Beanfacekilla
Legend
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AlexTheOwl
Visionary
Silver Level
You are making me miss 1/2. Not that QQ wants 4 callers . . .
Though tbh those kinds of 1/2 games were the exception to the rule here. You make it sound like that's the norm where you are. Is Detroit the 1/2 version of the super-soft backroom games in Asia that Dwan and Ivey supposedly play? I've played a few sessions at FireKeepers and one in Toledo, but none in Detroit.
The forum has been doing weird stuff the last few days. It's OK. We believe you.
Beanfacekilla
Legend
Silver Level
Ha ha ha.
Yeah these games are insane here dude. Not always, but pretty much during the good hours, the hours I play. Splash pots during the week, and friday/Saturday nights.
My boy Norman decided to move here from Cali. He said we are spoiled here in the D.
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AlexTheOwl
Visionary
Silver Level
So what are the possible outcomes?
1. Everybody folds and you win the minimum. Not a disaster, but not desirable.
2. Someone calls with 22-QQ and you are slightly behind. Not a disaster, but not desirable.
3. Someone calls with KK. The house is the only winner.
4. Someone calls with AA or KK. Probably a disaster.
5. Someone calls with LOL. Your equity is anywhere from 60% to 80%
I think #5 has to happen a lot to make this profitable.
Beanfacekilla
Legend
Silver Level
I agree with this. However there is no way to know for sure real time what we are getting called by. I thought there was a chance we get called by worse, and we are flipping otherwise. I don't really like it all that much TBH. But I just thought it might be best play given this table is literally calling ATC for absurd amounts pre.
What is strange is when you finally start stacking people, then everyone nits up and plays super exploitable fit or fold, see flop first poker. Like they fear you when you're winning, and when you are losing, they just call call call. Nothing changed. I'm still play8ng same cards, same way, we are just bricking every board, giving up alot, etc.
Jillychemung
Stacks & Stacks
Loyaler
Beanfacekilla
Legend
Silver Level
FWIW that sexy chip porn rendered just fine using the CC app on my Ipad-mini
Strange. I still can't see it.
Beanfacekilla
Legend
Silver Level
Alright...... Here is a bunch of hands. I'm off tomorrow, so I'm gonna type up a bunch of stuff right now.
I am unhappy with two hands. One was the As-Ks open jam for $202 UTG.
The other was this hand......
Hand 1:
We are UTG2 or MP1. We have Ad-10d. We cover everyone, we are about 650 in chips, and we are in for $700.
So, it is a BTN straddle, for $5.
One limper.
We look at Ad-10d.
This is still the point where all these people are just calling everything pre, and we have a losing image. I'm not even going to try to get it HU, because I would probably have to raise to $60 or some absurd amount.
We raise to $20. Gonna see a flop.
we get 6 callers. 7w to flop, and we are 2nd or 3rd in the line postflop.
Flop: Jd-7d-3c. ($140)
Checks to us.
At this point, I am probably looking to C/R. I was asking about this hand earlier, and I didn't get too much feedback just yet....
So, we check.
MP2 checks.
HJ bets $100. He is the deepest of all stacks involved. He has about $375 total on the flop, $275 more.
The rest of stacks range from 300 tops to 150 lowest.
Action folds to us. We have one guy in between us and HJ. He is 150 stack.
HJ hasn't been here too long. I feel like A-J and K-J are both possible, and perhaps sets, perhaps just Jx. Not sure, but I feel I must have some FE.
So, after a little deliberation, I do consider calling and re-assess turn, but do we get paid if we drill it? Can we jam here and maybe get folds sometimes? Not to mention, calling and folding turn is like getting 2.4 to 1 on an 18% ish shot at 1 card to hit, and he may shut down, we OOP, can we just donk turn with nuts? Not really, then he checks back, another diamond river, etc. Yuck. I'd rather just see turn+river and have some FE.
I think I may have some FE, and we do have draw to nuts as well.
We move in, we cover.
MP2 tanks for some reason, he has $20 in this pot.
He finally folds.
HJ calls fast. ohhhhhh.
Do the results matter? Maybe. Don't look at spoiler if you don't want to know them.
Hand 2:
We are CO.
We have As-Js.
Three limpers.
We raise to $20.
We get 2 callers, we are IP.
Flop: Ac-10c-7c ($60)
Checks to us.
we bet $40.
UTG limper calls, other guy folds. He doesn't check his hole cards for club.
Now, at this point, I am thinking he has A-K or A-Q. This guy is pretty tight, and we prob have the loser now. We will be shutting her down on the turn.
Ac-10c-7c.......Turn Jd. ($140)
Checks.....
Hold on a minute, the plan has changed. Now we have top 2, yeah we ahead now.
So, we bet $100.
Old dude tanks, he's thinking. I'm watching him the whole time.
He finally decides, and he moves in for $228.
We look at him. There is something there, like a mini shoulder-shrug, not the kind of confidence one would have with nut straight or flush. I feel pretty confident we have the best hand.
I don't snap, but I feel this guy has A-K exactly, with/without a club.
We finally call the bet, after maybe 45 seconds of thought.
Ac-10c-7c-Jd........river 6c. ($596)
Don't read spoiler until you've thought about hand, whatever.
Hand 3:
We have Ah-Kh. One loose UTG limper, we are EP.
W raise to $20.
BTN and SB call. SB is old man from hand 2.
3w Flop: Ax-5c-7x rainbow. ($60)
Here it is, WA/WB.
So, we are targeting inferior aces and loose peels.
We bet $35.
BTN tanks a little, and calls. We are watching him, he doesn't know we are watching him. Guy is a tell box man, for real. He looks like "man i don't know about this shit." and calls. I feel it is genuine tell, not mind ****.
SB folds.
HU to turn: Ax-5c-7x.......8c. ($130)
Now, I feel this guy has about A-10~A-Q here. Very confident in read. I consider he could have clubs as well. If he raises, it's gonna be 6-4 or A-8.
We bet $70.
He tanks a while, does the tell box thing some more, and calls. He looks very unsure. He has about $80 back. Maybe I should have shoved, but I don't know if he calls unless he has Ac-Xc exactly.
Anyways, I think river slam dunk shove, and we expect dude to call off, cause he is so committed now.
Ax-5c-7x-8c.........river 2h. ($270)
We shove, $80 ish effective.
Dude tanks. He is holding his cards, his neighbor can see them. We can't.
Hand 4:
We are UTG2.
BTN straddle for $5.
Folds to UTG. He raises to $20.
This guy has a legit hand. He limps alot. He is about $375-$400 deep starting hand.
We look at Kd-Kh. We have been extremely aggro. But they don't know, we have been playing really really tight. So we have active image, not alot of showdowns.
We 3b to $80.
UTG will not fold, and he will prob 4b AA only, in my humble opinion. They just don't fold man.
So, folds to UTG. He tanks a while, and finally flats.
Here we go, HU to a flop.
Flop: Qd-5d-4h. ($160)
Checks.
The plan is to bet. If he goes crazy and raises or moves in, we have to fold probably. This is based on in game dynamics, and what I've seen him do so far.
So, we do tank a little bit, and we finally settle on a bet size, we bet $125.
Dude tanks. Looks kinda like he tasted something bad.
He finally says "call" and puts in the monies.
Qd-5d-4h........turn 2s. ($410)
Dude checks.
We have him on the ropes. I feel like he has EXACTLY A-Q.
We announce "All in" calmly. We place 12 green chips over the line. Dude has like 175-200.
He really goes into the tank.
He says finally "Man I feel like you have kings or aces."
"Man is an ace even good if I hit?"
"I dunno if I can fold top pair here."
"Do you have a flush draw?"
"I think I'm gonna have to go to the ATM, might have to...."
tanking.
call. call. call. call. calllllllllllllll, I'm thinking real-time.
We stay quiet. we don't say anything. We just shuffle chips in left hand, caging cards in right hand. Patient. Calm. We got this guy. He is gonna call. He's gonna call.
Finally.....
"I call." He says with a sigh.
I hope the line doesn't break. We got a whopper here. Hold on man......
Last one......
Hand 5:
We are UTG. We cover everyone. Game has changed now. People seem to fear us now, and they have tightened up their preflop lol calls.
We have JJ.
We have been active, but we've been tight, but they don't know that....
We raise to $15.
Two callers.
Flop Q-7-4r. ($45)
We cbet $27.
I am unhappy with two hands. One was the As-Ks open jam for $202 UTG.
The other was this hand......
Hand 1:
We are UTG2 or MP1. We have Ad-10d. We cover everyone, we are about 650 in chips, and we are in for $700.
So, it is a BTN straddle, for $5.
One limper.
We look at Ad-10d.
This is still the point where all these people are just calling everything pre, and we have a losing image. I'm not even going to try to get it HU, because I would probably have to raise to $60 or some absurd amount.
We raise to $20. Gonna see a flop.
we get 6 callers. 7w to flop, and we are 2nd or 3rd in the line postflop.
Flop: Jd-7d-3c. ($140)
Checks to us.
At this point, I am probably looking to C/R. I was asking about this hand earlier, and I didn't get too much feedback just yet....
So, we check.
MP2 checks.
HJ bets $100. He is the deepest of all stacks involved. He has about $375 total on the flop, $275 more.
The rest of stacks range from 300 tops to 150 lowest.
Action folds to us. We have one guy in between us and HJ. He is 150 stack.
HJ hasn't been here too long. I feel like A-J and K-J are both possible, and perhaps sets, perhaps just Jx. Not sure, but I feel I must have some FE.
So, after a little deliberation, I do consider calling and re-assess turn, but do we get paid if we drill it? Can we jam here and maybe get folds sometimes? Not to mention, calling and folding turn is like getting 2.4 to 1 on an 18% ish shot at 1 card to hit, and he may shut down, we OOP, can we just donk turn with nuts? Not really, then he checks back, another diamond river, etc. Yuck. I'd rather just see turn+river and have some FE.
I think I may have some FE, and we do have draw to nuts as well.
We move in, we cover.
MP2 tanks for some reason, he has $20 in this pot.
He finally folds.
HJ calls fast. ohhhhhh.
Do the results matter? Maybe. Don't look at spoiler if you don't want to know them.
Jd-7d-3c.....turn 5h.......river 2d. We roll our hand immediately, dude is soul crushed and rolls 3-3. We sucked out pretty bad there. Misread, and I thought I had FE. WTF was I thinking. let me have it.
Hand 2:
We are CO.
We have As-Js.
Three limpers.
We raise to $20.
We get 2 callers, we are IP.
Flop: Ac-10c-7c ($60)
Checks to us.
we bet $40.
UTG limper calls, other guy folds. He doesn't check his hole cards for club.
Now, at this point, I am thinking he has A-K or A-Q. This guy is pretty tight, and we prob have the loser now. We will be shutting her down on the turn.
Ac-10c-7c.......Turn Jd. ($140)
Checks.....
Hold on a minute, the plan has changed. Now we have top 2, yeah we ahead now.
So, we bet $100.
Old dude tanks, he's thinking. I'm watching him the whole time.
He finally decides, and he moves in for $228.
We look at him. There is something there, like a mini shoulder-shrug, not the kind of confidence one would have with nut straight or flush. I feel pretty confident we have the best hand.
I don't snap, but I feel this guy has A-K exactly, with/without a club.
We finally call the bet, after maybe 45 seconds of thought.
Ac-10c-7c-Jd........river 6c. ($596)
Don't read spoiler until you've thought about hand, whatever.
Dude announces "Ace king." He doesn't have a club. We scoop it.
Hand 3:
We have Ah-Kh. One loose UTG limper, we are EP.
W raise to $20.
BTN and SB call. SB is old man from hand 2.
3w Flop: Ax-5c-7x rainbow. ($60)
Here it is, WA/WB.
So, we are targeting inferior aces and loose peels.
We bet $35.
BTN tanks a little, and calls. We are watching him, he doesn't know we are watching him. Guy is a tell box man, for real. He looks like "man i don't know about this shit." and calls. I feel it is genuine tell, not mind ****.
SB folds.
HU to turn: Ax-5c-7x.......8c. ($130)
Now, I feel this guy has about A-10~A-Q here. Very confident in read. I consider he could have clubs as well. If he raises, it's gonna be 6-4 or A-8.
We bet $70.
He tanks a while, does the tell box thing some more, and calls. He looks very unsure. He has about $80 back. Maybe I should have shoved, but I don't know if he calls unless he has Ac-Xc exactly.
Anyways, I think river slam dunk shove, and we expect dude to call off, cause he is so committed now.
Ax-5c-7x-8c.........river 2h. ($270)
We shove, $80 ish effective.
Dude tanks. He is holding his cards, his neighbor can see them. We can't.
He folds. Says he had Ac-Jc.
Hand 4:
We are UTG2.
BTN straddle for $5.
Folds to UTG. He raises to $20.
This guy has a legit hand. He limps alot. He is about $375-$400 deep starting hand.
We look at Kd-Kh. We have been extremely aggro. But they don't know, we have been playing really really tight. So we have active image, not alot of showdowns.
We 3b to $80.
UTG will not fold, and he will prob 4b AA only, in my humble opinion. They just don't fold man.
So, folds to UTG. He tanks a while, and finally flats.
Here we go, HU to a flop.
Flop: Qd-5d-4h. ($160)
Checks.
The plan is to bet. If he goes crazy and raises or moves in, we have to fold probably. This is based on in game dynamics, and what I've seen him do so far.
So, we do tank a little bit, and we finally settle on a bet size, we bet $125.
Dude tanks. Looks kinda like he tasted something bad.
He finally says "call" and puts in the monies.
Qd-5d-4h........turn 2s. ($410)
Dude checks.
We have him on the ropes. I feel like he has EXACTLY A-Q.
We announce "All in" calmly. We place 12 green chips over the line. Dude has like 175-200.
He really goes into the tank.
He says finally "Man I feel like you have kings or aces."
"Man is an ace even good if I hit?"
"I dunno if I can fold top pair here."
"Do you have a flush draw?"
"I think I'm gonna have to go to the ATM, might have to...."
tanking.
call. call. call. call. calllllllllllllll, I'm thinking real-time.
We stay quiet. we don't say anything. We just shuffle chips in left hand, caging cards in right hand. Patient. Calm. We got this guy. He is gonna call. He's gonna call.
Finally.....
"I call." He says with a sigh.
I hope the line doesn't break. We got a whopper here. Hold on man......
Qd-5d-4h-2s..........river 2h. We roll hand immediately. Dude says "I knew it too." He sighs, shakes his head, tables Ac-Qc. We scoop.
Last one......
Hand 5:
We are UTG. We cover everyone. Game has changed now. People seem to fear us now, and they have tightened up their preflop lol calls.
We have JJ.
We have been active, but we've been tight, but they don't know that....
We raise to $15.
Two callers.
Flop Q-7-4r. ($45)
We cbet $27.
Both fold, snap fold.
Beanfacekilla
Legend
Silver Level
Oh yeah, officially, the lol hand of the night.
We have 9-9, in the BB.
There is some whale UTG 1 doing all sorts of exotic shit man.
BTN straddle.
SB limps.
We limp, so we can't get blown off this hand....
UTG raises to $15, spec sizing, he isn't that strong, bet size tells....
UTG1 whale 3b to $30.
Folds to us.
We call.
UTG calls.
Flop 8-4-5r ($90)
Checks to whale.
He bets $40.
Station doesn't quite capture it. This guy is special dude.
We C/R to $100. Whale has nothing, he will call too. Over cards, gutters, whatever dude this guy seeing river. Real time thoughts.
UTG folds.
Whale tanks, and calls.
8-5-4r......turn Jh, two hearts. ($290)
We tank a little tiny bit. I finally decide i am shoving, to spite this shitty turn. He still has a wide range, he is still a station. We are ahead. If i'm wrong, I guess we are going to cage. I feel very confident with read though. We shoving for value.
Shove is about $180
Dude tanks, tanks, tanks, and then says "Call." He doesn't even put the money in. Just verbal.
8-5-4-Jh.......river Jd.
"That's a good one!" I think to myself.
Lets face the music. We snap roll over hand.
Dude looks at it, looks at it, and finally just opens up A-6o, no heart.
I say to him "dude you got some balls man!"
and then "Dude nothing personal but if you hit an ace on the river I probably have to slap you with a chip tray a few times bro."
Laughs all around table, including V.
We have 9-9, in the BB.
There is some whale UTG 1 doing all sorts of exotic shit man.
BTN straddle.
SB limps.
We limp, so we can't get blown off this hand....
UTG raises to $15, spec sizing, he isn't that strong, bet size tells....
UTG1 whale 3b to $30.
Folds to us.
We call.
UTG calls.
Flop 8-4-5r ($90)
Checks to whale.
He bets $40.
Station doesn't quite capture it. This guy is special dude.
We C/R to $100. Whale has nothing, he will call too. Over cards, gutters, whatever dude this guy seeing river. Real time thoughts.
UTG folds.
Whale tanks, and calls.
8-5-4r......turn Jh, two hearts. ($290)
We tank a little tiny bit. I finally decide i am shoving, to spite this shitty turn. He still has a wide range, he is still a station. We are ahead. If i'm wrong, I guess we are going to cage. I feel very confident with read though. We shoving for value.
Shove is about $180
Dude tanks, tanks, tanks, and then says "Call." He doesn't even put the money in. Just verbal.
8-5-4-Jh.......river Jd.
"That's a good one!" I think to myself.
Lets face the music. We snap roll over hand.
Dude looks at it, looks at it, and finally just opens up A-6o, no heart.
I say to him "dude you got some balls man!"
and then "Dude nothing personal but if you hit an ace on the river I probably have to slap you with a chip tray a few times bro."
Laughs all around table, including V.
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AlexTheOwl
Visionary
Silver Level
You are probably behind - one of these players has probably made a hand - but you have overs and a draw to the nuts.
Somehow there are more players in this raised pot than there are in some entire zip codes in Detroit, if I can believe what I read in the news. So folding to raises doesn't seem to be on anyone's mind, meaning your fold equity is limited.
Probably behind, against multiple opponents, and with limited fold equity, I check, but my instinct is not to c/r here.
No doubt you have some, but there was a guy in this thread that was just telling us that people have been calling with all kinds of garbage. That guy was you.
I've been joking a bit about how often these players are calling, but you have so much equity and there is so much money in the middle already, relative to stack sizes, that I actually like the play.
If I put you against a single opponent with a range of {J9,JT,QJ,KJ,AJ,JJ+,77,33} your equity is 42%.
If I use this calculator:
https://redchippoker.com/fold-equity-calculator/
With a pot of 240, an amount to call of 100, an effective amount to shove of 275, and 42% equity, it shows a shove is always +EV even if the opponent never folds.
That doesn't mean that it is necessarily the most +EV play. And you have more than one opponent. So the decision is not as simple as plugging in the numbers.
But with all that EV even if there was no FE, I think it's fair to say that you need very little FE to make the shove the best move. Especially since you will have two streets to make your flush and are guaranteed to get paid if you make the best hand.
WP.
duggs
Killing me softly
Silver Level
1. Just because we got called doesnt mean we didnt have fold equity. I prefer a x/c tho.
2. AJ a bit gross but def not folding. I wouldnt be saying we are toast neccessarily, but my planwould be to x blank turns and bet if checked to on good rivers.
3. bit bigger on the flop would allow us to shove on the turn.
4. def a bet/fold on the flop, QQ raises, everything else calls. nh
5. JJ looks fine to me, probably checking v 3 people and def betting v 1. little unsure how to build our ranges here but a bet looks fine to me
2. AJ a bit gross but def not folding. I wouldnt be saying we are toast neccessarily, but my planwould be to x blank turns and bet if checked to on good rivers.
3. bit bigger on the flop would allow us to shove on the turn.
4. def a bet/fold on the flop, QQ raises, everything else calls. nh
5. JJ looks fine to me, probably checking v 3 people and def betting v 1. little unsure how to build our ranges here but a bet looks fine to me
Beanfacekilla
Legend
Silver Level
#3, I think I'm scarred for life from this hand where we lost our face off a month and a half ago.
It still haunts me.
Here is short abbreviated history.
2. EP ($600 or so) Ah-Kh. Crazy loose table. Straddle. We raise to $35, 3 callers. Flop As-8s-2d. One person checks to us, we bet $90 into $140, loose guy calls, others fold. Turn 5d. We look at dude's stack, he has about $285. We shove, two flush draws, inferior aces, etc. I don't see any other bet size, as we would be left with tiny stack on river. Snap calls. River don't remember. I think this guy would hang on with FD. We show, dude shows 2-2 and scoops. (-$410)
It still haunts me.
Here is short abbreviated history.
2. EP ($600 or so) Ah-Kh. Crazy loose table. Straddle. We raise to $35, 3 callers. Flop As-8s-2d. One person checks to us, we bet $90 into $140, loose guy calls, others fold. Turn 5d. We look at dude's stack, he has about $285. We shove, two flush draws, inferior aces, etc. I don't see any other bet size, as we would be left with tiny stack on river. Snap calls. River don't remember. I think this guy would hang on with FD. We show, dude shows 2-2 and scoops. (-$410)
duggs
Killing me softly
Silver Level
thats going to happen, but you also stack him with AQ AJ AT etc far more often
Beanfacekilla
Legend
Silver Level
Yeah I think hand is fairly standard. Just yuck. It still creeps into my mind at the table once in a while. Gotta get over it though.
Figaroo2
Legend
Bronze Level
Hand 1 AdTd
Remember what Miller said in 'The Course' about bets of $100 or bigger at 1/2.....rarely bluffs and This is into 7 players, imo he's playing for stacks and never folding. As you have the NFD and he can't be open ended with a monster draw it's almost certainly AJ, a set or a smaller FD.
2pair looks unlikely on that flop even 7 handed.
imo you have almost no fold equity at all after he bets 100 here.
I reckon you have about 40% against his range.
But you don't know what's going to happen behind you if you call, there may be a chain of others lured in by the size of the pot, then you have all the odds you need and a hand capable of winning a super big pot.
Remember what Miller said in 'The Course' about bets of $100 or bigger at 1/2.....rarely bluffs and This is into 7 players, imo he's playing for stacks and never folding. As you have the NFD and he can't be open ended with a monster draw it's almost certainly AJ, a set or a smaller FD.
2pair looks unlikely on that flop even 7 handed.
imo you have almost no fold equity at all after he bets 100 here.
I reckon you have about 40% against his range.
But you don't know what's going to happen behind you if you call, there may be a chain of others lured in by the size of the pot, then you have all the odds you need and a hand capable of winning a super big pot.
Beanfacekilla
Legend
Silver Level
The way we played it, by checking, he bet, and folded out 4 of the villains for us. There was only one guy left when we faced decision to call, or ship, and guy left had 150 ish.
Truthfully, the reason I hated the hand was because I knew in my gut the guy had a big hand and he wasn't folding, but my other side of brain, like the logical side thought we are doing well against range, fist pump get it in.
I knew though. Good point about the bet size here. He was unknown to me mostly. I think it's fair say though that he would do this with solid TP hands, and that's what made me think real time I might have some fold equity, at least a little.
It was like instinct vs whatever.
I suppose if he ever calls off 275 more with 1p, and he doesn't fold, I guess I don't mind getting it in then. But my gut told me he had better than 1p, and I still just hauled it anyway.
I thought it's super risky, super high variance, but would yield a huge pot if we sucked out. I guess I'm a bit of a degen, lol.
Jacki Burkhart
long winded rambler...
Silver Level
very entertaining! I like reading your thought process and your lol descriptions of your table mates
some thoughts:
Not a fan of the AKs 101bb jam. Just make your normal raise and play your post flop edge. it's ok to fold AK on uncooperative flops vs fish. We don't WANT AK to go multiway...but also we're sitting at this fishy splashy table for a reason and that's part of taking the bad with the good. By jamming you're most likely risking max to win the blinds, or flip where you're splitting up $3 equity (less after rake).
AdTd. I think that if you already made a plan to c/r then you should stick with it. BUT....if in real time you were just hoping to get a free card or call a tiny bet and then didn't know what to do when facing a BIG bet so maybe you talked yourself into the c/r as a backup plan...if that's the case (I know I've done this) then that's just throwing good money after poor planning.
As we know big bets from these guys means big hands. personally... I would have Cbet small both naming my price on my draw and building a pot for when I hit. Also, depending on who calls and my reads I'm potentially jamming many turns esp if I pick up any kind of equity. If I Cbet small and get raised I'll re-assess based on opponent, stack size etc but I'll have a pretty damned good idea of where I stand. It might just be my local flavor of $1/2 games but I find these fish will frequently peel flops very wide and overfold a ton of turns to any significant bet sizes (unless they've got a hand they clearly view as a winning hand...whatever that means to them).
As played, however facing that big bet, without a clear plan I think I actually just fold (though it admittedly feels gross). We don't have much invested and he's telling us he's very strong.
some thoughts:
Not a fan of the AKs 101bb jam. Just make your normal raise and play your post flop edge. it's ok to fold AK on uncooperative flops vs fish. We don't WANT AK to go multiway...but also we're sitting at this fishy splashy table for a reason and that's part of taking the bad with the good. By jamming you're most likely risking max to win the blinds, or flip where you're splitting up $3 equity (less after rake).
AdTd. I think that if you already made a plan to c/r then you should stick with it. BUT....if in real time you were just hoping to get a free card or call a tiny bet and then didn't know what to do when facing a BIG bet so maybe you talked yourself into the c/r as a backup plan...if that's the case (I know I've done this) then that's just throwing good money after poor planning.
As we know big bets from these guys means big hands. personally... I would have Cbet small both naming my price on my draw and building a pot for when I hit. Also, depending on who calls and my reads I'm potentially jamming many turns esp if I pick up any kind of equity. If I Cbet small and get raised I'll re-assess based on opponent, stack size etc but I'll have a pretty damned good idea of where I stand. It might just be my local flavor of $1/2 games but I find these fish will frequently peel flops very wide and overfold a ton of turns to any significant bet sizes (unless they've got a hand they clearly view as a winning hand...whatever that means to them).
As played, however facing that big bet, without a clear plan I think I actually just fold (though it admittedly feels gross). We don't have much invested and he's telling us he's very strong.
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Matt Vaughan
King of Moody Rants
Bronze Level
Very difficult for me to keep up with this thread when I only check CC once every 1-3 days, but re wives/girlfriends/partners and poker:
My girlfriend truly supports me, and finds it "cool" when I do well or final table a tournament or play on a live stream. She understands very little about poker aside from the rules but she's getting accustomed to some (SOME) jargon such that I can give her an idea of how things are going without telling her nitty gritty of hands (or numbers).
I think it's best to keep win/loss numbers out of it if at all possible as it can introduce expectations and unwanted stress.
I don't feel any need to teach her how to play, and she doesn't have a strong interest. However I'm not exactly opposed to the idea either and I don't think there's any issue with having a partner that can comment on your hand reviews haha.
In the end it's about what works for you and your partner, so this is all kind of me-centric but that's my perspective.
My girlfriend truly supports me, and finds it "cool" when I do well or final table a tournament or play on a live stream. She understands very little about poker aside from the rules but she's getting accustomed to some (SOME) jargon such that I can give her an idea of how things are going without telling her nitty gritty of hands (or numbers).
I think it's best to keep win/loss numbers out of it if at all possible as it can introduce expectations and unwanted stress.
I don't feel any need to teach her how to play, and she doesn't have a strong interest. However I'm not exactly opposed to the idea either and I don't think there's any issue with having a partner that can comment on your hand reviews haha.
In the end it's about what works for you and your partner, so this is all kind of me-centric but that's my perspective.
Beanfacekilla
Legend
Silver Level
Thanks for the thoughts Jacki!
Yeah I had planned on C/R getting it in there, but yeah, he just has the nuts basically. Felt kinda dumb just shoveling chips into the pot and sucking out so bad.
Dude wasn't very happy at all.
Beanfacekilla
Legend
Silver Level
Always glad to hear from you! I know how busy you've been.
Dude, I really like your V-log BTW. I actually briefly considering doing a little something as well, bu5 I don't think I could ever do it well, so just no.
Really enjoyed the LATB sesh man. Congrats you killed it!