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Cstarker27
Enthusiast
Silver Level
I wasn’t trying to talk shit. Just trying to give you some insight.... hell, your the one looking for advise, and everyone who tries to help you, you make some dumbass comment and dismiss what they say.... good luck playing in the “kiddie pool” you’ll go bust soon enough. Douche.
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MrSamsa
Rock Star
Silver Level
You need to value bet your hands in a way that correlates with their strength as it relates to the board. That board is extremely connected- you are losing to any 10, which by the way QT and JT even 8T are all heavy on their calling range on the flop and the turn; as well as any backdoor flush, not to mention sets.
Its easy to be like "woo-hoo trips! Send me the money" but you have to slow down and consider what your actions should be if a 9 or a backdoor club hit before they come
TxFoldemPro
Enthusiast
Silver Level
Hate when that happens. Shoulda pushed turn, coulda folded river. I believe half pot or less means trap or info fishing. Worst part is morons tend to get lucky at the worst times, gotta swallow pride and gettem on the flip.
Keep it up,
TxfoldemPro
Ps: you made the right move.......
Keep it up,
TxfoldemPro
Ps: you made the right move.......
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Aaron Soto
Rock Star
Silver Level
THANK YOU MY MAN. Wow finally a poker genius. Someone who understands that I should of Pushed on the turn.!!! Wow 1/2 of these idiots just don't seem to understand that. Amazes me how stupid some of the people reading this topic are.
One guy says you should of checked the turn LOL, check the turn and automatically put villain on a flopped straight HAHA
Another guy says it was a mistake to C-bet the flop even though it is HU
Another idiot says All-In on the turn would be a mistake even though I have 70% equity to win and Fold Equity on the turn
Amazing how stupid some people are at poker
Thank You sir for this FINE REPLY.
One guy says you should of checked the turn LOL, check the turn and automatically put villain on a flopped straight HAHA
Another guy says it was a mistake to C-bet the flop even though it is HU
Another idiot says All-In on the turn would be a mistake even though I have 70% equity to win and Fold Equity on the turn
Amazing how stupid some people are at poker
Thank You sir for this FINE REPLY.
DougPkrMonsta
Visionary
Silver Level
Your turn sizing of under half pot on a draw heavy board seems bad.
You've already addressed river tilt shove which was even worse.
But you really started going wrong before the flop with your... let's call it... "thinking".
Mindset needs a lot of work if you really want to improve your game.
Good luck to you!
You've already addressed river tilt shove which was even worse.
But you really started going wrong before the flop with your... let's call it... "thinking".
Mindset needs a lot of work if you really want to improve your game.
Good luck to you!
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mbrenneman0
Legend
Silver Level
I didnt read the whole thread, but it sounds like you just wanted to blow off some steam. theres no way in hell you can be a reg on these forums and not spot the mistake. you knew what you did wrong before you even finished posting this.
my recommendation: The mental game of poker by jared tendler. get it, read it, internalize it, read it again.
EDIT: also buy in for a full stack
my recommendation: The mental game of poker by jared tendler. get it, read it, internalize it, read it again.
EDIT: also buy in for a full stack
godblessiraq
Legend
Silver Level
Excellent book in my opinion! It's an easy read too. That book has been very helpful to me. I recommend it to anyone!
godblessiraq
Legend
Silver Level
I'm still amazed at the fact that you don't realize you lost to a straight flush. Villain did not have a straight or a flush, he/she had a STRAIGHT FLUSH!!!
playinggameswithu
Legend
Silver Level
You should play PLO it will teach you to be better NLH player. I am guessing from your opponent he would have called a shove even on that board on the turn. Though you really should have potted it on the turn. When the draws show up they show up.
Your opponent made bad call pre though, calling 10x with dominated hand like Q10. New player like never let go of top pair. Even if they get check raised big they still don't let go of top purrr. The obvious mistake was the river as admitted.
Your opponent made bad call pre though, calling 10x with dominated hand like Q10. New player like never let go of top pair. Even if they get check raised big they still don't let go of top purrr. The obvious mistake was the river as admitted.
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Marginal
Junior Member
Silver Level
Shoving turn is terrible and one of worse lines you can take. When you come here, dont look for people to vindicate your play, look for the right ideas and keep an open mind.
mbrenneman0
Legend
Silver Level
You shpuld cool it with the personal attacks, and you should also remember that youre playing against a range. You have much more equity vs his half pot calling range than you do against his much stronger all in calling range. Comparing the EV of a line where he calls with a hand in the middle of his range to the EV of a line where he calls with the same hand closer to the bottom of his range is not how you evaluate lines.
You are on insane monkey tilt over a hand that happened a week ago, you are laser focused on the results, and you are no longer posting here to improve but looking for someone to tell you what you wanted to hear and arguing with everyone who tells you otherwise.
G-bucks > sklansky bucks
You are on insane monkey tilt over a hand that happened a week ago, you are laser focused on the results, and you are no longer posting here to improve but looking for someone to tell you what you wanted to hear and arguing with everyone who tells you otherwise.
G-bucks > sklansky bucks
caligula
Rising Star
Bronze Level
I didn't say I vastly surpassed 1/3 and 2/5 games. I just said I've vastly surpassed you. I don't need to provide proof that I play 5/10, you'll just have to take my word for it. I have a real job and don't live and die by my results at the poker table. Your head is so far up your own ass that you find it impossible to believe there's anyone who's reached a higher level than you. You're on here posting handwritten charts from 2016 expecting people to be impressed. You were playing 1/2 in 2016 and you're still playing 1/2 in 2018. No progress. You lost a measly $170, punting off your money like a donkey, and it bothered you so much you felt compelled to show up on a forum and ask what you did wrong when the answer was as clear as day, right in front of you. And when people tried to tell you what you did wrong, you deflected, and instead propped yourself up, as if you're infallible. Your ego is far larger than your ambition or skill.
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innercitysrvvr
Rising Star
Bronze Level
"Why did i believe villain was unsure about calling instead of raising? Easy: because I'm pro at reading the other players, body language, voice, bets, etc". Huh, apparently not. You raise 10 bb preflop and get called. You are out of position, flop 2nd pr, you bet and get called. You bet on the turn, get called. Forget the villain's hand for a moment. This guy could have been rolling you with a set and you sound clueless. How about attempting a check raise on flop. Coming back at him might have changed his action. Regardless, chalk it up to a bad beat and move on. The same weak players that occasionally draw out on you are the same ones that pay you off time after time.
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LIONINSIDE
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Preflop in my opinion. It's the most important street in holdem as it sets the tone for the rest of the hand.
AK is ok to raise, but while you're still crafting your game I would recommend just completing OOP with AQ/AJ in these limped pots. Things can get messy once you bloat the pot with a mediocre holding.
mbrenneman0
Legend
Silver Level
No. maybe if you like taking AQ into a 7 way pot... but generally you should be trying to get headsup to the flop with this kind of hand
mbrenneman0
Legend
Silver Level
then dont come here for advice.
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Robespierre
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Aaron,
Your villain also had an inside straight flush draw after the turn. Does Morongo have a high hand or bad beat jackpot? If so, it could also have compelled him to call your bet on the turn. When I used to play 1-2NL at PBKC in Florida, there was no chance I was going to get my opponent to fold that hand after the turn, even if I shoved.
I’ve seen it said numerous times on various threads that you want these fish to call off their stacks on draws and second pairs, but sometimes they’re gonna hit. In the long run, you will make a lot of money off of them, but now and then they’re gonna felt you with a “suckout”.
Your villain also had an inside straight flush draw after the turn. Does Morongo have a high hand or bad beat jackpot? If so, it could also have compelled him to call your bet on the turn. When I used to play 1-2NL at PBKC in Florida, there was no chance I was going to get my opponent to fold that hand after the turn, even if I shoved.
I’ve seen it said numerous times on various threads that you want these fish to call off their stacks on draws and second pairs, but sometimes they’re gonna hit. In the long run, you will make a lot of money off of them, but now and then they’re gonna felt you with a “suckout”.
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CallmeFloppy
Legend
Bronze Level
In my opinion you went wrong by going all in on the river.
I don't think any bet would get this kid to fold the turn. I feel he was mentally committed once he hit top pair on the flop. Against another player who has a clue, I would say a larger bet may get them off the hand, but this kid is calling.
I believe he overvalues his hand and thinks he is slow playing you. He hits top pair on the flop and tries to act weak. He thinks he improves on the turn to two pair with a gut shot and pretends to tank. Then he hits his straight.
Obviously I was not at the table and may be way off, but from what you have provided on the hand and this players "skillset" I don't think you ever had a chance to win this hand due to the cards that played out.
I would have checked back the river.
I don't think any bet would get this kid to fold the turn. I feel he was mentally committed once he hit top pair on the flop. Against another player who has a clue, I would say a larger bet may get them off the hand, but this kid is calling.
I believe he overvalues his hand and thinks he is slow playing you. He hits top pair on the flop and tries to act weak. He thinks he improves on the turn to two pair with a gut shot and pretends to tank. Then he hits his straight.
Obviously I was not at the table and may be way off, but from what you have provided on the hand and this players "skillset" I don't think you ever had a chance to win this hand due to the cards that played out.
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cs_rlewis
Rock Star
Silver Level
You are out of position on the flop I would check call - You have middle pair on this flop, then check raise on turn.
As played on the river you have an easy check, 4 card straight and a flush on the board, your trips ain't looking too good here.
Either way your getting stacked in this hand. BB has top pair and a flush draw, no way he is folding.
As played on the river you have an easy check, 4 card straight and a flush on the board, your trips ain't looking too good here.
Either way your getting stacked in this hand. BB has top pair and a flush draw, no way he is folding.
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jadestem
Enthusiast
Silver Level
This is the biggest issue I see here. You are aware that villain has 30% equity. Are you aware that a bet of 40 into a pot of 86 gives him 24% pot odds? If his equity is greater than his pot odds then he IS getting the odds to call. And that doesn't even take into account the implied odds of getting value on the river if he hits, which he obviously did. I would suggest you study these topics a bit more.
Now if you are correct and you are reasonably certain that he is going to call even if you shove, then you have 2 choices: 1) Jam the turn and hope he doesn't catch. Even if he does, you know that you made a +EV play and in the long run you will profit. 2) Check the turn and get to the river as cheaply as possible. If he doesn't hit, hope to get some value.