1k95
Rock Star
Silver Level
If you are lucky and you reach the stage of the tournament where most of the prizes are located, you will play a format in which most of your opponents are either very poor or have no experience at all. In addition, they will be very overworked, and also terribly nervous, since there is decent money at stake, and thus they will be inclined to make serious mistakes. And you know that on the mistakes of your opponents and make money in poker!
0546474
Legend
Loyaler
13th place is not bad !!! It is very difficult to take the first place from the first time))) tell me, if you had taken the first place in this tournament, would you also think that you played in vain for 6 hours ??? A tournament is all poker disciplines together !!! (kesh) at the beginning of the tournament - (sit-end-go) - middle of the tournament - (spin-up-go-go and heads-up) - at the end of the tournament !!! Is not it a wonderful art ??? ))) but I will not discourage you from cash games if you like this game and it brings you income, then this is your discipline !!! GOOD LUCK !!!!
xbronk
Rock Star
Silver Level
we all play to improve to be better players, because we like poker you stayed in place 13 out of 1156 players if it had been a $ 300 tournament you get a bigger pot we do not all win a good tournament sometimes it takes years until you can win a good tournament but if you are a bun player someday you will win it and you will see that it goes better than returning hamburgers in macdonald here in venezuela what you won equals more or less to the minimum salary sad but true
Poker Orifice
FoolsTilt
Platinum Level
So with a $2 investment & only single-tabling, how much do you think you should receive by placing in the Top 1% of the field?
Anyone playing Tournaments with 'hourly win-rate' in mind, are definitely NOT single-tabling. For micro & low stakes it is much more likely to be 10+ tournaments open at the same time, & playing 30 to 40 tourneys per day on a typical day (some are much higher volume than this... some in mid & high stakes will go with less at times, like 6 to 8 tables... 'maybe' 4 on more rare occasions).
I see many members suggest that tourneys are not worth it. I ask you.. 'Worth what?' Most are playing for entertainment (myself included in that). Tournaments give the newer player & the not so greatly skilled player a good shot at a big score. In the 'long run' it is going to be the higher skilled players who will shine but in the short run anyone can win a tournament & turn that $5 into $2,000 (or more some times). < How can that not be worth something?
(one of the games I played in the other day, I was actually down to 1/2 of a bb & fell to 2 to 3bb's a number of times (it was a fast structured game with many shortstacks in the field). I ended up final tabling it. < that's tournament play
For players who do play regularly, not all are profiting players. But for some who are, I've seen some decent profit totals for them. (case in point, the guy who took 3rd place in that $5,300 buyin, $20M gtd. on partypoker this month, had an average buyin of $11, with ~2,500 games played on Partypoker and an ROI of just over 10%.. he was up $3,500 prior to his run in the 20M & the satties leading up to it. He won his ticket from an intial $5 Satellite entry. How often do you (or does ANYONE) do that in micro/low stakes cash game? Then to win the $22, $109, $530 tickets, & ultimately the $5,300 ticket to enter the big event... ride the shortstack for hours & finally cash for over $1 Million. <<< This makes playing tournaments... 'worth it' (imo).
Here's a guy's stats that shows that micro & Low stakes tourneys are 'worth it'
With an average buyin of $10 & an ROI of +35%, this guy has profited over $100,000
My own personal experience with tournament play... just from 'micro' 'private' (forums) tournament play (excluding all regular tournaments on the sites), I made over $10,000 'profit' from 2008 to 2011, 2012 & 2013 - $8k, 2014 - $7k, 2015 - $9.9k, 2016 - $1.5k, 2017 - under $1k, 2018 - $1.7k (so far)
That's over $75,000.00 profit just from private league/ forum games (& freerolls ) playing for fun.
I rarely play tournaments these days but at one point they were my favorite game for sure.
Just from Cardschat games, 2012 to 2016 I profited $6,756.51 I'm not sure how much prior to 2012 although I likely have it on another older computer here somewhere but I think I did even better back then (& there were many buyin 'cash-added' tournaments back then on CC & elsewhere).
Anyone playing Tournaments with 'hourly win-rate' in mind, are definitely NOT single-tabling. For micro & low stakes it is much more likely to be 10+ tournaments open at the same time, & playing 30 to 40 tourneys per day on a typical day (some are much higher volume than this... some in mid & high stakes will go with less at times, like 6 to 8 tables... 'maybe' 4 on more rare occasions).
I see many members suggest that tourneys are not worth it. I ask you.. 'Worth what?' Most are playing for entertainment (myself included in that). Tournaments give the newer player & the not so greatly skilled player a good shot at a big score. In the 'long run' it is going to be the higher skilled players who will shine but in the short run anyone can win a tournament & turn that $5 into $2,000 (or more some times). < How can that not be worth something?
(one of the games I played in the other day, I was actually down to 1/2 of a bb & fell to 2 to 3bb's a number of times (it was a fast structured game with many shortstacks in the field). I ended up final tabling it. < that's tournament play
For players who do play regularly, not all are profiting players. But for some who are, I've seen some decent profit totals for them. (case in point, the guy who took 3rd place in that $5,300 buyin, $20M gtd. on partypoker this month, had an average buyin of $11, with ~2,500 games played on Partypoker and an ROI of just over 10%.. he was up $3,500 prior to his run in the 20M & the satties leading up to it. He won his ticket from an intial $5 Satellite entry. How often do you (or does ANYONE) do that in micro/low stakes cash game? Then to win the $22, $109, $530 tickets, & ultimately the $5,300 ticket to enter the big event... ride the shortstack for hours & finally cash for over $1 Million. <<< This makes playing tournaments... 'worth it' (imo).
Here's a guy's stats that shows that micro & Low stakes tourneys are 'worth it'
With an average buyin of $10 & an ROI of +35%, this guy has profited over $100,000
My own personal experience with tournament play... just from 'micro' 'private' (forums) tournament play (excluding all regular tournaments on the sites), I made over $10,000 'profit' from 2008 to 2011, 2012 & 2013 - $8k, 2014 - $7k, 2015 - $9.9k, 2016 - $1.5k, 2017 - under $1k, 2018 - $1.7k (so far)
That's over $75,000.00 profit just from private league/ forum games (& freerolls
) playing for fun.I rarely play tournaments these days but at one point they were my favorite game for sure.
Just from Cardschat games, 2012 to 2016 I profited $6,756.51 I'm not sure how much prior to 2012 although I likely have it on another older computer here somewhere but I think I did even better back then (& there were many buyin 'cash-added' tournaments back then on CC & elsewhere).
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Poker Orifice
FoolsTilt
Platinum Level
If you check the lobbys for SnG's & see who the regulars are in the 27man, 45man games, then check to see how they're doing, it won't be uncommon to find players with $10,000 to $30,000 profit (& this is again in the 'micro' 'Low' stakes - under $10 avg. buyin).
I thought you'd know this though.... Didn't you used to work at pokerstars?
I thought you'd know this though.... Didn't you used to work at pokerstars?
FerC182
Rock Star
Silver Level
in my case I play more for the emotion, for the money the cash is easier to win as it is also easier to lose, but the tournaments are better. I always liked it. one time or another game cash game but it is only for fun not for work.
1sunchin
Legend
Silver Level
Tournament - it's a lottery of several tens (hundreds, thousands) of participants, in which you can influence your luck on the prize, ie it's an ultimate gambling as someone said in previous posts. Accordingly, if you like to play poker while you can get enough of a big win by risk relatively little money - tournament poker - for you.
Whodahustla
Rock Star
Silver Level
In answer to your question...
The short answer to this question is play tournaments with bigger buy-ins and you'll see the difference. Bigger buy-ins mean less registries and more money when splitting the prize pool.
So one of my earliest experiences playing poker was when I entered a freeroll, made it to third place and made $80 dollars. Fast forward years later I entered a tournament with a $10 buy-in not sure how many people played but I made like, between 5-7th place and won like another $80 dollars. Another time I entered the same type of tournament and made 2nd place and won $197 dollars. It does pay off depending on the place you make and how much your buy-ins are.
Also, I like the security of tournaments because for 6-7 hours the only money on the line; the only investment you risk losing is your buy-in. In cash games you can loose your whole entire bankroll(We've all been there). At least you know if you lost in a tournament, it was only $2.20 or $10. A good poker player can make that money back in a cash game within an hour after losing the tournament.
Don't get me wrong though. I love cash games. You can make more money in a cash game in 6 hours that in a tournament. However, it's a fact that you can LOOSE more money in a cash game than in a tournament too! Good luck!
The short answer to this question is play tournaments with bigger buy-ins and you'll see the difference. Bigger buy-ins mean less registries and more money when splitting the prize pool.
So one of my earliest experiences playing poker was when I entered a freeroll, made it to third place and made $80 dollars. Fast forward years later I entered a tournament with a $10 buy-in not sure how many people played but I made like, between 5-7th place and won like another $80 dollars. Another time I entered the same type of tournament and made 2nd place and won $197 dollars. It does pay off depending on the place you make and how much your buy-ins are.
Also, I like the security of tournaments because for 6-7 hours the only money on the line; the only investment you risk losing is your buy-in. In cash games you can loose your whole entire bankroll(We've all been there). At least you know if you lost in a tournament, it was only $2.20 or $10. A good poker player can make that money back in a cash game within an hour after losing the tournament.
Don't get me wrong though. I love cash games. You can make more money in a cash game in 6 hours that in a tournament. However, it's a fact that you can LOOSE more money in a cash game than in a tournament too! Good luck!
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capo1014
Rock Star
Silver Level
Tournaments
One bet win or lose, tournaments are a no brainer when it comes to gambling. You know your stake win or lose and have at it. It might cost you a half a day to win some serious cash or some chump change. Either way depends on how one is feeling good long day or zoom 30 minutes bank is bust. I choose tourney all day long. Capo1014
One bet win or lose, tournaments are a no brainer when it comes to gambling. You know your stake win or lose and have at it. It might cost you a half a day to win some serious cash or some chump change. Either way depends on how one is feeling good long day or zoom 30 minutes bank is bust. I choose tourney all day long. Capo1014
fishfood80
Rock Star
Silver Level
I just love the grind of mtt’s. Plus the added bonus of a bigger payday at the end of em. I just think of those min cashes as keeping me going until you hit a good one. It’s been a good year of min cashing on ACR like 50 here 150 there then last month got a w for 1100+ and a 2nd for 1200+ in 2 weeks. It gives hope there’s a chance lol.
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Tugelcki
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Hello and good luck everyone! I'm new. I want to learn how to play poker and win some tournament. It doesn't matter what tournament, the most important thing is to take first place. Yes, exactly the first place, for me it will mean that I have learned to play poker. Thank you Cardschat for giving me the opportunity to learn how to play poker and be part of a larger community.