$200 NLHE Full Ring: 87s hearts On the dealer button

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$200 NLHE Full Ring: Live Casino play

Playing No limit 1/3 turbo at casino live.

Dealer My stack is 240 78h suited
SB 220
BB 350

Action to me I bet $12 that's the going price at that table at the time.
Both blinds call.
Kh 10h 8d comes out on the board.

SB checks, BB raises $20, I reraise to $60, SB reraises $120.
BB folds simple.. So I stop and think what he has I know he wont fold cuz my read on him was a calling station and he'll never fold. I reraise again and go all in ofc he calls.
I put him on AK and that's what he had, unfortunately my draws didn't come off Rather annoying... Any heart any 7 or 8 ...

says on my calculator I was at 32% to win and he was at %18.72

Was that the right play to get all my money in with that play on the flop? Whats your thoughts.
 
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So the blinds 1/3 turbo at the casino

87s hearts is dealt to me on the button. *$240* stack
Action moves to me and raise $12 which was standard for the table.
SB *220* calls
BB *350* calls

Flop comes out Kh 8d 10h
SB raises $40, BB calls $40... Action to me.

Tell me your thoughts on what actions from here you should play... My read on the SB was if he'd hit he'll never fold, he was in a lot of pots but rarely ever folded. Reasonably tight.

BB read was he played quite a wide range but he'd be quite aggressive if he sensed weakness, He plays the players not the cards.


I'll reveal what unfolded on a later date
 
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Fold flop...your intention here is to steal and should that fail, flop a strong draw or fold. It's okay to cbet if they are letting you keep the initiative though, to rep a top pair.

Your 8 is going to shits versus 2 ppl what you claim to be regs on this board.


Btw, much as we all think suited connectors are beautiful, they really are pretty bad hands all around. If you're new to this I suggest avoiding them altogether and stick to premiums from EP and strongish broadways from late position, AND never call preflop. :) You don't need to get fancy even the slightest bit at 200NL live from what I gather.
 
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make it 9 pre. call flop. you have no fold equity.
 
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If you know he is a calling station you shouldn't be semi-bluffing/bluffing, you should just call to try and hit your draw then bet big and stack him if you do hit, otherwise just check/fold.
 
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You put him on A-K, and you chose to put your stack on the line when you are behind?

I don't think it was a good play at all. Fold equity is gone against a calling station. And furthermore, is he supposed to fold TPTK? He probably put you on a FD. People overplay flush draws all the time. And an 8 high FD?

I mean no disrespect (seriously, I am just being honest), but not a good way to get it in (IMVHO). You were just trying to suck out.
 
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Tempted to call, but it could become expensive, so I'd fold.
 
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My calculator has quite different numbers.
78h against AKs on flop Kh10h8d
78h has 52%
AK has 48%
no chance of tie

So its small EV+ for you to go all in against AK. But how sure you was about that AK? You should put him on some range, an other cards from his range put him much more ahead. Like if he had ace of hearts, that immediatelly give him 5% extra to win, and you are EV-. Any set or two pairs put him also a lot ahead, and he is calling station, do you see any cards where he raises and you have at least 60% to win? I dont.

With your 20$ raise, I would say you are not so pot commited to risk so much. So easy fold there.
 
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Why is there another thread by you, with exact same hand, but different details?
 
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He posted 2 similar hands with different scenarios? Why is that wrong
 
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make it 9 pre. call flop. you have no fold equity.

This is for both hands?

I'm down with this line.

I don't really see any reason to raise in the first hand at all especially against a calling station.
 
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*Not shoving over the $40 and 1 caller seems criminal *
Saying there is no fold eq is absurd.
Edit: i'm replying to hand #2 ????????? why is there 2 hands ???????
 
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My read on the SB was if he'd hit he'll never fold, he was in a lot of pots but rarely ever folded.

He's not folding according to this guy's read. He opened on the flop - a shove is certainly going to get called.
 
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He's not folding according to this guy's read. He opened on the flop - a shove is certainly going to get called.
well op doesn't even seem to know what happened during the hand,so forgive me if i don't believe in his reads.
Saying there is no fold eq is absurd.
Edit: i'm replying to hand #2 ????????? why is there 2 hands ???????
 
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well op doesn't even seem to know what happened during the hand,so forgive me if i don't believe in his reads.

Lol, well said bro.

Yea, without that info I'd be shoving this too.
 
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fwiw
if he showed you the AK you still should shove. OP has 52%eq vs AK add in the dead $52 from the other caller an it makes it a very good +ev play
 
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shoving flop is good with tons of dead money.
 
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I would've still went over the top knowing he had AK... That's what I think is great about the play.... Any heart any 7 or any 8 comes out and i'll have him crushed. I guess i'm willing to do monster moves and some more conservative players wouldn't see the appeal to this.


Perhaps next time though I should shove when theres a lot more dead money in the pot perhaps... So not enough action preflop maybe.
 
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He posted 2 similar hands with different scenarios? Why is that wrong

This used to be two different threads earlier. I believe they have been merged by mods perhaps.

I believe the OP posted the same hand twice, in two different threads. Same flop, same hole cards, but different details. I don't know what the point of this is. Even the stack sizes are identical.
 
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Well when I was posting the first one... A msg came up saying to read the rules, it didn't actually say it had been posted.
So i thought it hadn't been posted and i read the rules and then redid the post better the 2nd time to my ability... Oh well burn me for doing an error, and can we focus on the criticising of the hand and not on me doing an error with the posting... pathetic really.
 
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Well when I was posting the first one... A msg came up saying to read the rules, it didn't actually say it had been posted.
So i thought it hadn't been posted and i read the rules and then redid the post better the 2nd time to my ability... Oh well burn me for doing an error, and can we focus on the criticising of the hand and not on me doing an error with the posting... pathetic really.

That's just fine dude. I did give my opinion of hand also.

Crucial details are different between both threads (betting action on the flop for example).

It really makes me wonder why you post a hand for review, when you tell two totally different stories in each thread.

This is pathetic that I am pointing this out? I don't think so.
 
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I wanted insight on what players thought the best possible outcome and scenario... Was it right to go all in on the flop? I changed it a little because by the time i did the second post i was curious about what if that happened?

If it was online i could've got it 100% and looked it up, but being Live game it was all about memory about 2 hrs in a 7-8 hr session... Anyways thanks Beanfacekilla your the reason why i'm aiming so high in poker. To beat people like you.
 
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You put him on A-K, and you chose to put your stack on the line when you are behind?

I don't think it was a good play at all. Fold equity is gone against a calling station. And furthermore, is he supposed to fold TPTK? He probably put you on a FD. People overplay flush draws all the time. And an 8 high FD?

I mean no disrespect (seriously, I am just being honest), but not a good way to get it in (IMVHO). You were just trying to suck out.


Hmmm doesn't change a thing with 15 outs??? i was at 2 to 1 to win on the flop even though i was behind... 32% and he was at 16%
 
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Fold flop...your intention here is to steal and should that fail, flop a strong draw or fold.

You dont call this a strong draw? I wouldnt agree to SNAP shove but if you take the time to work out your equity you have over %50 so its a +EV shove. Most likely he will call and you got your money in good, and there is an outside chance he folds and you take a nice pot. I think the play was fine.
 
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