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I guess I need to watch a couple of his videos...

pokerstars Game #14591351510: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/01/16 - 00:55:16 (ET)
Table 'Istria' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 2: Duff87 ($134.55 in chips)
Seat 4: ke*sc ($68.65 in chips)
Seat 5: threestars ($136.15 in chips)
Seat 6: DodgersIn07 ($53 in chips)
Seat 7: ChuckTs ($106.45 in chips)
Seat 8: CyOswalt ($100.10 in chips)
Seat 9: dudasdb ($54.95 in chips)
CyOswalt: posts small blind $0.50
dudasdb: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ke*sc [5h 5d]
Duff87: folds
ke*sc: raises $2 to $3
threestars: folds
DodgersIn07: folds
ChuckTs: raises $7.50 to $10.50
CyOswalt: folds
dudasdb: folds
ke*sc: calls $7.50
*** FLOP *** [4d 7h 2c]
ke*sc: checks
ChuckTs: bets $16
ke*sc: calls $16
*** TURN *** [4d 7h 2c] [2s]
ke*sc: checks
ChuckTs: bets $79.95 and is all-in
ke*sc: folds
ChuckTs collected $51.85 from pot
ChuckTs: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $54.50 | Rake $2.65
Board [4d 7h 2c 2s]
Seat 2: Duff87 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: ke*sc folded on the Turn
Seat 5: threestars folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: DodgersIn07 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: ChuckTs (button) collected ($51.85)
Seat 8: CyOswalt (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: dudasdb (big blind) folded before Flop


Think I should have called?
 
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Yes. Or no. Depends on who's point of view you're talking about :)
 
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Like I had said after watching a few of Chuck's videos I'll put him on an overpair there to fold. Can't offer much more analysis than that though :)
 
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I coulda swore I seen Chuck bet a king high like this before... but I'm looking at my hand history and can't find it... So maybe it was the person sitting there before him...
 
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Standard fold. He's repping an overpair and his range is basically either an overpair or a rather bold two-barrel bluff with AK/maybe AQ. If he's 3-betting liberally then maybe we can add lower pairs (and hence flopped sets) and stuff like KQs to his range. Given that he's got to be thinking you have a decent hand to be c/c'ing such a dry flop out of position, I doubt he fires the second barrel that often with AK/AQ here.
 
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Should have folded the flop, if not preflop. Esay fold here, at best he's still got 6 outs on the river and most of the time here you're drawing to 2 outs.
 
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Should have folded to his raise preflop. Your not getting the right implied odds to call and hope for a set here. Definite fold on the flop.
 
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Well this is one of the downsides to moving up in stakes; it seems I'm going to be running into more people who actually post hand histories for analysis. I hate to give you advice as to how to play better against me, but this one's pretty trivial imo. Everyone already summed it up pretty nicely anyways.

I coulda swore I seen Chuck bet a king high like this before... but I'm looking at my hand history and can't find it... So maybe it was the person sitting there before him...

I'm rarely making double barrel bluffs like this vs someone who's shown they have at least a pair and commit themselves to the pot as much as you did. After your flop call you have 42.15, and I'm giving you an inviting 2.3:1 on your money and am basically expecting a call, hence I probably have a hand that expects to be best.

I had QQ here.
 
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raise preflop from ep - 1st mistake (answer-limp)
calling his raise preflop from ep- 2nd mistake (fold)
calling his bet on flop after no set - 3rd mistake(fold)

You never wanna put any more money in from early position than it is necessary. with 55, u can't do anything on the flop when he raises and u miss.
 
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don't have to worry about mixing it up at these stakes. and also, avoid good players when u're in early position like it's a plague.
 
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raise preflop from ep - 1st mistake (answer-limp)
calling his raise preflop from ep- 2nd mistake (fold)
calling his bet on flop after no set - 3rd mistake(fold)


#1 raising pre flop with 55 in a cash game is acceptable

#2 Calling the re raise is perfect for pock 5's, chuck t is showing real strength therefore, set of fives = being stacked into = huge implied odds

#3 Flat calling flop is acceptable on the basis that if chuck t has a,k he may not fire on turn by callnig flop we can win the pot off a,k on the turn with less risk than raising flop and running into over pair
 
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#2 Calling the re raise is perfect for pock 5's, chuck t is showing real strength therefore, set of fives = being stacked into = huge implied odds

Because he is short stacked going into this hand calling this reraise is definatly not perfect even IF he can stack off chuck every time he hits a set this will be a losing play in the long run getting less than 7/1 odds.

Here is a good thread to check out for set mining odds https://www.cardschat.com/forum/general-poker-13/pocket-pair-97873/
 
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#1 raising pre flop with 55 in a cash game is acceptable

#2 Calling the re raise is perfect for pock 5's, chuck t is showing real strength therefore, set of fives = being stacked into = huge implied odds

#3 Flat calling flop is acceptable on the basis that if chuck t has a,k he may not fire on turn by callnig flop we can win the pot off a,k on the turn with less risk than raising flop and running into over pair

1) not terrible, but not great with a short stack. If you're raising small pairs in ep you have to be prepared to call a 3-bet, and hero here is too short to call and still be getting implied odds

2) shortstacked = no implied odds

3) calling the flop isn't terrible, but calling with the intention of folding the turn is. Stack size is key here.

The poster you quoted pretty much has it spot on.
 
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Terrible hand. Fold pre/flop. If you dont, and call the flop putting villian on overs (ak/aq), check/calling the flop is ok if your prepared to shove the turn. Otherwise the hand is total spew. Just fold pre-flop, and learn how to set mine with a full stack a little more effectively.
 
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<#1 raising pre flop with 55 in a cash game is acceptable> What is the purpose of putting more money in early position when u're going to fold to a big reraise preflop or even after the flop when flop blanks?

<#2 Calling the re raise is perfect for pock 5's, chuck t is showing real strength therefore, set of fives = being stacked into = huge implied odds> He flops sets what % of the time? and will chuckt really stack off if a king or an ace flops?

<#3 Flat calling flop is acceptable on the basis that if chuck t has a,k he may not fire on turn by callnig flop we can win the pot off a,k on the turn with less risk than raising flop and running into over pair>
Flat calling is acceptable in position. when u're out of position, u check and AK will fire again. once again, what % of the time will the other guy have AK in this spot?
 
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Hey switch0723, i see that u have 4 mtt wins. maybe u can give us some tips on how u approach the tournaments. like how u play short stack, monster stack, blinds small, blinds huge, when u bluff etc.?

thanks in advance
 
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It doesn't matter if ChuckTs stacks off every time we hit the set, OPs stack is too short to make calling the reraise preflop +EV.
 
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lol, ya don't really have to worry about giving me advice to play better against you chuck, I tend to avoid people I know (live, or from here). So unless you come to a game I'm already in, we probably won't be playing again. The only reason I posted this, was because it was against you, generally in these games people don't bet that hard with a hand like that, I figured if it was a pair it was Tens at best.

My theory in being in the hand was that you had AK or something similar, and if it was a low flop... like it was... that it would stay cheap after ya missed... which it didn't.
 
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The only reason I posted this, was because it was against you, generally in these games people don't bet that hard with a hand like that, I figured if it was a pair it was Tens at best.

Well this was an issue with stack sizes. After the flop call you've only got a fraction of the pot left in your stack, and against your range I was well ahead at this point with QQ so I was happy to stack.

fwiw with AK I'm slowing down on that turn most of the time unless I've got a very good read, which I didn't.
 
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Everyone ignore what i said, i hadnt read op properly so was unaware hero was shortstacked, therfore everything i said about his bet sizes and odds are all wrong


Hey switch0723, i see that u have 4 mtt wins. maybe u can give us some tips on how u approach the tournaments. like how u play short stack, monster stack, blinds small, blinds huge, when u bluff etc.?

thanks in advance

Way to general of a question. I play LAG throughout tourny and build my chipstack gradually rather than waiting for hands to double up. I very rarely go all in preflop until very deep in a tourny since i dont need to take the risks
 
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