River Betting (Day 12 Course Discussion)

#1 April 15th, 2020, 7:37 PM

Find the crucial question you should ask yourself when you are considering River Betting.

If you have not yet read Day 12 and watched the video for Day 12 - take a few minutes now to do that and then come back here to discuss it:

River Betting

Collin says that all river bets or raises are fundamentally value bets or bluffs. Let us know what you think about this and what you learned about betting on the river. Do you have any questions for Collin or Katie on this topic?

River Betting (Day 12 Course Discussion)

River Betting (Day 12 Course Discussion)

#2 April 24th, 2020, 11:01 PM

I may have learned something here. I try to never let anyone get a free-ride unless I have a high flush draw in the the making so I always bet out if I have something. When the river comes up, at this point everyone should have something or should have missed something.
It's a coin toss as to whether I should bet out or just check...this is highly contingent on who is at the river with me.
Perhaps I've been too aggressive because my usual approach is to have priced everyone out at the river and bet accordingly. I have slow-played monster hands to the end as well because I sometimes had a suspicion that another "lurker-in-the-weeds" was doing the same thing.

#3 May 2nd, 2020, 7:40 PM

Good one too.
Just a question:
In the pocket fives hand, do you think that our opponent would have played any 9x hand differently? Are we really bluff-catching if we call or just paying off a better hand?

#4 May 5th, 2020, 10:21 PM

Psycho, yes we are bluff-catching if we call there. He hasn't shown a lot of strength; he could absolutely be bluffing; we likely beat all of his bluffs; and we will definitely show a profit by calling in the long run even though sometimes he'll have 9X or another hand that beats us.

Hope that helps!

#5 May 6th, 2020, 1:06 PM

Finished Day #12.

River betting is one of the very fundamental and crucial concepts for winning poker. It really needs a lot of practice, countless failed river bets, and brutal patience till someone can claim that they've "mastered" this concept.

I also think that it's even more important for cash games.

My answer to today's quiz:

I would not put a bet here. 4way pot at the river, what worse hands could call a bet? An A10? An A5s? A KQ? Very difficult, bearing in mind that players limped preflop, so I think with that type of hands, at least one player would have made a raise pre. Also I don't think that there are many hands better than my hand, that would fold here. Definitely not any 9x hand, not the good Jx top pair hands, A8/K8 hands, especially if we make a small blocking type of bet here of ~25-35% of the pot.

Tomorrow with Day #13.

#6 May 6th, 2020, 7:48 PM

Originally Posted by Luvart

Finished Day #12.

River betting is one of the very fundamental and crucial concepts for winning poker. It really needs a lot of practice, countless failed river bets, and brutal patience till someone can claim that they've "mastered" this concept.

I also think that it's even more important for cash games.

My answer to today's quiz:

I would not put a bet here. 4way pot at the river, what worse hands could call a bet? An A10? An A5s? A KQ? Very difficult, bearing in mind that players limped preflop, so I think with that type of hands, at least one player would have made a raise pre. Also I don't think that there are many hands better than my hand, that would fold here. Definitely not any 9x hand, not the good Jx top pair hands, A8/K8 hands, especially if we make a small blocking type of bet here of ~25-35% of the pot.

Tomorrow with Day #13.

Agree with both your quiz answers and your comment on today's lesson! It is a very powerful one, despite seemingly simple.

I've often had a difficult choice on the river and I find this one lesson will be very helpful in this regard. No more 'Oh my God, they've just made their xxx, should I bet anyway or check/call/fold?', or 'Shit I missed all my 15 outs! Now what?' lol - Now at least I have a much better and more logical approach to dealing with the river "WWHD?" River Betting (Day 12 Course Discussion)

"Are there better hands that will fold or worse that will call?" is a MUCH better question to ask myself - can't wait to try it out!

#7 May 6th, 2020, 8:23 PM

I really liked the thoughts on how to bet on the river because I always thought about my hand (I know it's a mistake), but what is right is what the opponent can have hands or what he demonstrated during the flop, turn or river?

I know that it is still very difficult for me to call bluffs or worse hands outside the standard of betting because I still don't know if the villain played a slow game or really has nothing, let's say I'm still in the dangerous percentage of 60% of hits.

Improving the villain's range is necessary to make the right decision in the end.

About the concept of the worst hands to call, I really improved my game a lot when I started using it, but about the worst hands folding didn't. In games where I always play better hands, I payed but I noticed that this is directly linked to the villain's style and if his stack covers me.

I think with a better stack and showing (at least for the table) that you really play good hands I think you will have more productivity on the river. River Betting (Day 12 Course Discussion)

#8 May 10th, 2020, 1:24 PM

Originally Posted by cferdi

Agree with both your quiz answers and your comment on today's lesson! It is a very powerful one, despite seemingly simple.

I've often had a difficult choice on the river and I find this one lesson will be very helpful in this regard. No more 'Oh my God, they've just made their xxx, should I bet anyway or check/call/fold?', or 'Shit I missed all my 15 outs! Now what?' lol - Now at least I have a much better and more logical approach to dealing with the river "WWHD?" River Betting (Day 12 Course Discussion)

"Are there better hands that will fold or worse that will call?" is a MUCH better question to ask myself - can't wait to try it out!

Definitely a powerful one! Haha yes I definitely know what you mean on that river thought process, we've all been there in the heat of the moment River Betting (Day 12 Course Discussion)

Originally Posted by jeanpierre1279

I really liked the thoughts on how to bet on the river because I always thought about my hand (I know it's a mistake), but what is right is what the opponent can have hands or what he demonstrated during the flop, turn or river?

I know that it is still very difficult for me to call bluffs or worse hands outside the standard of betting because I still don't know if the villain played a slow game or really has nothing, let's say I'm still in the dangerous percentage of 60% of hits.

Improving the villain's range is necessary to make the right decision in the end.

About the concept of the worst hands to call, I really improved my game a lot when I started using it, but about the worst hands folding didn't. In games where I always play better hands, I payed but I noticed that this is directly linked to the villain's style and if his stack covers me.

I think with a better stack and showing (at least for the table) that you really play good hands I think you will have more productivity on the river. River Betting (Day 12 Course Discussion)

Go based on what they've demonstrated through their betting patterns and tendencies. Sticking with that hand reading / ranging process will give you the best results!

#9 May 10th, 2020, 5:59 PM

Hello CCers,

This topic is very important and I like the use of the question, it is simple but an effective self-checking mechanism.

"If I bet or raise here, what better hands will fold or what worse hands will call?"

Thinking about you own thought process and looking at things from the villain's perspective is quite important and can have you sell a bluff or get the maximum value from villain.

Response to video question:

As played I would check the river, since there are three villains and I believe that better hands will not fold and worse hands that have not connected with the board should fold to any bet.

Hero should hope for a miracle here and understand that with so many villains in the hand, this increases the odds that someone caught bottom or middle pair and are sitting tight in wait for a bluff.

Very good food for thought here. Nice chapter.

#10 May 10th, 2020, 9:11 PM

The river is the street in were we win or louse the most off our money,because the pot is generally big by this stage, and that is the key question,wish beater hands will fold and wish worse hand will call,is there any worse hand(some time the range off the vilain in river dont his booton hands he has foldem allready).
I have to manny dificulties by stracting value in river,do i bet and get paid by worse hands,or do a check to let the vilains missdraws bluff me? i found it very hard to read,

#11 May 10th, 2020, 10:55 PM

Hi guys,

First, thanks for the guide. So far, I've found it really helpful and informative.

I was wondering if you might be able to elaborate on the statement about "...We think we have the worst hand and want the better hand to fold, or we have the best hand and want the worse hand to call. If neither of these apply, you should be checking, calling, or folding." Specifically, I'm a little confused about the second answer about shoving with K9 - why would we shove if we think we have the best hand with top pair, when above it says we should want a worse hand to call us? Or am I incorrectly assuming that we are thinking we have the best hand with K9 in this situation?

Sorry if this question is confusing. I'm really kind of having a hard time wrapping my head around this chapter.

#12 May 11th, 2020, 4:43 PM

Disregard my above question. I think I have it.

#13 May 13th, 2020, 12:26 AM

Another solid lesson today. I knew about protection betting, but I learned the connotationally-speaking difference between this and an Equity Denial Bet. I thought they were always the same thing, but now I know that Equity Denial Betting is more to get "any two random cards" to fold (since they still have decent equity against us) and protection betting is more guarding against specifics (like draws or overcards).

#14 May 15th, 2020, 9:48 PM

Thank you for these video.
i really appreciate the question i learn to ask myself before betting in the river.
i think it's a question tool to win more when you can and don't waste money too.

very exciting to apply what i learn in every day course River Betting (Day 12 Course Discussion)

#15 May 18th, 2020, 9:58 PM

Originally Posted by freddydr87

The river is the street in were we win or louse the most off our money,because the pot is generally big by this stage, and that is the key question,wish beater hands will fold and wish worse hand will call,is there any worse hand(some time the range off the vilain in river dont his booton hands he has foldem allready).
I have to manny dificulties by stracting value in river,do i bet and get paid by worse hands,or do a check to let the vilains missdraws bluff me? i found it very hard to read,

It's difficult to know the answer to this for sure! Usually you want to just bet for value, but be a lot more inclined to check + induce bluffs if there are many missed draws.

Originally Posted by Phoenix Wright

Another solid lesson today. I knew about protection betting, but I learned the connotationally-speaking difference between this and an Equity Denial Bet. I thought they were always the same thing, but now I know that Equity Denial Betting is more to get "any two random cards" to fold (since they still have decent equity against us) and protection betting is more guarding against specifics (like draws or overcards).

Yes exactly Phoenix, well said!

#16 May 27th, 2020, 2:08 PM

The day 12 of this course it s about river betting witch for me and my poker lessons it s very important,because in the river you lose some bankroll and your management it s down.I really appeciate this course and you must be cautious for betting in the river .Thanks Cardschat and Kollin& Katie for this course,I wait another course in the future River Betting (Day 12 Course Discussion)

#17 May 28th, 2020, 2:45 PM

This concept makes the game on the river more thoughtful. As practice shows, when no one has a hit, the bank will be taken by the one who makes the first bet.
Quiz:
Board: 9d8hJs4h9c
We determine the best hands - 4x; 8x; Jx; 9x; 22+; 710; 10Q; AK.
Question: Which of the listed hands will fold if there is a bet in the pot size?
Based on the passive draw, none of the listed hands will fold, i.e. there is no fold equity.
If the raise size is 4 pots –610 chips, then they will probably fold: 4x; 8x; 22; 33; 55-77; 1010.
Given that this is the beginning of the tournament and only 30 chips have been invested in the bank, this risk will not be justified. Therefore, you should not bet so that the best hands are discarded.
We identify the possible worst hands: Qx, Kx, Aх, excluding the best hands listed above.
Which of the worst hands will call a bet of 2/3 pot or 100 chips?
Most likely only hands with Ax and QK.
Therefore, it is not advisable to bet to get called from the worst hand.
Therefore, it is better to play here through the check.

#18 June 1st, 2020, 4:20 PM

I have two questions about todays video:

1. At minute 9:37, the hand where we have a set of 9 and the A hits the river. How would you like a check instead of value betting ourself? I think most of the times he bets if he holds an A anyway and that way we could also induce a bluff and simple check-raise the river.

2. At the last hand, you said that you would Raise to 200 vs two limpers (we are in the SB, Blinds are 15/30). I thought that to be surprisingly big and would rather raise to maximal 135 or 150. What is the purpose to bet that big?

PS: Really enjoyed these videos and actually made an account here because of them, keep them coming!

#19 June 1st, 2020, 4:38 PM

Originally Posted by VolJir

I have two questions about todays video:

1. At minute 9:37, the hand where we have a set of 9 and the A hits the river. How would you like a check instead of value betting ourself? I think most of the times he bets if he holds an A anyway and that way we could also induce a bluff and simple check-raise the river.

2. At the last hand, you said that you would Raise to 200 vs two limpers (we are in the SB, Blinds are 15/30). I thought that to be surprisingly big and would rather raise to maximal 135 or 150. What is the purpose to bet that big?

PS: Really enjoyed these videos and actually made an account here because of them, keep them coming!

Glad to hear that, thanks Voljir!

1. If he has an ace, the problem is that a lot of players will shut down with 4 to a straight on board even though it's unlikely we hold a 3. So it's usually better to value bet ourselves instead of giving him the opportunity to check back. Against some players though, like very aggro opponents, checking is the best play.

2. I think that 135 would be great sizing with position. Out of position, we need to raise larger to give our opponents worse odds to call and play against us when they'll have position post-flop. With that said, you're right that 200 is on the big side and 150 would be good too. I wouldn't go smaller than that in this spot again just because we're OOP.

Great questions, thanks for posting.

#20 June 7th, 2020, 1:40 AM

Excellent article, many times, you have to turn your hand into a bluff in order to win the hand, and you have to know when to bluff, this article has helped me a lot.

I don't totally agree with this (Collin says that all river bets or raises are fundamentally value bets or bluffs.), Many players who don't know how to play sometimes make crazy river bets, they practically turn their value hand into a bluff, so It is difficult to play against these types of players.

I remember a hand. BB600, I was at BB with A6o, a limp from utg, all the other fold players.
The flop was 838, turn 3, and river 6, on the flop and turn was check, check, in the pot there were about 2000 chips.
I decide to check on the river, and the villain bets 3000 chips, I thought he was bluffing, and I call, but the villain shows A8o. River Betting (Day 12 Course Discussion)

I was surprised by the size of his bet, I would think that a good player wants to get value out of his hand, but he practically turned his hand into a bluff.

#21 June 9th, 2020, 4:54 PM

Originally Posted by ammje

Excellent article, many times, you have to turn your hand into a bluff in order to win the hand, and you have to know when to bluff, this article has helped me a lot.

I don't totally agree with this (Collin says that all river bets or raises are fundamentally value bets or bluffs.), Many players who don't know how to play sometimes make crazy river bets, they practically turn their value hand into a bluff, so It is difficult to play against these types of players.

I remember a hand. BB600, I was at BB with A6o, a limp from utg, all the other fold players.
The flop was 838, turn 3, and river 6, on the flop and turn was check, check, in the pot there were about 2000 chips.
I decide to check on the river, and the villain bets 3000 chips, I thought he was bluffing, and I call, but the villain shows A8o. River Betting (Day 12 Course Discussion)

I was surprised by the size of his bet, I would think that a good player wants to get value out of his hand, but he practically turned his hand into a bluff.

There are some more obscure reasons to bet or raise the river. For example, a player bets multi-way, and you raise to knock out the third player and get heads-up against the initial bettor. But in the vast majority of situations, river bets or raises should be for value or to bluff.

With that said, your opponents can have any reason for betting/raising the river: Because it's fun, they're showing off for a friend who's sitting next to them, or just without giving it much thought at all.

So there's definitely a distinction between correct/sound play and what you can expect a lot of players to do in a good game that's worth playing River Betting (Day 12 Course Discussion)

#22 June 15th, 2020, 11:45 PM

After the efforts of the previous streets the final result appears! It is the river, a victory or a defeat!

#23 June 16th, 2020, 2:43 AM

Hello CCers,

I am a little worried these days with the high frequency of talking to myself. But I do like the results of many of my decisions when I do ask myself the important question on the river;

Which worst hand will call me?
Which better hand I can get to fold?

These questions really help me to think critically to get the right bet sizing or the big laydown in some situations. I try not to take too long to get my thoughts together and it really helps if I think ahead. Many times, I think my opponents go with the flow of the game and do not stop to review the action in many spots and this works out in my favour more often than not.

Truth be told, I get a bit too much pleasure from getting villain to fold instead of enticing the call of a small bet size on the river. This is an area of my game that I need to improve. I have seen many players happily collect 1 BB on the river holding the nuts, instead of scaring their opponents away with a shove or a huge pot bet. This is something I should incorporate in my game and tournaments as well.

#24 June 16th, 2020, 1:26 PM

Originally Posted by redboy23

Hello CCers,

I am a little worried these days with the high frequency of talking to myself. But I do like the results of many of my decisions when I do ask myself the important question on the river;

Which worst hand will call me?
Which better hand I can get to fold?

These questions really help me to think critically to get the right bet sizing or the big laydown in some situations. I try not to take too long to get my thoughts together and it really helps if I think ahead. Many times, I think my opponents go with the flow of the game and do not stop to review the action in many spots and this works out in my favour more often than not.

Truth be told, I get a bit too much pleasure from getting villain to fold instead of enticing the call of a small bet size on the river. This is an area of my game that I need to improve. I have seen many players happily collect 1 BB on the river holding the nuts, instead of scaring their opponents away with a shove or a huge pot bet. This is something I should incorporate in my game and tournaments as well.

I'm so glad to hear you're talking to yourself like this! River Betting (Day 12 Course Discussion)

Even though it may make us feel slightly crazy lol, it is so important to do. Before long you'll be automatically thinking about these questions at the correct moment without even having to vocalize them. It will feel great when one day you realize you're doing all of it without manually having to process it.

Well done, redboy!

#25 June 20th, 2020, 1:55 PM

Another great day on the training course. In line with the comments of RedBoy above, the idea of asking yourself these questions is important, but more importantly providing a response to the questions which shows that you have thought through the possibilities and come to an informed decision. Speaking to yourself is a good thing in these situations and helps you to perfect your game.

Thanks

#26 June 23rd, 2020, 7:26 PM

In home games, I have seen people way too often bet 'incorrectly' on the river and end up surprised when people called with better hands. A lot of recreational players (in my opinion) do not think about showdown value enough (or at all) when considering river betting.

#27 June 24th, 2020, 12:13 PM

I often forgot to ask the main question on the river, and sometimes I did not have enough time to answer. Practice improves this skill, but more slowly than desired. It’s hard for me to answer it every time more than four tables are played. This question really helps to think about part of the villain’s range instead his full range.

#28 June 24th, 2020, 1:52 PM

Originally Posted by iveyfan

In home games, I have seen people way too often bet 'incorrectly' on the river and end up surprised when people called with better hands. A lot of recreational players (in my opinion) do not think about showdown value enough (or at all) when considering river betting.

I totally agree that this is something recreational players often don't pay enough attention to, and is extremely important to being a winning player River Betting (Day 12 Course Discussion)

#29 July 7th, 2020, 4:14 PM

This value bet with a pair of 9 on the river with the set formed was interesting against AK, considering that hardly the opponent would have the 3 to make a straight.

#30 July 27th, 2020, 2:04 AM

Sometimes it is a very difficult decision to bet on the river or not, especially if there is a big pot on the table if we think that our hand is not so strong. Making a bluff there can cost you more chips. Sometimes both players settle for simply checking.

#31 July 27th, 2020, 7:48 AM

Originally Posted by Katie Dozier

I totally agree that this is something recreational players often don't pay enough attention to, and is extremely important to being a winning player River Betting (Day 12 Course Discussion)

Absolutely true. I can not count the times, I have checked the river with a showdown value type hand like second pair, faced a bet and decided to make the call only to get shown a hand like third pair, where I was like "why on earth did he bet???".

#32 July 30th, 2020, 12:04 AM

“If I bet or raise here, what better hands will fold, and
what worse hands will call?”

I think many times the novice players 've not make question about these Two Purposes:

"The purpose of value bets is getting worse hands to call.
The purpose of bluffs is getting better hands to fold." (Moshman and Dozier. 2020)

And sometimes they thinking hard to fold one good pair that achieved on flop. Also some player don't know like cbet p�s flop, turn and river. They stay blinds because getting a good pair or set no flop. Hown don't identify the vilain's profile, and do make notes, look the scenario.

This away I think should questions about the purposes of betting and recognize our status in the game, if are willing for that batle and your risks.

#33 July 30th, 2020, 11:10 PM

The river is the street in were we win or louse the most off our money,because the pot is generally big by this stage, and that is the key question,wish beater hands will fold and wish worse hand will call,is there any worse hand(some time the range off the vilain in river dont his booton hands he has foldem allready).
I have to manny dificulties by stracting value in river,do i bet and get paid by worse hands,or do a check to let the vilains missdraws bluff me? i found it very hard to read,

#34 August 1st, 2020, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by freddydr87

The river is the street in were we win or louse the most off our money,because the pot is generally big by this stage, and that is the key question,wish beater hands will fold and wish worse hand will call,is there any worse hand(some time the range off the vilain in river dont his booton hands he has foldem allready).
I have to manny dificulties by stracting value in river,do i bet and get paid by worse hands,or do a check to let the vilains missdraws bluff me? i found it very hard to read,

Good question. Checking to induce a bluff is best when there are lots of busted draws.

Rule of Thumb:

If you're unsure whether to check to induce bluffs or just bet yourself for value, then bet.

#35 September 24th, 2020, 10:08 PM

Another great chapter. Fantastic to have a process to consider ever time on the river. I will definitely have to do more work on differentiating showdown value hands and value hands to bet.
Peace!

#36 October 7th, 2020, 10:11 PM

The river in poker is the final stage of the hand and often the most important. Keep in mind that on this street you can use the entire Arsenal of tactics and bluffs, as in the previous stages. The ability to read the opponent's hands, a competent assessment of the strength of your hand, and skills to build up the Bank will play an important role in success. As shown in this lesson!
Was always afraid to put on the river, mostly I went ollin, seeing river or folder. I hope that over time, having played a large number of hands, I will be able to cope with practice.

Life is a game , play beautiful

#37 October 7th, 2020, 11:21 PM

Very neat stuff here, Ill have to relook at some of these. I very bad at the river. As I want to incorporate more BET-FOLD lines to river (Ed Miller stresses it). Trouble when I start these what hands I beat and dont etc. I find I have trouble convincing myself what I do beat and dont at certain points LOL!!

#38 October 7th, 2020, 11:25 PM

Statistically I river bet (bluff) only when I'm last to act and they people confront have done 2 checks in a row OR if I have worst hand and know if I flip over I will lose since I have low cards, then I'll try to value bet and it works.

#39 October 8th, 2020, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by ZenGreen

Very neat stuff here, Ill have to relook at some of these. I very bad at the river. As I want to incorporate more BET-FOLD lines to river (Ed Miller stresses it). Trouble when I start these what hands I beat and dont etc. I find I have trouble convincing myself what I do beat and dont at certain points LOL!!

River bet-folding can be a great line, particularly against passive opponents. The reason is that they can call with lots of hands so your bet will get good value. But when they raise, this shows a lot of strength (as late street raises generally do from many player types) so you can fold unless youre very strong.

#40 October 22nd, 2020, 7:15 PM

It always have been a great doubt for me the river actions, liked it very much how he explored that subject on the class, gave a lot to think for my future rivers and I'm really excited about play them from now on.

#41 November 10th, 2020, 5:23 PM

Analyze when betting or raising the river... When betting if your opponent folds, you realize your fold equity, on the contrary the opponent who loses his pot equity.

#42 November 11th, 2020, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by carmenzu

Analyze when betting or raising the river... When betting if your opponent folds, you realize your fold equity, on the contrary the opponent who loses his pot equity.

That's very true, anytime it turns out your fold equity was 100% that means your opponent's equity in the pot fell to 0%. I like that way of looking at it River Betting (Day 12 Course Discussion)

#43 December 9th, 2020, 10:58 AM

The purpose of value bets is getting worse hands to call. The purpose of bluffs is getting
better hands to fold.
Very often it happens when on the river we start to doubt that we are still ahead. For example.
We have River Betting (Day 12 Course Discussion)

.
Flop:

. We bet, the villain calls.
Turn: River Betting (Day 12 Course Discussion)

. We bet, the villain calls.
River: River Betting (Day 12 Course Discussion)

The Board looks very dangerous. Maybe we were long behind. The worst villain hands to call are a ten with a bad kicker, a pair of sixes, or A-high, but a lot of other hands beat us. I would like to ask about terminology. Our bet on the river is value bet in this case? or is it a bluff? And is there a reason to bet here?

#44 December 9th, 2020, 1:53 PM

Great question Vallet.

It could be either a bluff or value bet depending on the situation. For example, if it's a blind-vs-blind spot and we're up against an opponent who never folds, you could value bet KT here.

If you raised UTG and got called by a tight player in mid position, firing this third barrel would definitely be turning our hand into a bluff.

In most situations though, I would just check here since KT has plenty of showdown value without being good enough to value bet.

#45 December 11th, 2020, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by Collin Moshman

Great question Vallet.

It could be either a bluff or value bet depending on the situation. For example, if it's a blind-vs-blind spot and we're up against an opponent who never folds, you could value bet KT here.

If you raised UTG and got called by a tight player in mid position, firing this third barrel would definitely be turning our hand into a bluff.

In most situations though, I would just check here since KT has plenty of showdown value without being good enough to value bet.

Thanks for the answer. I used an example from my head, because these things happen often. The worst thing is to get reraise from the opponent.

#46 January 11th, 2021, 8:11 PM

Originally Posted by redboy23

Hello CCers,

I am a little worried these days with the high frequency of talking to myself. But I do like the results of many of my decisions when I do ask myself the important question on the river;

Which worst hand will call me?
Which better hand I can get to fold?

These questions really help me to think critically to get the right bet sizing or the big laydown in some situations. I try not to take too long to get my thoughts together and it really helps if I think ahead. Many times, I think my opponents go with the flow of the game and do not stop to review the action in many spots and this works out in my favour more often than not.

Truth be told, I get a bit too much pleasure from getting villain to fold instead of enticing the call of a small bet size on the river. This is an area of my game that I need to improve. I have seen many players happily collect 1 BB on the river holding the nuts, instead of scaring their opponents away with a shove or a huge pot bet. This is something I should incorporate in my game and tournaments as well.

Only if you believe the information he gets about you by showing your hand is worth winning 1BB. I prefer if he folds and keep my hand a secret in most cases. In addition, by making a bigger bet you are asking him to make a mistake, which happens sometimes.

#47 January 11th, 2021, 8:16 PM

interesting info

#48 January 11th, 2021, 8:33 PM

Originally Posted by gassstation

interesting info

Glad to hear it River Betting (Day 12 Course Discussion)

#49 January 12th, 2021, 9:20 PM

Thank you for day 12. I think this subject was one of the advanced ones in the course until now. Should you river bet yes or no, and do I still have the best hand? This mindset can be created after playing many hands and experiencing many different situations.

Thank you for tipping this topic, let go to day 13.

#50 January 13th, 2021, 2:47 PM

Originally Posted by imnoobpoker

Thank you for day 12. I think this subject was one of the advanced ones in the course until now. Should you river bet yes or no, and do I still have the best hand? This mindset can be created after playing many hands and experiencing many different situations.

Thank you for tipping this topic, let go to day 13.

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