Bean's New Cash Game Thread!

[Beanfacekilla]

Gonna be hitting the splash pots today. I tried to sleep in but I just woke up without an alarm at 7am.


I'm trying to think about a song...... hmmmm.




This one....how about this. For the record I rarely listen to the lyrics, just the beat/music.

Goofy video man ha ha ha.

 

[mbrenneman0]

If youre in that kind of mood, "all i do is win" is the perfect track to get hyped for poker haha

I could probably make a whole playlist of songs about winning

http://https://youtu.be/GGXzlRoNtHU

 

[Beanfacekilla]

BTN straddle for $5. 3 limpers.

We are in MP, with 10d-10h, $297 deep.

We raise to $30 (SB is super loose and sucks and he is deep).

Guy on my immediate left shoves. Looks like around 150, by stack size.


Folds to us, we ask dealer for a count.

Guy pipes up immediately and says "one eighty."

This gets me thinking right away. He is anxious. I don't think he wants a call. He slid chips out in one tower, and then he is trying to make it seem like we don't want to call.


Dealer cuts....... "one seventy five."


We tank a little. I know this guy pretty well, he could def have A-K here, or worse. He is aggro and he isn't scared. He prob know we open light sometimes.


I cut the chips and call.


Flop 10-9-3cc.......turn 3c.......river offsuit low card.


We motion to him to roll hand. I called him, I want to know what he shipped with.


He rolls A-Ko.


We turn over immediately and take it down.


I do say to dude "I didn't mean to slow roll you. I just want to see what you're shoving on me with."

He replies "It's good man." He's a good sport he doesn't get butt hurt about stuff like some do.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

If youre in that kind of mood, "all i do is win" is the perfect track to get hyped for poker haha

I could probably make a whole playlist of songs about winning

http://https://youtu.be/GGXzlRoNtHU

Thanks man!

 

[mbrenneman0]

you heard this one?

Beastie Boys - Don't Play No Game That I Can't Win

I know the danger of a man who's been to hell and back again. Can't tell tomorrow from where he's been. Dont play no game that I can't win

great lyrics for a hook right?

 

[Beanfacekilla]

you heard this one?

Beastie Boys - Don't Play No Game That I Can't Win


great lyrics for a hook right?

No I'm a fan of them too. Gonna have to listen to this one thanks man!

 

[Beanfacekilla]

So, we are MP. BTN straddle to $5.

SB blind raises to $10.

We look at Ah-Qh. One limper for $10, $275 ish stack.


We raise to $65.

HJ moves in for $171.

Folds to us.


So here are my thoughts.....


There is $255 in pot.

We must call $106 more.

So we getting right about 2.5 to 1 on call.

My read is he is capped at KK, we block AA and QQ. So I'm gonna say officially KK, JJ, 10-10.


He knows me, I know him, well.



H?

 

[mbrenneman0]

BTN straddle for $5. 3 limpers.

We are in MP, with 10d-10h, $297 deep.
*snip*

Yikes! i dont know If I would have made that call...I mean if we consider his range...

WE're calling 145 with 228 in the middle, so we need 38% equity against his range to make this a break even call

I'm assuming the worst PP he does this with is something like JJ+?

TT vs JJ+ = 18.6% equity

TT vs AK/JJ+ = 33.7% equity

TT vs AQs+/AKo/JJ+ = 35.5% equity

TT vs AQ+/JJ+ = 40% equity

so we need him to be doing this with AQo in order to be a barely better than break even call

Lets say his range is exactly JJ+/AK and we need 40% equity to like our call then we need to call with AKs/QQ+

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Yikes! i dont know If I would have made that call...I mean if we consider his range...

WE're calling 145 with 228 in the middle, so we need 38% equity against his range to make this a break even call

I'm assuming the worst PP he does this with is something like JJ+?

TT vs JJ+ = 18.6% equity

TT vs AK/JJ+ = 33.7% equity

TT vs AQs+/AKo/JJ+ = 35.5% equity

TT vs AQ+/JJ+ = 40% equity

so we need him to be doing this with AQo in order to be a barely better than break even call

Lets say his range is exactly JJ+/AK and we need 40% equity to like our call then we need to call with AKs/QQ+

This is where I need to learn more. Like how my hand does against a range. I get reads, and I go with them. I def didn't think he has bigger PP. I had him on AK or some smaller pair, because I've seen him ship 5-5 and the like in similar spots. Honestly don't think he ships QQ+, based on a lot of history, and that leaves JJ rarely and overs. That's just about the cliff notes of real time thoughts. I really thought he has something exactly like AK or AQ, or smaller pair.


I've been meaning to learn more about ranges too. It's something I really need to think about more at the table for sure.

 

[mbrenneman0]

This is where I need to learn more. Like how my hand does against a range. I get reads, and I go with them. I def didn't think he has bigger PP. I had him on AK or some smaller pair, because I've seen him ship 5-5 and the like in similar spots. Honestly don't think he ships QQ+, based on a lot of history, and that leaves JJ rarely and overs. That's just about the cliff notes of real time thoughts. I really thought he has something exactly like AK or AS, or smaller pair.


I've been meaning to learn more about ranges too. It's something I really need to think about more at the table for sure.

ah yeah, thats true, i was thinking more about the standard level 0 thinking droolers shoving range... if he plays the top of his range a little more trappy than our equity improves a ton.

maybe he does it with AK/66-JJ, then we have 64% and this becomes massively profitable with an expected value of $94 ... just depends how confident you are in your read I guess.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

ah yeah, thats true, i was thinking more about the standard level 0 thinking droolers shoving range... if he plays the top of his range a little more trappy than our equity improves a ton.

maybe he does it with AK/66-JJ, then we have 64% and this becomes massively profitable with an expected value of $94 ... just depends how confident you are in your read I guess.

When I get a read, I trust it. I'm right most of the time. But yeah, it's whatever. I could have been wrong as well.

 

[Figaroo2]

If he knows you well then I'd be inclined to fold. If it wasnt suited would that make a difference?
Suitedness is good because you can pick up draws that allow you to semi bluff. Once the money is already in that value is lost.
I like to raise pre either with weak Ax Kx Qx suited hands or JJ+ to make my decisions easier when I get 4 bet. Hands like AQs AJs I tend to call unless there are squeezers behind.
You can get tempted to call 4bets with AQs and usually the outcome is flipping v a pair or domination by AK.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

If he knows you well then I'd be inclined to fold. If it wasnt suited would that make a difference?
Suitedness is good because you can pick up draws that allow you to semi bluff. Once the money is already in that value is lost.
I like to raise pre either with weak Ax Kx Qx suited hands or JJ+ to make my decisions easier when I get 4 bet. Hands like AQs AJs I tend to call unless there are squeezers behind.
You can get tempted to call 4bets with AQs and usually the outcome is flipping v a pair or domination by AK.

From my chair I feel like I have 30% minimum equity. I know we need 33% equity to continue here if we get 2 to 1 on a call. So it's probably barely +ev if read is correct, and more so if we are indeed flipping.


In real time I feel the call is very close, in terms of math anyway, but it's only based on a read, which could be wrong.


I really could go either way on this one. I def don't like it, but I was curious to see what others thought as well.


I think it would be prudent to fold, and wait for more clear spots to shovel chips into the pot, but yeah, I gave my reasons to call, so I am not sure what should be done here.

 

[mbrenneman0]

When I get a read, I trust it. I'm right most of the time. But yeah, it's whatever. I could have been wrong as well.

if you were wrong, then the EV would only be -16 so being wrong here wouldnt be a big mistake compared to the upside if youre right

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Sesh over. +$505.



Went to lunch again with my good friend, it was nice. The downtown area is super nice. Here is some pics to illustrate this. The pics might not be that great though.... we ate at "The Hudson Cafe", it should be pictured to the left of the Nike store.



Also, I have at least one more hand to post later when I get home.

 

[duggs]

thoughts about jamming the TT river?

 

[Beanfacekilla]

thoughts about jamming the TT river?

I did think about it in real time. The thing was, I just didn't know what the guy had man. I expected a ton of SDs that missed, and aside from that, we'd certainly hear from sets on the turn.....


In real time I thought 200 was swinging for the fence. I expected him to fold a lot, and just in case he actually has something, let's try to get some value.



After the fact the guy talked to me and told me he had 2p. I think he was embarrassed that he called or something, and he wanted to justify his river call.

I can see value in shoving, I guess if he calls 200, he may call 325-350. It's def worth considering. I do think people are a little more timid to put all their chips in and felt FWIW.


I wish I was a sicko and jammed and got the call dude.

 

[duggs]

I did think about it in real time. The thing was, I just didn't know what the guy had man. I expected a ton of SDs that missed, and aside from that, we'd certainly hear from sets on the turn.....


In real time I thought 200 was swinging for the fence. I expected him to fold a lot, and just in case he actually has something, let's try to get some value.



After the fact the guy talked to me and told me he had 2p. I think he was embarrassed that he called or something, and he wanted to justify his river call.

I can see value in shoving, I guess if he calls 200, he may call 325-350. It's def worth considering. I do think people are a little more timid to put all their chips in and felt FWIW.


I wish I was a sicko and jammed and got the call dude.

i mean lets say hecalls 200 X% of the time, as long as he calls 350 .57xX then we arebreaking even, if he calls 80% of his calling range to a jam then we are making a massive EV gain

 

[Beanfacekilla]

So we are BB. We have been tight, one of the deep stacks came right out and told me he knows I'm a pro and he thinks I clearly know what I'm doing, so he respects us. Others are clueless except for one, and he is tilted.


So we have tight image, and one guy tilting.


We are BB, Ah-Kh. 5 limpers I think.


We raise option to $22.

We get 3 callers. The first one in is the tilted guy. He is somewhat solid, but lol bets, not too strong fundamentally.

We are 1st in line.

Villain 1: EP limper, tilted, description above.

Villain 2: EP limper, totally fit or fold, scared money, I want to say tight passive, but she isn't that tight with limp range. She will fold for sure if she misses.

Villain 3: deep sort of solid reg, he is loose, but not against me. This time I expect him to have the weakest hand of all because he was the last one to call, getting a fantastic price. His range widest.


Flop 9d-Kd-9c.



My first thoughts are, if we bet, and someone raises, we are in gross spot. I said lol bets from Villain 1, so I could check, let him stab, and I get to see what the other two do, before committing any chips.

And, if we bet, and get called in two or three spots, I don't like it at all.


If we check, and one bets, we can easily call and go HU to turn OOP.


Hero? Thoughts anyone?

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Oh yeah, I forgot to add, one of my thoughts real time is if we C/C, it prob looks like a FD to them.

 

[braveslice]

Well you know to call if V1 raises with relative position, and you know to fold if V2 or V3 raises. So bet around half pot minus?

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Well you know to call if V1 raises with relative position, and you know to fold if V2 or V3 raises. So bet around half pot minus?

V1 may raise us just to spite us. I don't really mind betting, but we also have to be careful if we bet too little because it may inadvertently trigger a raise from one of them, because they may mistake a smaller bet for cbet bluff.

If I were to bet, I'd probably bet $50, maybe a shade more....

 

[Beanfacekilla]

So, a particular member on CC (Matt), makes V-logs about poker and stuff. A couple months ago, I really started to think about doing a vlog myself. I did make a few poker strategy videos years ago, about basic concepts. I have removed most of them over the years.

I do have a good camera, and some free time. I just don't know if I want to put my face out there for anyone to see.

Plus, I am worried a little that it will seem unoriginal, and it will look as if I am just copying others vlogs perhaps. I don't know if this is valid or not.

I am very passionate about poker, and about life in general, so I think maybe I could make a vlog that people may find entertaining? I just don't know. It's whatever.


I am also a little worried of fellow players in my local games stumbling across my vlog, and getting information about how I play, and I don't want to help them get better obv.





I don't really want to do it for money, but simply because I want to create something that people may like, find entertaining, and perhaps it helps a few people. Matt's V-log has helped me, and he probably doesn't know that (necessarily).




Does anyone have any thoughts? I am seriously considering it. I already have some rough footage for the intro video.

 

[braveslice]

V1 may raise us just to spite us. I don't really mind betting, but we also have to be careful if we bet too little because it may inadvertently trigger a raise from one of them, because they may mistake a smaller bet for cbet bluff.

If I were to bet, I'd probably bet $50, maybe a shade more....

We bet small partly because we want to bait V1 to spite us, hard to find a hand that V2 or V3 would raise here 'just because' given description. I don't mind betting 50, you can't fold anymore though, you have around half pot call left against shove?

Edit: It seems you are deep here then given how careful your attitude is?

Edit2: About vlogs, you can't know before you try it out =) Go for it. Copying stuff is the right way, at least the first year lol.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

We bet small partly because we want to bait V1 to spite us, hard to find a hand that V2 or V3 would raise here 'just because' given description. I don't mind betting 50, you can't fold anymore though, 250 in middle, you have around half pot call left against shove?

Edit: It seems you are deep here then given how careful your attitude is?

Edit2: About vlogs, you can't know before you try it out =) Go for it. Copying stuff is the right way, at least the first year lol.

One guy is super deep, we are 700 deep prob. Others have 250 and 150 in order of position early to late. Last guy IP is the one who is deep, who also will have the widest range.