Bean's New Cash Game Thread!

[Beanfacekilla]

One more I remember from yesterday.....



K-Qo. UTG2


UTG limps. This is dude from the KK hand vs AQ.

So he limp/calls napkins.


We raise to $15, to ISO.

We are getting tons of folds pre, because we are so deep and frankly I think people are scared to g3t involved with out super strong hands, so anyway....

Folds to UTG, he calls.

HU to flop K-8-5r. ($34)

Checks.

We bet $16.

Calls, after slight hesitation.

K-8-5r......turn 7c, putting two clubs on board.

UTG donks for $20.

We raise to $70. I think he has some 6x, possibly a FD, and I want to charge him for this.

He tanks, and calls.

K-8-5-7cc.......river 5x. ($174)

Checks.

H? I think we should take showdown here? He has maybe 150 back?

 

[Jacki Burkhart]

I think I'd bet about $55 and fold to his shove.

basically targeting A8, 68, 67, K9-KJ

 

[Beanfacekilla]

I think I'd bet about $55 and fold to his shove.

basically targeting A8, 68, 67, K9-KJ

The bet fold option is very useful at the 1/2 level. Like 99% of the player pool are incapable of being out of line and exploiting us.

However, on the other hand, I sometimes think of hands based on how many streets of value I can get. Obviously this changes based on run outs and what not....

I think I could be missing a bunch of thin value here and there.


I think I like your suggestion.

 

[duggs]

im just jamming tbh, no idea if that is a leak or not

 

[Beanfacekilla]

We are here. One table running, and we are on it. The game is pretty good too!

We are stuck $143 already, and we've been here 30 mins.

Not worried at all. We are going to be stacking chips very soon if we play well and run ok.



Weeeeeeeeee!

 

[Beanfacekilla]

im just jamming tbh, no idea if that is a leak or not

Man, I'm not sure about this. It could be valid.... our hand would look so strong to V I think we possibly value own ourselves if we get a call?

 

[duggs]

are you bluff jamming this river heaps then?

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Just played this one.....




6. BB ($300) A-Jo. MP loose guy raises to $6, 2c. We 3b to $45, loose opener calls, super fish old man calls. Flop 3-3-2ss. We don't have a spade. We bet $90, MP calls, super fish folds. Turn Kd. We jam, $111 effective. I think he either has mid PP or suited trash. He tanks, and calls. River 10s. We show hand. Dude shows Qs-6s. He hit. (-$246)


After the hand V has an attack of ego and declares to everyone he ain't scurred. Lol. We are going to punish this guy very soon hopefully.

Now we stuck more.


This game is gooooooooood guys.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

are you bluff jamming this river heaps then?

I don't bluff jam river too often live, maybe I could. They just call so much man it's too risky IMO. I know this kind of contradicts when I say I want to check back river here, but that's how I feel.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

I'm playing tight. Raising to ISO with a very tight range, super fish in every pot. He is hitting too. I'm playing well, getting away, and not paying off anything. Things are gonna turn real soon.


We stuck 475. Day is off to a rough start. We could get it back in two hands though. We are like a sleeping beast in the bushes waiting to pop out and pounce on the prey. Roar.




Need some flops.

Edit: checked pocket. Stuck 494. Yay.

 

[starting_at_the_bottom]

Really enjoying this thread.

I wish I could play more live poker.

Do you have a long drive to the room?

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Really enjoying this thread.

I wish I could play more live poker.

Do you have a long drive to the room?

Thanks man! Glad you like it!


45 mins.


Super fish left and literally broke the game dude. We were 5 handed, all table were full, and we are sitting with nits.

-$587 round 1.



Going to lunch with good friend.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Me and my friend are lol right now about super fish. We are in the car just giggling like girls dude.



super fish 1
Us........zip.

 

[Jacki Burkhart]

The bet fold option is very useful at the 1/2 level. Like 99% of the player pool are incapable of being out of line and exploiting us.

However, on the other hand, I sometimes think of hands based on how many streets of value I can get. Obviously this changes based on run outs and what not....

I think I could be missing a bunch of thin value here and there.


I think I like your suggestion.

im just jamming tbh, no idea if that is a leak or not

Man, I'm not sure about this. It could be valid.... our hand would look so strong to V I think we possibly value own ourselves if we get a call?

If I bothered to do the math, I think we'd find that shoving KQ here is +EV

the pros are that you get full value from Kx and you balance your range for river bluffs in future

the cons are that you won't probably get any value from 8x or 7x which (IMO) is most of his range since we block Kx and based on description villain seems unsure and weak on turn.

another con is that whenever he has a hand like A5, 56, 78 or K7 or 77 we get value owned

I think (if I bothered to do the math) that we'd find the $55 bet (or something in that range of $50-80) is more +EV

pros: we get "shrug" calls from pretty much any small 1 pair hands and maybe even some A hi. I think there is something psychological (esp at live) about calling a river bet that is smaller than the turn bet. people feel dumb to fold for such a small bet and because it's live they want to save face. (maybe it's just vs me cuz I'm a girl)

another pro: if we believe they're incapable of bluffing rivers then we lose less the times we're beat. also, I don't really think it's that important to be balanced in live $1/2 esp in river spots. its all about exploiting and I think this is how you exploit players who call too much and have zero river bluff range.

the cons: we fail to extract max value in some spots (esp when he has Kx or possibly A8)

another con: we open ourself up to be river bluffed, and we aren't protecting and balancing our river ranges (again, I think this matters in tougher games but not $1/2).

another possible con: if our plan is to bet/fold what if villain overvalued and shoved a hand like KJ and he accidentally bluffed us? This is a situation of know thy customer cuz the games I play in dudes will not ever shove KJ here. They'll even just call a small bet on river or check back river when they have the nut straight but a BDFD comes in on river....they aren't really too concerned with getting full value on their strong hands, but more concerned with NOT getting bluffed and NOT losing when they have the 2nd best hand. that's my experience anyways.

interesting discussion! I like this stuff. keep it coming!

 

[Beanfacekilla]

If I bothered to do the math, I think we'd find that shoving KQ here is +EV

the pros are that you get full value from Kx and you balance your range for river bluffs in future

the cons are that you won't probably get any value from 8x or 7x which (IMO) is most of his range since we block Kx and based on description villain seems unsure and weak on turn.

another con is that whenever he has a hand like A5, 56, 78 or K7 or 77 we get value owned

I think (if I bothered to do the math) that we'd find the $55 bet (or something in that range of $50-80) is more +EV

pros: we get "shrug" calls from pretty much any small 1 pair hands and maybe even some A hi. I think there is something psychological (esp at live) about calling a river bet that is smaller than the turn bet. people feel dumb to fold for such a small bet and because it's live they want to save face. (maybe it's just vs me cuz I'm a girl)

another pro: if we believe they're incapable of bluffing rivers then we lose less the times we're beat. also, I don't really think it's that important to be balanced in live $1/2 esp in river spots. its all about exploiting and I think this is how you exploit players who call too much and have zero river bluff range.

the cons: we fail to extract max value in some spots (esp when he has Kx or possibly A8)

another con: we open ourself up to be river bluffed, and we aren't protecting and balancing our river ranges (again, I think this matters in tougher games but not $1/2).

another possible con: if our plan is to bet/fold what if villain overvalued and shoved a hand like KJ and he accidentally bluffed us? This is a situation of know thy customer cuz the games I play in dudes will not ever shove KJ here. They'll even just call a small bet on river or check back river when they have the nut straight but a BDFD comes in on river....they aren't really too concerned with getting full value on their strong hands, but more concerned with NOT getting bluffed and NOT losing when they have the 2nd best hand. that's my experience anyways.

interesting discussion! I like this stuff. keep it coming!

I think I am def leaning towards betting like 55 or whatever here. I feel like it's better all around. Villain types and etc though sometimes shovingnis good too depending on reads/dynamics.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Alright..... Here we go for round 2. Forgot to call in. Hope we get seated quickly.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Should have called. Sigh.


It's whatever we will get seated eventually.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

We got seated a little while ago....


I'm not gonna lie, I feel edgy, anxious, and a little frustrated. I didn't want to quit today so early, that's why we went to lunch.



TBH I'm thinking about leaving now. Some days I'm just not feeling it. I really gotta be careful when I feel like this. I know myself well, and this is when I am prone to making mistakes. I'm gonna push it a bit yet though, and try to get some good momentum and feelings going.



Play good bean. Play smart.

 

[Jacki Burkhart]

We got seated a little while ago....


I'm not gonna lie, I feel edgy, anxious, and a little frustrated. I didn't want to quit today so early, that's why we went to lunch.



TBH I'm thinking about leaving now. Some days I'm just not feeling it. I really gotta be careful when I feel like this. I know myself well, and this is when I am prone to making mistakes. I'm gonna push it a bit yet though, and try to get some good momentum and feelings going.



Play good bean. Play smart.

use this opportunity to work on your mental game for when you take shots at $2/5

you will likely feel edgy/anxious when you move up and you'll need to develop coping strategies.

for instance, whenever I'm in a situation where I'm nervous for whatever reason....my adjustment is to play well defined protected preflop ranges and hyper focus on all the action at the table. I end up playing nittier than usual, and combat that boredom by trying to get into the mind of every opponent on every street even when I'm not in the hand.

some people do the opposite and zen out, listen to a podcast, go into robot mode... whatever works for you.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

use this opportunity to work on your mental game for when you take shots at $2/5

you will likely feel edgy/anxious when you move up and you'll need to develop coping strategies.

for instance, whenever I'm in a situation where I'm nervous for whatever reason....my adjustment is to play well defined protected preflop ranges and hyper focus on all the action at the table. I end up playing nittier than usual, and combat that boredom by trying to get into the mind of every opponent on every street even when I'm not in the hand.

some people do the opposite and zen out, listen to a podcast, go into robot mode... whatever works for you.

All good advice Jacki!




So, we played this hand just a short while ago...



We BTN straddle to $5.

SB, HJ, and CO limp.


We look at K-9o. We've barely played a hand.

We raise to $25. SB, HJ, and CO all call. Alright.


Flop 9d-5c-3s. ($100)

Checks to us, we het $65.

SB calls. This guy I would define as tight passive? He was short stacking when we sat down, and he is now around 225 +/- on the flop, before the bet.


Others fold.


I am probably pot controlling turn if he checks and we don't improve.


9d-5c-3s.......turn 9c. ($230)


SB checks.


Alright now this turn changed everything. We are nearly always ahead now. But what did he call with? Hmmmm.


We look at his stack, and it's all out of order. Somewhere 150-200.


We announce "all in."


Dude hesitates about 5 seconds.

"Call." He says. Slides the chips in.


9d-5c-3s-9c........river 5x.

We show, kind of expecting to chop.


He shows QQ, and leaves quietly.

 

[duggs]

If I bothered to do the math, I think we'd find that shoving KQ here is +EV

the pros are that you get full value from Kx and you balance your range for river bluffs in future

the cons are that you won't probably get any value from 8x or 7x which (IMO) is most of his range since we block Kx and based on description villain seems unsure and weak on turn.

another con is that whenever he has a hand like A5, 56, 78 or K7 or 77 we get value owned

I think (if I bothered to do the math) that we'd find the $55 bet (or something in that range of $50-80) is more +EV

pros: we get "shrug" calls from pretty much any small 1 pair hands and maybe even some A hi. I think there is something psychological (esp at live) about calling a river bet that is smaller than the turn bet. people feel dumb to fold for such a small bet and because it's live they want to save face. (maybe it's just vs me cuz I'm a girl)

another pro: if we believe they're incapable of bluffing rivers then we lose less the times we're beat. also, I don't really think it's that important to be balanced in live $1/2 esp in river spots. its all about exploiting and I think this is how you exploit players who call too much and have zero river bluff range.

the cons: we fail to extract max value in some spots (esp when he has Kx or possibly A8)

another con: we open ourself up to be river bluffed, and we aren't protecting and balancing our river ranges (again, I think this matters in tougher games but not $1/2).

another possible con: if our plan is to bet/fold what if villain overvalued and shoved a hand like KJ and he accidentally bluffed us? This is a situation of know thy customer cuz the games I play in dudes will not ever shove KJ here. They'll even just call a small bet on river or check back river when they have the nut straight but a BDFD comes in on river....they aren't really too concerned with getting full value on their strong hands, but more concerned with NOT getting bluffed and NOT losing when they have the 2nd best hand. that's my experience anyways.

interesting discussion! I like this stuff. keep it coming!

I mean I dont really use balance for protecting myself, its more of a function of not knowing my opponents calling range, so if i use a balanced approach it doesnt really matter if they call or fold too much or too little, we do fine either way. It just seems really inconsistent with the other hands you have posted that we can get paid here. If we can get called by Kx/A8/89 at least some of the time, then we can bet small, but you sure as shit better be turning every bad hand in our range into a bluff because he is folding waaaaaay too often if he folds that much. Axcc? jam that shit, JTcc jam that shit and pair worse than a K8? jam that shit.

Thats assuming his range is as weak as you guys say, I suspect its a bit narrower and has a fair few whiffed flush draws instead of 8x hands. but you guys know the games better

 

[Beanfacekilla]

I mean I dont really use balance for protecting myself, its more of a function of not knowing my opponents calling range, so if i use a balanced approach it doesnt really matter if they call or fold too much or too little, we do fine either way. It just seems really inconsistent with the other hands you have posted that we can get paid here. If we can get called by Kx/A8/89 at least some of the time, then we can bet small, but you sure as shit better be turning every bad hand in our range into a bluff because he is folding waaaaaay too often if he folds that much. Axcc? jam that shit, JTcc jam that shit and pair worse than a K8? jam that shit.

Thats assuming his range is as weak as you guys say, I suspect its a bit narrower and has a fair few whiffed flush draws instead of 8x hands. but you guys know the games better

I expected some pair+6x or pair+FD OTT. Maybe he has Kx, but we block that. I think a bet is def in order though.

 

[duggs]

I expected some pair+6x or pair+FD OTT. Maybe he has Kx, but we block that. I think a bet is def in order though.

what would you want to do with AK/KK/AA here?

 

[Beanfacekilla]

what would you want to do with AK/KK/AA here?

KK shove, AK/AA bet 55 ish I think now after this discussion.

 

[duggs]

Whats the diff? Kk blocks everything?