have kept the pot a lot smaller
The wa/wb concept post is quite good, basically a little part of small ball..
as for the hands i want to add to hand 4
Full Tilt Poker Game #8584940409: $1 Rebuy (65316242), Table 19 - 40/80 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:24:52 ET - 2008/10/20
Seat 1: manchuk (1,155)
Seat 2: BoomerS69 (1,916)
Seat 3: lucky101010 (1,880)
Seat 4: sunshinewhereru (3,955)
Seat 5: mAdys (480)
Seat 6: luckytokenz (5,595)
Seat 7: clydiarose04 (14,909)
Seat 8: momofigotthenut (2,900)
Seat 9: jazzyj174 (3,240)
jazzyj174 posts the small blind of 40
manchuk posts the big blind of 80
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to luckytokenz [Jc Jd]
BoomerS69 folds
lucky101010 folds
sunshinewhereru folds
lucky101010: wow
mAdys calls 80
lucky101010: nh
luckytokenz raises to 360
clydiarose04 folds
momofigotthenut calls 360
jazzyj174 folds
manchuk folds
mAdys has 15 seconds left to act
mAdys folds
*** FLOP *** [Kd Th 4c]
luckytokenz has 15 seconds left to act
luckytokenz bets 360
momofigotthenut raises to 2,540, and is all in
luckytokenz folds
Uncalled bet of 2,180 returned to momofigotthenut
momofigotthenut mucks
momofigotthenut wins the pot (1,640)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1,640 | Rake 0
Board: [Kd Th 4c]
Seat 1: manchuk (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: BoomerS69 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: lucky101010 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: sunshinewhereru didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: mAdys folded before the Flop
Seat 6: luckytokenz folded on the Flop
Seat 7: clydiarose04 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: momofigotthenut (button) collected (1,640), mucked
Seat 9: jazzyj174 (small blind) folded before the Flop
this is why the wa/wb concept, or "small ball" works so effectively. in this spot you really need to value and respect the positional advantage your opponant has over you. as he has position he could be raising there with a lot of hands, he could be raising figuring you probably dont have a king, he could be raising his king or even ace 10 thinking its the best hand. he could be raising with a small pair trying to move you off your hand.
by checking the flop you take that play away from him, the flop c-bet is like bait to your opponant, Also by checking he may think you are trapping and infact check his ace 10 qj or whatever he holds.
Also another thing once you get a bit more adept at facing these types of situations, you could lower your raise sizing in the latter parts of tourneys. this does a few things..
it keeps the pot smaller which as a good player you like to do for the most part. it will save you money when someone 3-bets you all in. and also it becomes less likely that they will 3-bet you as it doesnt look as tempting as a full 3x or 4x preflop bet. rememeber if they are going to raise you it doesnt really matter how much you bet, so why not save a few $$ in the latter stages. it will also make folding QQ or JJ much easier as you have kept the pot a lot smaller
W
WiZZiM
Legend
Silver Level
ok sorry i missed the call from seat 5, ok the raise size is ok, a little bit big for my liking, but i understand he/she was very short so the raise isnt so bad. (thought you raised to 360 with blinds at 40/80 in which case my raise size would only be around 200) but in any case the call from the late position player is a strong one and it should put the brakes on you for the most part as he still has position, for me its def check call and reevaluate on the turn. there are cards that if he did have a 10 or a king that he wont like, an ace queen or jack he has to hate and may just slow down even with a king in his hand, as jacks still has a lot of showdown value.
W
WiZZiM
Legend
Silver Level
wow i have to comment on this hand quickly, sorry to be blunt but it has to be said that you played it reall! bad
Full Tilt Poker Game #10401414650: $3 + $0.30 Tournament (78536619), Table 7 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:16:12 ET - 2009/02/02
Seat 1: urnieburn77 (1,470)
Seat 3: wishbone11 (550)
Seat 4: cromobile (1,380)
Seat 5: luckytokenz (2,830)
Seat 6: 1bigtuna (1,500)
Seat 7: Old_Tanker (690)
Seat 8: Sscary (1,500)
Seat 9: bogie78 (3,230)
urnieburn77 posts the small blind of 15
wishbone11 posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to luckytokenz [Js Jh]
cromobile calls 30
luckytokenz calls 30
BADASS2410 sits down
BADASS2410 adds 1,470
1bigtuna has 15 seconds left to act
1bigtuna folds
Old_Tanker folds
Sscary folds
wishbone11 has been disconnected
bogie78 has 15 seconds left to act
bogie78 calls 30
urnieburn77 calls 15
wishbone11 has reconnected
wishbone11 has 15 seconds left to act
wishbone11 checks
*** FLOP *** [Ad 5d 2d]
urnieburn77 has 15 seconds left to act
urnieburn77 checks
wishbone11 checks
cromobile bets 30
wishbone11 has been disconnected
luckytokenz calls 30
bogie78 calls 30
urnieburn77 has 15 seconds left to act
urnieburn77 folds
wishbone11 has 15 seconds left to act
wishbone11 has 90 seconds to reconnect
wishbone11 has reconnected
wishbone11 has 15 seconds left to act
Sscary: Det A Mac man
wishbone11 folds
*** TURN *** [Ad 5d 2d] 3♥
Sscary: Get a Mac
cromobile bets 30
luckytokenz calls 30
bogie78 has 15 seconds left to act
bogie78 calls 30
*** RIVER *** [Ad 5d 2d 3h] J♣
cromobile has 15 seconds left to act
cromobile bets 330
luckytokenz raises to 1,320
bogie78 has 15 seconds left to act
bogie78 has requested TIME
bogie78 calls 1,320
cromobile calls 960, and is all in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
luckytokenz shows [Js Jh] three of a kind, Jacks
bogie78 shows [As 4s] a straight, Five high
bogie78 wins the side pot (60) with a straight, Five high
cromobile shows [Kd 4d] a flush, Ace high
cromobile wins the main pot (4,200) with a flush, Ace high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4,260 Main pot 4,200. Side pot 60. | Rake 0
Board: [Ad 5d 2d 3h Jc]
Seat 1: urnieburn77 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: wishbone11 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: cromobile showed [Kd 4d] and won (4,200) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 5: luckytokenz showed [Js Jh] and lost with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 6: 1bigtuna didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: Old_Tanker didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: Sscary didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: bogie78 (button) showed [As 4s] and won (60) with a straight, Five high
ok so firstly you need to raise after a call preflop in most cases, especially in low buy ins where players will call with a loose range of hands, with a call in front of you, you just allow players to limp with Ace 4 type hands that actually play really well in multiway situations whereas jacks play better heads up.
once that flop hits as far as im concerned im done with the hand, with no jack diamonds your hand has shrunk to nothing, with an ace on board, a load of straight and flush draws, your jacks may be the best hand, but its very unlikely, even if it somehow is the best hand, there are so many cards that you will hate, any king and diamond any 3 any 5 any 4 so since you limped in this is a fold for me on the flop, even with only 30 bet.
the river, that raise was terrible, hugely likely your hand was beat, even though you improoved to trips there are no hands they are going to call with that you have beat, especially in a multiway pot.
it seems to me that you fall in love with big pairs and try to find any excuse to play them hard to the end, even though your likely to be beat.
Full Tilt Poker Game #10401414650: $3 + $0.30 Tournament (78536619), Table 7 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:16:12 ET - 2009/02/02
Seat 1: urnieburn77 (1,470)
Seat 3: wishbone11 (550)
Seat 4: cromobile (1,380)
Seat 5: luckytokenz (2,830)
Seat 6: 1bigtuna (1,500)
Seat 7: Old_Tanker (690)
Seat 8: Sscary (1,500)
Seat 9: bogie78 (3,230)
urnieburn77 posts the small blind of 15
wishbone11 posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to luckytokenz [Js Jh]
cromobile calls 30
luckytokenz calls 30
BADASS2410 sits down
BADASS2410 adds 1,470
1bigtuna has 15 seconds left to act
1bigtuna folds
Old_Tanker folds
Sscary folds
wishbone11 has been disconnected
bogie78 has 15 seconds left to act
bogie78 calls 30
urnieburn77 calls 15
wishbone11 has reconnected
wishbone11 has 15 seconds left to act
wishbone11 checks
*** FLOP *** [Ad 5d 2d]
urnieburn77 has 15 seconds left to act
urnieburn77 checks
wishbone11 checks
cromobile bets 30
wishbone11 has been disconnected
luckytokenz calls 30
bogie78 calls 30
urnieburn77 has 15 seconds left to act
urnieburn77 folds
wishbone11 has 15 seconds left to act
wishbone11 has 90 seconds to reconnect
wishbone11 has reconnected
wishbone11 has 15 seconds left to act
Sscary: Det A Mac man
wishbone11 folds
*** TURN *** [Ad 5d 2d] 3♥
Sscary: Get a Mac
cromobile bets 30
luckytokenz calls 30
bogie78 has 15 seconds left to act
bogie78 calls 30
*** RIVER *** [Ad 5d 2d 3h] J♣
cromobile has 15 seconds left to act
cromobile bets 330
luckytokenz raises to 1,320
bogie78 has 15 seconds left to act
bogie78 has requested TIME
bogie78 calls 1,320
cromobile calls 960, and is all in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
luckytokenz shows [Js Jh] three of a kind, Jacks
bogie78 shows [As 4s] a straight, Five high
bogie78 wins the side pot (60) with a straight, Five high
cromobile shows [Kd 4d] a flush, Ace high
cromobile wins the main pot (4,200) with a flush, Ace high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4,260 Main pot 4,200. Side pot 60. | Rake 0
Board: [Ad 5d 2d 3h Jc]
Seat 1: urnieburn77 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: wishbone11 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: cromobile showed [Kd 4d] and won (4,200) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 5: luckytokenz showed [Js Jh] and lost with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 6: 1bigtuna didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: Old_Tanker didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: Sscary didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: bogie78 (button) showed [As 4s] and won (60) with a straight, Five high
ok so firstly you need to raise after a call preflop in most cases, especially in low buy ins where players will call with a loose range of hands, with a call in front of you, you just allow players to limp with Ace 4 type hands that actually play really well in multiway situations whereas jacks play better heads up.
once that flop hits as far as im concerned im done with the hand, with no jack diamonds your hand has shrunk to nothing, with an ace on board, a load of straight and flush draws, your jacks may be the best hand, but its very unlikely, even if it somehow is the best hand, there are so many cards that you will hate, any king and diamond any 3 any 5 any 4 so since you limped in this is a fold for me on the flop, even with only 30 bet.
the river, that raise was terrible, hugely likely your hand was beat, even though you improoved to trips there are no hands they are going to call with that you have beat, especially in a multiway pot.
it seems to me that you fall in love with big pairs and try to find any excuse to play them hard to the end, even though your likely to be beat.
PattyR
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
imo you dont fold JJ preflop..whether UTG or in the BB...i think you play it..unless your facing a HUGE raise for most of your stack..JJ IS a WINNING hand....so. ...play it
Spiffhalibut
Rising Star
Bronze Level
What to do
A situation such as QQ or JJ is hard to determine in the real world, even more so online when you can't see your opponent. First, where at in the game are you? Early on fold it, later on it depends on how the opponent has been playing and are the cards working with you or with someone else. Chances are that if youve been struggling a bit don't play them, after the flop anyway unless you hit.:joyman:
A situation such as QQ or JJ is hard to determine in the real world, even more so online when you can't see your opponent. First, where at in the game are you? Early on fold it, later on it depends on how the opponent has been playing and are the cards working with you or with someone else. Chances are that if youve been struggling a bit don't play them, after the flop anyway unless you hit.:joyman:
GeorgeCostanza
Enthusiast
Silver Level
Youre assuming too much. You don't know if he has AK or QQ. The range of hands that you'd be raising with PF include AK and AQ just as easily as they include QQ and JJ.
There's a fat chance you'd turn a profit over the long run by using this method due to the fact that if the player that raised PF had AK or AQ, he'd probably bet out once the ace hit, then when you re-raise with your air and the player that bet pushes all in or calls, you're screwed.
And BTW, folding JJ preflop?? NEVER do that. I mean, come on.
K
k11luvsd21
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Worak
Legend
Bronze Level
Fyp - and this is too general / depends on the situation, too.
Surely you want your set to get paid off - but it depends on the structure of the board, your position and the opponents how you need to act (as always blabla)
- sometimes your set will complete a straight, especially when there are Aces, Kings, Queens or Tens on the board - just think about the ranges of opponents you're facing....
There are different ways to get your set paid off - but I think there might be other threads covering this already (..and I'm too tired to search now :icon_sant)