Bad Calls By Villain That Won, And Some That Didn't

[SeaRun]

it happens that some people associate with connectors, for example 67,89,34 and get in the set,and you rolled over pair , and you don't know what your in for a raise to 3bb with AQ opponent could get into a set when the cards 4 4 Q

Trust me, I've seen more than my share of those hands. However, to raise with 2-3 S is a kind of semi bluff, but to call a 3-bet??

 

[akaRobbo]

Don't mean to hijack your thread but had to show this and wanted to try out the hand converter you mentioned.

You build up a loose image for an hour or so for this to happen. I have over 1k hands with villain who is 15/11/3. Seemed like a decent reg, having second thoughts now. Might start folding Jacks pre.

pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com/

Hero (BB) ($10)
UTG ($10)
MP ($10.15)
CO ($51.33)
Button ($10.15)
SB ($10)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J

, J

3 folds, Button raises to $0.30, SB raises to $0.90, Hero calls $0.80, 1 fold

Flop: ($2.10) J

, 3

, 10

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.20, SB raises to $4.30, Hero raises to $9.10 (All-In), SB calls $4.80 (All-In)

Turn: ($20.30) 8

(2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($20.30) Q

(2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $20.30 | Rake: $0.91

Results below:

Spoiler

SB had Q

, Q

(three of a kind, Queens).
Hero had J

, J

(three of a kind, Jacks).
Outcome: SB won $19.39

I run too bad to play loose. How he is paying me off with Queens pre in the first place. Such a joke sometimes.

 

[SeaRun]

In this position, K-7 isn't necessarily a bad hand, it's just the way that the hand played out that pissed me off:

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 30/60 Blinds (3 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php

SB (t685)
BB (t310)
Hero (Button) (t805)

Hero's M: 8.94

Preflop: Hero is Button with A

, A

Hero raises to t180, 1 fold, BB raises to t310 (All-In), Hero calls t130

Flop: (t650) 7

, 8

, 7

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t650) 6

(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t650) K

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: t650

Results below:

Spoiler

Hero had A

, A

(two pair, Aces and sevens).
BB had 7

, K

(full house, sevens over Kings).
Outcome: BB won t650

 

[SeaRun]

The villain who won this was 56/42 for 85 hands with a T%AFQ of something in the 40s and 3-bet preflop of 18

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com

MP3 ($1.39)
CO ($7.32)
Button ($6.51)
Hero (SB) ($5.62)
BB ($5.75)
UTG ($5)
UTG+1 ($11.90)
MP1 ($5.73)
MP2 ($5.18)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6

, 2

3 folds, MP2 raises to $0.20, MP3 calls $0.20, CO calls $0.20, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.67) 8

, 3

, 10

(3 players)
MP2 checks, MP3 bets $1.19 (All-In), CO raises to $3.45, MP2 calls $3.45

Turn: ($8.76) J

(3 players, 1 all-in)
MP2 checks, CO bets $3.67 (All-In), MP2 calls $1.53 (All-In)

River: ($11.82) 5

(3 players, 3 all-in)

Total pot: $11.82 | Rake: $0.49

Results below:

Spoiler

MP2 had A

, A

(one pair, Aces).
MP3 had 6

, 6

(one pair, sixes).
CO had J

, 8

(two pair, Jacks and eights).
Outcome: CO won $11.33

 

[duggs]

In this position, K-7 isn't necessarily a bad hand, it's just the way that the hand played out that pissed me off:

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 30/60 Blinds (3 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php

SB (t685)
BB (t310)
Hero (Button) (t805)

Hero's M: 8.94

Preflop: Hero is Button with A

, A

Hero raises to t180, 1 fold, BB raises to t310 (All-In), Hero calls t130

Flop: (t650) 7

, 8

, 7

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t650) 6

(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t650) K

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: t650

Results below:

Spoiler

Hero had A

, A

(two pair, Aces and sevens).
BB had 7

, K

(full house, sevens over Kings).
Outcome: BB won t650

you shouldn't be 3x ing with these stack sizes ever

 

[SeaRun]

This is from the CC Freeroll today. Pretty sad actually:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 0 Tournament, 25/50 Blinds (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com

Hero (MP1) (t2,340)
MP2 (t1,635)
CO (t1,725)
Button (t2,810)
SB (t3,050)
BB (t2,370)
UTG (t2,330)
UTG+1 (t1,145)

Hero's M: 31.20

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 9

, 7

4 folds, CO raises to t100, 1 fold, SB calls t75, BB calls t50

Flop: (t300) 5

, 7

, Q

(3 players)
SB checks, BB bets t300, 1 fold, SB calls t300

Turn: (t900) 4

(2 players)
SB checks, BB bets t900, SB raises to t1,800, BB raises to t1,970 (All-In), SB calls t170

River: (t4,840) 8

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: t4,840

Results below:

Spoiler

SB had 3

, 6

(straight, eight high).
BB had J

, Q

(one pair, Queens).
Outcome: SB won t4,840

 

[duggs]

its a free roll what do you expect?

 

[SeaRun]

its a free roll what do you expect?

Actually? Decent play in a CC members freeroll, but I guess I'm sucking hind teat there ain't I??

 

[duggs]

iv played them before, super nits/fish nits/ and fish.

 

[SeaRun]

Well Duggs, I do my best to play it like it means something, call it practice with maybe a little something at the end. Not everyone does, not everyone should I guess, but that's just me.

 

[SeaRun]

I wasn't in this hand, but this is a prime example of a sick call that works out.

Really, who would play this?

Villain who won the hand is 16/11 with 394 hands. Buddy with Js is 19/15 with 296 hands

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com

SB ($5)
BB ($5.07)
UTG ($5.18)
Hero (UTG+1) ($6.44)
MP1 ($12.12)
MP2 ($5.07)
CO ($6.18)
Button ($5.18)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 8

, 10

2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.15, 1 fold, CO calls $0.15, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.37) 6

, 2

, 3

(2 players)
MP1 bets $0.26, CO raises to $0.69, MP1 calls $0.43

Turn: ($1.75) 8

(2 players)
MP1 checks, CO bets $1.68, MP1 calls $1.68

River: ($5.11) 6

(2 players)
MP1 bets $4.90, CO calls $3.66 (All-In)

Total pot: $12.43 | Rake: $0.52

Results below:

Spoiler

MP1 had J

, J

(two pair, Jacks and sixes).
CO had 5

, 6

(three of a kind, sixes).
Outcome: CO won $11.91

 

[duggs]

yup he hit a 9 outer..

 

[akaRobbo]

A sick call that works out!? Hahahah

 

[SeaRun]

My point is pre, he was what........................ 4:1 behind? Against random hands he's going to be 3:2 behind at best?

Yes, on the Turn and River he has 9 outs, but it's silly it even gets this far. Agreed?

 

[duggs]

not folding flop if i get there, but pre isn't that bad, like its far from good but you are blowing it way out of proportion.

 

[RodneyC86]

My point is pre, he was what........................ 4:1 behind? Against random hands he's going to be 3:2 behind at best?

Yes, on the Turn and River he has 9 outs, but it's silly it even gets this far. Agreed?

Well , seeing as both have fairly reggy stats. We cannot be too sure how they are leveling on each other. I mean, isnt entirely possible for the JJ guy to be a chronic double-barreller and he figured his 6 is good for a call on the turn with a 9 outers as backup?

I learned to not be too judgmental of seemingly fishy plays, especially if it was between two reggy players. It's usually not a luckboxing contest. They are likely levelling each other, although whether they are doing it right is another question. So don't go crazy and immediately label the 56s guy as a calling station just based on this hand and go shoving TPWK down his throat the first chance you get.

EDIT: 56s not 56o, sorry

 

[SeaRun]

not folding flop if i get there, but pre isn't that bad, like its far from good but you are blowing it way out of proportion.

Probably so, and maybe I have a serious misunderstanding of playable hands. Looking at his stats and the range exercise you had me do yesterday, I would NEVER put him on small SCs

 

[RodneyC86]

Probably so, and maybe I have a serious misunderstanding of playable hands. ooking at his stats and the range exercise you had me do yesterday, I would NEVER put him on small SCs

Apparently neither did Mr. JJ. See that'w why we do play the suited connectors occasionally. They are very hard to put on as they make up like what? playable suited connectors from 56s to JTs only account for like 1.8% of all poker hands.

Also, those two up there are about 120bb deep. The preflop play is definitely acceptable, unless there's a 3bet monkey after CO

Should I also mention he has position?

 

[duggs]

its not acceptable, its meh ok, v anyone remotely good you are going to get killed flatting there.

 

[SeaRun]

Apparently neither did Mr. JJ. See that'w why we do play the suited connectors occasionally. They are very hard to put on as they make up like what? playable suited connectors from 56s to JTs only account for like 1.8% of all poker hands.

Also, those two up there are about 120bb deep. The preflop play is definitely acceptable, unless there's a 3bet monkey after CO

Should I also mention he has position?

Yes, I play them occasionally too, but not for 3 bbs for small one against potentially 1 player.

Yes, he does have position, but he didn't know that when he called pre, did he?

 

[RodneyC86]

its not acceptable, its meh ok, v anyone remotely good you are going to get killed flatting there.

Okay, I took a look at my SC flatting stats. You're right, don't do it in general, then again I'm weak tight


? How is acceptable different from meh ok?

 

[SeaRun]

Here's one that makes me go "Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm".

I can understand his 3-bet ............... maybe, but after that I have no idea what was going through his head.

I put him on Qs + or maybe AK. I did not believe he had anything to match the flop.

Thoughts?

PokerStars - $0.05 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG+2: 83.4 BB (VPIP: 13.57, PFR: 9.82, 3Bet Preflop: 0.83, Hands: 408)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 10.14, PFR: 5.41, 3Bet Preflop: 12.24, Hands: 152)
MP+1: 116 BB (VPIP: 11.69, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 3.75, Hands: 234)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 20.24, PFR: 9.72, 3Bet Preflop: 1.05, Hands: 248)
BTN: 117.8 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 14.81, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)
SB: 113 BB (VPIP: 17.24, PFR: 13.79, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 29)
Hero (BB): 104.6 BB
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 10.71, PFR: 10.71, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 29)
UTG+1: 118.8 BB (VPIP: 17.56, PFR: 5.34, 3Bet Preflop: 1.64, Hands: 135)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J:spade: J:diamond:

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, SB raises to 9 BB, Hero raises to 20 BB, fold, SB calls 11 BB

Flop: (43 BB, 2 players) J:heart: 8:heart: T:diamond:
SB checks, Hero bets 29 BB, SB raises to 93 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 55.6 BB and is all-in

Turn: (212.2 BB, 2 players) 9:diamond:

River: (212.2 BB, 2 players) 7:spade:

SB shows 6:diamond: 7:diamond: (Straight, Jack High) (Pre 21%, Flop 16%, Turn 73%)
Hero shows J:spade: J:diamond: (Straight, Jack High) (Pre 79%, Flop 84%, Turn 27%)
SB wins 101.8 BB
Hero wins 101.6 BB

 

[duggs]

why are you 4betting JJ if his calling range is QQ+ AK?

 

[SeaRun]

why are you 4betting JJ if his calling range is QQ+ AK?

That was my thought post-flop, sorry Duggs, didn't make myself clear. No reason to put him on only those limited hands with his stats pre.

 

[duggs]

QQ will almost always jam pre