$200 NLHE Full Ring: 87s hearts On the dealer button

[Beanfacekilla]

I wanted insight on what players thought the best possible outcome and scenario... Was it right to go all in on the flop? I changed it a little because by the time i did the second post i was curious about what if that happened?

If it was online i could've got it 100% and looked it up, but being Live game it was all about memory about 2 hrs in a 7-8 hr session... Anyways thanks Beanfacekilla your the reason why i'm aiming so high in poker. To beat people like you.

So at first you want input. I gave it. I said no disrespect. It is only my opinion.

Now you are a pro. You know your move was right (even though you can't even remember who bet what). Why are you posting asking for advice, if you already know the right play?

And furthermore, these percentages you speak of, are all based on KNOWING your opponent held A-K with no FD. You could not have known this at the time (during the hand). All you knew, was you had a low pair and an 8 high FD.

Obviously, now you are angry. You don't like my opinion. You don't like that i point out the fact you are posting one hand, with 2 different sets of details. And who won the pot anyway?

I don't care if you like my opinion. You posted the thread asking for input. Then, when you get it, you want to argue?

My opinion is shoving there is silly. What if villain has a bigger FD?

If you want to keep arguing, go right ahead.

 

[Aces2w1n]

You dont call this a strong draw? I wouldnt agree to SNAP shove but if you take the time to work out your equity you have over %50 so its a +EV shove. Most likely he will call and you got your money in good, and there is an outside chance he folds and you take a nice pot. I think the play was fine.

I think the only thing I could do to improve the scenario was to have 1 or 2 more players on the flop to help the EV+

Make sure the second guy calls which really gives me the value.
Ofc if I didn't shove and the turn came out anything but a heart and not 87... my percentage really diminishes and i'm then more of a 2:1 underdog.

 

[Yoshimiii]

Why can't villain have K/10 here or a set here? If he has these hands even a slight amount of time and we know he NEVER folds or makes plays here with draws, e.g. a straight draw then calling is better (maybe even folding if we miss turn), his bet size looks like a monster and not a draw as well. Also he check-min raises you into two players, imo A/K is the bottom of his range for doing this, this line by villain is so strong.

 

[RodneyC86]

You dont call this a strong draw? I wouldnt agree to SNAP shove but if you take the time to work out your equity you have over %50 so its a +EV shove. Most likely he will call and you got your money in good, and there is an outside chance he folds and you take a nice pot. I think the play was fine.

He did not have an FD on the other version....

 

[rw11687]

Btw, much as we all think suited connectors are beautiful, they really are pretty bad hands all around. If you're new to this I suggest avoiding them altogether and stick to premiums from EP and strongish broadways from late position, AND never call preflop.

I tend to disagree with this statement. In cash games, I think suited connectors can be very profitable. However, in order to be profitable they need to be managed very well after the flop. I agree beginners should probably stay away for the most part until they are more comfortable with their ability to make good decisions post-flop. Essentially, you need to be confident that you can accurately assess where you are in a hand on a regular basis. And you need to be confident in your ability to understand how the opposing player is likely to play the hand (given your initial read on their general range).

 

[JOEBOB69]

I tend to disagree with this statement. In cash games, I think suited connectors can be very profitable. However, in order to be profitable they need to be managed very well after the flop. I agree beginners should probably stay away for the most part until they are more comfortable with their ability to make good decisions post-flop. Essentially, you need to be confident that you can accurately assess where you are in a hand on a regular basis. And you need to be confident in your ability to understand how the opposing player is likely to play the hand (given your initial read on their general range).

Read this very well thought out thread by baudib.
https://www.cardschat.com/f49/lightbulb-moment-speculative-hands-201804/

 

[Samweis3]

cant understand your way of playing you should not bring that much money inn in hope to get the flush here when you are obviously behind....for me a fold on the flop

 

[JOEBOB69]

Last time. There are only 2 hands that MIGHT be in villains range that we don't want to see AhQh (which i doubt due to the fact he didn't 3bet pre but w/e) and AhJh. With these two hands villain is ahead about 56% to our 44%. LOL only two combos. with that said if villain has one of those 2 hands the EQ share we gain from the dead money would still make prob above a BE play(i'm not going to run the math).
Snap shove flop ainec

 

[Aces2w1n]

Last time. There are only 2 hands that MIGHT be in villains range that we don't want to see AhQh (which i doubt due to the fact he didn't 3bet pre but w/e) and AhJh. With these two hands villain is ahead about 56% to our 44%. LOL only two combos. with that said if villain has one of those 2 hands the EQ share we gain from the dead money would still make prob above a BE play(i'm not going to run the math).
Snap shove flop ainec

I didn't think that far with it... .he ended up having AsKc ... But it's true he would've reraised me. Nice point with the AhJh...or AhQh Plus it wouldn't really matter what i'd have if he hit a royal flush

And I promise to the guy who doubted me, but I actually put him on AK, he seemed to overvalue TPTK... Whats hellmuth in poker after dark.. The rope and he took it... But unfortunately it didn't latch.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Playing No limit 1/3 turbo at casino live.

Dealer My stack is 240 78h suited
SB 220
BB 350

Action to me I bet $12 that's the going price at that table at the time.
Both blinds call.
Kh 10h 8d comes out on the board.

SB checks, BB raises $20, I reraise to $60, SB reraises $120.
BB folds simple.. So I stop and think what he has I know he wont fold cuz my read on him was a calling station and he'll never fold. I reraise again and go all in ofc he calls.
I put him on AK and that's what he had, unfortunately my draws didn't come off Rather annoying... Any heart any 7 or 8 ...

says on my calculator I was at 32% to win and he was at %18.72

Was that the right play to get all my money in with that play on the flop? Whats your thoughts.

In live play many people do not have the patience to fold marginal hands. This may be due to several factors, some of which include: only seeing 25 hands/hour, what they see pros doing on tv, boredom, etc. I play live primarily. People are always playing BINGO.

7-8 suited is a very marginal hand. Being in position does help, but it is still going to need a ton of help from the board. And considering action on flop, A-K would be the absolute bottom of villains range here.

If you would have just played ABC and been patient, you wouldn't be making decisions for your stack OTF.

You should have folded preflop. Then you should have probably folded the flop. But, you got it all in, and shipped a huge pot to the villain.

All this could have been avoided by tossing the 7-8 suited in the muck preflop (which would have cost nothing).

 

[AlwaysPlanAhe]

I don't understand the reason for your small flop raise. With a combo hand like this which has a ton of equity but no immediate showdown potential then you want to be abusing fold equity as much as possible. I think an all in shove would be better than a small raise but I think call is best.

If you call then you can keep the small blind in the hand giving you even better odds to draw, what if he has AJ, AQ, QJ, JT, QT and thinks to himself, "I'm getting great odds so **** it I'll call the $20" then he hits his 2pr, str8 and you hit your flush.

If you hit 2pr, trips or flush on the turn then your hand is good a huge % of the time and you will have 2 villains to extract value from instead of just 1. I think if you're not going to abuse fold equity then you want to be increasing your chances of a payoff should you hit. The small raise was the worst thing you could have done apart from folding.

As for your current decision, I have you at around 36.6% hand equity and pot odds are 31.4% so you have to just shove and accept whatever you're up against.