***April Cash Game Thread***

[PattyR]

Do we have any videos on here at CC about setting up a HUD in HEM? i never use a HUD and when i deposit enough money this summer to play 25NL i want to use a HUD for sure but wondering how to set up a good one and what stats to display and whatnot.

 

[WVHillbilly]

TPC did a really detailed HEM setup and HUD video. As far as what stats to include I'm a fan of starting with minimal stats and then adding others as you find you need/want them. This let's you personalize your HUD and gets you used to using a particular stat slowly instead of throwing 15 stats on a HUD and trying to figure everything out all at once.

 

[Wes747]

TPC did a really detailed HEM setup and HUD video. As far as what stats to include I'm a fan of starting with minimal stats and then adding others as you find you need/want them. This let's you personalize your HUD and gets you used to using a particular stat slowly instead of throwing 15 stats on a HUD and trying to figure everything out all at once.

+1

Just yesterday I decided that it was time for me to add some more stats. I added in the fold sb to steal and fold bb to steal. Previously I just had pfr/vpip/agr/3bet/f23bet/
cbet/f2cbet/steal/hands.

I think the stats I had were very good and not very overwhelming. I might be missing a few key things, but it has worked fairly well for me.

 

[F Paulsson]

As far as what stats to include I'm a fan of starting with minimal stats and then adding others as you find you need/want them. This let's you personalize your HUD and gets you used to using a particular stat slowly instead of throwing 15 stats on a HUD and trying to figure everything out all at once.

Yessir, that's about right.

See, adding "fold-to-4bet" and not actually having figured out what you want to do versus someone who folds often versus someone who folds rarely (assuming you even know what typical values for that stat is) won't help you much. In fact, it'll probably make you worse off than not knowing at all.

I have a decent chunk of stats up nowadays, but I do use them all (some more than others, obviously) and I've actually spent a decent amount of time on each of the separate stats figuring out how to play versus a "normal" value, a high value and a low value - after looking around and seeing what typical values are. Some of the stats actually require separate reads in order to be useful; knowing how often someone triple barrels or bets the river in general is only something I can lean on once I know if he's capable of valuebetting a hand like KJ on a 6-3-3-Q-J river, or if his river range is polarized.

Eh, anyway. What WV said.

 

[PattyR]

thanks for the kind words...is the video TPC did in our video section than? some reason my HUD wont load when i start pstars...hmmm

 

[eNTy]

most people use +1 FP

 

[PattyR]

well i just searched through the video section and i couldn find the TPC video...anybody got the link or point me in the right direction

 

[WVHillbilly]

Sorry. It's actually a PT3 video. Close, but not quite.

https://www.cardschat.com/f53/video-about-poker-tracker-3-tpc-165464/

 

[absoluthamm]

So this is how you be aggressive... If only I would've figured out in March...
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HAND #1
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Full Tilt, $0.02/$0.05 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

MP2: $5.35 (107 bb)
MP3: $5.66 (113.2 bb)
AbsoluteHamm (CO): $5 (100 bb)
BTN: $4.93 (98.6 bb)
SB: $5.14 (102.8 bb)
BB: $5 (100 bb)
UTG+1: $5.41 (108.2 bb)
UTG+2: $6.27 (125.4 bb)
MP1: $3.80 (76 bb)

Pre-Flop: AbsoluteHamm is CO with Q

Q

2 folds, MP1 calls $0.05, MP2 folds, MP3 raises to $0.30, AbsoluteHamm raises to $0.90, 4 folds, MP3 calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.92) 7

8

6

(2 players)
MP3 checks, AbsoluteHamm bets $4.10 and is all-in, MP3 calls $4.10

Turn: ($10.12) 4

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($10.12) 2

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $10.12 pot ($0.67 rake)
AbsoluteHamm showed Q

Q

(a pair of Queens) and won $9.45 ($4.45 net)
MP3 showed J

J

(a pair of Jacks) and lost (-$5 net)

 

[slycbnew]

omg I'm amazed by how thinly we should be value betting in LHE...

 

[BelgoSuisse]

most people use +1 FP

+1

 

[PattyR]

how come when i try to run my HEM HUD, i go to click on auto import...and it begins to import EVERY HAND IVE PLAYED ALL YEAR...takes like 15 minutes...and no popup HUD ever comes up...WTF

 

[BelgoSuisse]

What would be a good flatting range oop versus someone who 4bets light? I see quite a few regs who do that and it leaves me wondering.

 

[F Paulsson]

What do they do on the flop? Check or donk?

Unless I'm playing deep and/or up against a really bad player, there are only six combos I'd even consider flatting a 4bet with.

 

[BelgoSuisse]

Check mostly.

 

[F Paulsson]

Hrm. Have you seen any showdowns? It's possible that there's some super-cool trick with QJs or whatever that I haven't thought about, but I can't for the life of me figure out what that would be. Then again, just because some regs do it doesn't necessarily mean that it's good; it might just be that they've watched some coaching video where Krantz flatted a 4bet OOP with JTs and they didn't notice that he was super-deep or had some other amazing read so now they just go ahead and flat it always. Who knows.

 

[BelgoSuisse]

I saw KJ who flopped a straight while I flopped a set of queens. KQ who flopped 2 pairs against my aces. And I've been check-raised out of a couple of pots when I've tried to cbet my air.

 

[F Paulsson]

I can't really make sense of that, other than taking a note on them and add a few more 4bets for value (e.g. JJ), 4-bet a bit bigger versus these players with your entire range while also reducing your bluffing frequency, and finally to often check back AK on the flop when you've missed (unless the SPR makes it worthwhile to shove as a cbet). If you feel the need to balance you can check back/shove AA a couple of times, too.

 

[F Paulsson]

Btw, if it does seem to be specifically KQ and KJ, it's a pretty good bet that there's a training site video that's come out recently that's said something about that. It has to be conditional though, I can't imagine it being profitable per default. Or I'm missing something.

 

[slycbnew]

how come when i try to run my HEM HUD, i go to click on auto import...and it begins to import EVERY HAND IVE PLAYED ALL YEAR...takes like 15 minutes...and no popup HUD ever comes up...WTF

Are your HH's being moved to another folder? Is that folder one of your auto import folders?

Can't imagine what that would have to do w the HUD, though... gl!

 

[absoluthamm]

how come when i try to run my HEM HUD, i go to click on auto import...and it begins to import EVERY HAND IVE PLAYED ALL YEAR...takes like 15 minutes...and no popup HUD ever comes up...WTF

Yea, make sure to have HEM archive your hands in another folder and make sure that folder isn't included in the scanning range. That way you won't lose your hands in case you need them for backup, but also you won't have to worry about them being scanned every time you start scanning.

 

[F Paulsson]

I saw KJ who flopped a straight while I flopped a set of queens. KQ who flopped 2 pairs against my aces. And I've been check-raised out of a couple of pots when I've tried to cbet my air.

It has to be a new video out somewhere. I've never seen it before, and then this hand happened today:


party poker $400 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 663616
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

UTG: $618.40
CO: $508.80
BTN: $400.00
SB: $469.10
Hero (BB): $406.00

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is BB with Q

Q

2 folds, BTN raises to $10, SB raises to $34, Hero raises to $98, 1 fold, SB calls $64

Flop: ($206.00) Q

J

T

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $120, SB raises to $371.10 all in, Hero calls $188 all in

Turn: ($822.00) 4

(2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($822.00) 9

(2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $822.00
SB shows J

K

(a flush, King high)
Hero shows Q

Q

(three of a kind, Queens)
SB wins $63.10
SB wins $756.90
(Rake: $2.00)

 

[eNTy]

Btw, if it does seem to be specifically KQ and KJ, it's a pretty good bet that there's a training site video that's come out recently that's said something about that. It has to be conditional though, I can't imagine it being profitable per default. Or I'm missing something.

its been going on for months.
its regs being fancy but mostly being retarded.

and not just KJ/KQ in my experience. at least not at 50nl fr

 

[BelgoSuisse]

I've decided that for the rest of the month, I'll play a single table of rush 6max, taking all the time needed to ponder decisions and pausing the game after each tricky spots to take notes and think about those more.

I think that should be +EV long term.

 

[absoluthamm]

Belgo, do you use FT for your note taking or HEM? Gotta be pretty quick with catching the person's notes on Rush before they're gone if you're using Tilt's