$10 NLHE 6-max: AQs deepstacked(for real this time), UTG raise

bgomez89

bgomez89

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Hero (BB): $23.00
UTG: $24.06
MP: $1.57
CO: $11.74
BTN: $10.00
SB: $19.42

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with A
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Q
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UTG raises to $0.31, 4 folds, Hero raises to $1.10, UTG calls $0.79

Flop: ($2.25) A
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5
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6
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(2 players)
Hero bets $1.60, UTG calls $1.60

Turn: ($5.45) 2
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Hero checks, UTG checks

River: ($5.45) 7
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Hero ???

Ok so villain's stats are 26/24/33afq, Fold to 3bet is 50%(3/6), his vpip/pfr from UTG is 7/7 but only over 14 hands, total hands i have on him: 110. Not sure how to play deep so I don't know if i should 3bet more when im deepstacked or less. What do i do on the river?
 
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Deceitful_Frank

Rock Star
I doubt his fold to 3-bet stat is of much use yet.

His PFR is a little small and on the perculiar side and given his positional awareness looks quite strong to me. OOP I would have made the 3-bet to like $1.30 given his slightly laggy stats.

I think the c-bet is fine given the size of the pot. The turn card makes little difference but I geuss you were check-calling/folding for pot control?

The river doesn't really worry me either. In this spot I would be a little worried about AK. If you check he might perceive weakness and bet in to you with a worse hand. I would probably put in a strong value/blocking bet and fold to a raise... say $3?

Can I also get VPIP/PFR stats for UTG with PT3? I haven't been able to find that option.
 
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KardKlub

KardKlub

Visionary
I think I want to see a showdown so seen as I checked the turn I'll check the river and call any bet pot sized or lower. Gives villain a chance to bluff if he wants.

If he checks behind I'm not loosing sleep over the missed value if he paired a 7 etc
 
ben_rhyno

ben_rhyno

Legend
After checking back the turn I think we can be sure we are ahead so I bet $3-4 for value or check/call anything he fires. I prefer the value bet though.
Also I would fire the turn
 
ben_rhyno

ben_rhyno

Legend
You would really call a $21 all-in here without TPTK?

I think if he raises a $3 blocking/value bet you can be sure you are behind.
Should have rephrased it to: call anything normal, like between $3-5. Obv we can't call a 4x pot spaz shove with 1 pair, not even AK
 
forsakenone

forsakenone

Legend
ok, so here is my thinking. you cbet, guy calls, checks turn behind, his range (since he called 3bet preflop) JJ AQ AJ maybe, AT, TT could also be. tags like this don't fold to 1 cbet on the flop just because an overpair flopped, so i would bet the river, fold to any reraise.

also i don't mind firing the turn.
 
PattyR

PattyR

Cardschat Elite
since he raised pre im anything from small pp to AJ to maybe even JJ would be in his range...since he flatted your re raise it would seem if he had a pair its not too big or he would have 4 bet you.

That said i think we can fire on turn and river b/c we're most likely ahead here
 
ben_rhyno

ben_rhyno

Legend
I agree, I like to fire the turn and river aswell, but as played, 100% bet the river, because he won't bet 99-JJ but will probably call a medium sized vlaue bet
 
WVHillbilly

WVHillbilly

Legend
Doesn't AK usually 4bet preflop? That said I can't see him betting very often when checked to here at all. I think he has a lot of hands he wants to SD and very few hands that he would raise on the river for value. So I'd certainly be betting the river and hoping he's curious enough to look us up with his 88-JJ. Even if he has AK he's not going to be raising it on the river most of the time. I also bet a decent amount probably like $3.75.
 
Stu_Ungar

Stu_Ungar

Legend
I think I want to see a showdown so seen as I checked the turn I'll check the river and call any bet pot sized or lower. Gives villain a chance to bluff if he wants.

If he checks behind I'm not loosing sleep over the missed value if he paired a 7 etc

Why would you do that?

It just dosent make any sense to play the hand this way.

Your profit comes from value. The reason you raise an UTG open with a hand like AQs is for value, you can never 3bet this hand pre as a bluff. So having made the decision that AQs can be 3bet for value, why would you then check 2 streets?

It just makes no sense.

If you dont think you can get at least 2 streets of value from AQ against an UTG open DONT 3BET IT!
 
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Deceitful_Frank

Rock Star

I know what I wrote.

If hero IP makes a blocking bet and villain OOP and therfore last to act raises that bet, hero can fold with confidence that he is behind.

LOL one of us really needs that coffee.

I neither said nor implied that villain was ever firing a blocking bet.

Are you trying to goad me again?
 
Stu_Ungar

Stu_Ungar

Legend
Why would hero make a blocking bet in this situation?

This is a 120% value bet..

Given the wat the hand plays out we can pretty much rule out sets and 2pair.. he dosent want to play for a big pot so if he has a big hand he made it on the river.

There are 2 Straight draws that came in but they involve hands unlikely to be in villians calling range.

So essentially we are looking at a range of AK and PPs and maybe AJ

I like the check on the turn as it keeps in many PPs

So Given here is an ace on the board and one in our hand there are 8 ways he can have AK. Given we have a Queen in our hand there are 9 ways he can have KK or QQ (we are ahead)

If we then add JJ and TT to the mix there are 8 ways he can beat us and now 21 ways we beat him.

If he can find a river call with AJ there are now 29 ways we win and only 8 we are behind.

We are ahead, hence our bet should be for value.

There is just no way we could make a blocking bet in this situation hence I (wrongly) assumed you thought he would fire a blocking bet if we checked.

If he raises our VALUE bet we can fold, being as blocking bets are generally smaller than value bets in this situation its worth knowing weather or not we are betting for value or betting for thin value (and this isnt thin!)
 
KardKlub

KardKlub

Visionary
Why would you do that?

It just dosent make any sense to play the hand this way.

Your profit comes from value. The reason you raise an UTG open with a hand like AQs is for value, you can never 3bet this hand pre as a bluff. So having made the decision that AQs can be 3bet for value, why would you then check 2 streets?

It just makes no sense.

If you dont think you can get at least 2 streets of value from AQ against an UTG open DONT 3BET IT!

I wouldn't raise aq against utg as standard. As you might have noticed this is not my hand. I hate folding aq to 4 bets against utg's so calling is my standard to this type of villain.

And as for checking the river. Not many players are good enough to know if you check the turn and miss a villians bet you should check the river. I have found like others that over the long term you earn more value from this play.

I'd normally raise the river bet but this time I just don't see why we should.

Hope that that small explanation helps. It's an advanced play.

Although I'm not against betting out on the river, I just don't see a call here. But that's just me and my opinion.
 
Stu_Ungar

Stu_Ungar

Legend
I wouldn't raise aq against utg as standard. As you might have noticed this is not my hand. I hate folding aq to 4 bets against utg's so calling is my standard to this type of villain.

And as for checking the river. Not many players are good enough to know if you check the turn and miss a villians bet you should check the river. I have found like others that over the long term you earn more value from this play.

I'd normally raise the river bet but this time I just don't see why we should.

Hope that that small explanation helps. It's an advanced play.

Although I'm not against betting out on the river, I just don't see a call here. But that's just me and my opinion.
So what you are saying is that villian folds QQ here?
 
bgomez89

bgomez89

Resident Thugmaster
I doubt his fold to 3-bet stat is of much use yet.

His PFR is a little small and on the perculiar side and given his positional awareness looks quite strong to me. OOP I would have made the 3-bet to like $1.30 given his slightly laggy stats.

I think the c-bet is fine given the size of the pot. The turn card makes little difference but I geuss you were check-calling/folding for pot control?

The river doesn't really worry me either. In this spot I would be a little worried about AK. If you check he might perceive weakness and bet in to you with a worse hand. I would probably put in a strong value/blocking bet and fold to a raise... say $3?

Can I also get VPIP/PFR stats for UTG with PT3? I haven't been able to find that option.
Just look villain up in the search bar and then click the "positions" tab
 
-Phil Ivey27

-Phil Ivey27

Visionary
I like the check on the turn here because it sets you up for a perfect river bet where he will call with a worse hand such as AJ, PP, etc. Therefore, you HAVE to bet the river here. I don't see any sense in checking both the turn and the river, this is playing extremely passive poker. Also, 87s is not out of the realm of possibility here as well.
 
KardKlub

KardKlub

Visionary
So what you are saying is that villian folds QQ here?

What I'm saying is that when the turn goes check check, the river bet is almost always for value. Check your poker tracker and see.

Checking the river gets us another bet when villains decides to bluff or value ax or jj etc.

Like I said I'm not against betting out,
It's just another option and one that requires thinking to be outside the box.
 
Stu_Ungar

Stu_Ungar

Legend
What I'm saying is that when the turn goes check check, the river bet is almost always for value. Check your poker tracker and see.

Checking the river gets us another bet when villains decides to bluff or value ax or jj etc.

Like I said I'm not against betting out,
It's just another option and one that requires thinking to be outside the box.

This just dosent make any sense.
 
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