We've got to talk about the clock....again.

[ObbleeXY]

I'm seeing it in both Team and Individual league. People needlessly running the clock.
I get it -- sometimes there is method toi the madness...but what I'm referring to really is madness.
Early game.
League Games on Replay.
Everyone has the same stack.
There are no antes.

Why oh why are you running the clock to zero then?

Essentially, you are giving yourself a distinct disadvantage in the game.
You are seeing fewer cheap hands.
So instead of seeing, say, 30-45 hands per hour, instead you're seeing half that.
Given that the blinds are so cheap in early game, there is no benefit/savings from slowing the play down at this point in the game.

The only benefit PERHAPS, is that some players are tilted by this behaviour. The problem though is that they'll all be tilted TOWARDS YOU.
Generally, I try not to annoy those around me at the table. Getting a target painted on your back is not advantageous to league scoring.

Once you get to late game, where the blinds are problematic or the tables aren't full -- sure...run the clock a bit...if you're in a strong stack lead for example. It can put pressure on players when they know they might only have a few more opportunities for a hand.

But for Early game time-wasters? It's officially open-season.

 

[odonob]

Agreed, I would like the time clocks to be much shorter on all sites. Too many 4,5,6 hours tournaments. If you are not on the table it’s your fault.

 

[airxlns]

Well, it is a legit point of view. But running the clock seems to be trending at the moment. Take a look at the final 2 minutes of the Super bowl... Maybe it's done by weak players who want to stop better players from seeing a lot of hands?

 

[wavetune]

There was a similar topic, be careful, everyone who delays time now will attack you with the words "This is not prohibited by the rules!"

 

[ObbleeXY]

Well, it is a legit point of view. But running the clock seems to be trending at the moment. Take a look at the final 2 minutes of the Super bowl... Maybe it's done by weak players who want to stop better players from seeing a lot of hands?

Perhaps...but in the final two minutes is "late game" and that's not my real beef. Its the "I run my clock to zero every hand, straigh out of the blocks" which ruins things for me. I'm not saying it tilts me. I'm saying it makes me not want to play with Cards Chat League because it isn't much fun to spend so much time waiting for the same old suspects to time-out.

I do wish there was a bit more opportunity for these games to set the timers shorter.

The worst is the Saturday Bronze PokerSars freeroll. It takes hours to win a few pennies. (I stopped playing this one altogether because it was just too soul-destroying).

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In my home game last week we had a similar problem. Some people who watch too much poker on telly taking an age to make a decision. We don't have individual timers for our home games...just the poker (blinds) clock. It got so bad, that we were getting less than half a ring before the (15 min) blinds would go up.

 

[hobojim1247]

This reminds me of the most annoying thing in baseball, and that is the batter stepping out of the box after every pitch, playing with his batting glove, adjusting his jock strap , stepping back into the box , asking the ump for time while they dig a hole in the sand with their hind foot , adjust their hat and glasses, tug on their jockstrap again and waste 90 seconds before the second pitch.

 

[NiallPlays]

That’s one of my pet hates, I understand it when you’re close to a ticket and so on but everyone else is doing the same thing so it doesn’t really benefit anyone, as for early game it makes no sense to me, nothing to be gained from it

 

[kitchy65]

I'm seeing it in both Team and Individual league. People needlessly running the clock.
Everyone has the same stack.
There are no antes.

Why oh why are you running the clock to zero then?

Ever considered people are playing more than one table?

I have a min of 4 sometimes 6, other people play way more.

It's a 10 sec timer...

 

[Martin]

I'm seeing it in both Team and Individual league. People needlessly running the clock.
I get it -- sometimes there is method toi the madness...but what I'm referring to really is madness.
Early game.
League Games on Replay.
Everyone has the same stack.
There are no antes.

Why oh why are you running the clock to zero then?

Essentially, you are giving yourself a distinct disadvantage in the game.
You are seeing fewer cheap hands.
So instead of seeing, say, 30-45 hands per hour, instead you're seeing half that.
Given that the blinds are so cheap in early game, there is no benefit/savings from slowing the play down at this point in the game.

The only benefit PERHAPS, is that some players are tilted by this behaviour. The problem though is that they'll all be tilted TOWARDS YOU.
Generally, I try not to annoy those around me at the table. Getting a target painted on your back is not advantageous to league scoring.

Once you get to late game, where the blinds are problematic or the tables aren't full -- sure...run the clock a bit...if you're in a strong stack lead for example. It can put pressure on players when they know they might only have a few more opportunities for a hand.

But for Early game time-wasters? It's officially open-season.

I don't think it's entirely deliberate in Replay, for me it's more about the fact the table doesn't pop up as it's browser based and other players might simply forget that part or be playing other games in rooms where the table does pop up at the same time.

 

[SpanRmonka]

It doesn't annoy me how much of the clock players take. Especially in replay, as I actually think replays timebank is too short.

I do agree tho that in a home game it would annoy me way way more, as although serious, its also meant to be a evenings entertainment!

 

[Gallarado777]

I have always said and will continue to say that tournaments are very long because of such players and I would like tournaments to be turbo or hyper turbo so that players can't sit and think and stall for so long tournaments are awfully long because I'm too lazy to play tournaments and I just miss these tournaments I think at least someday they will see our requests to make tournaments faster than our forum so that players do not sit for 5 hours playing tournaments are very boring and you need to play these forum tournaments quickly and go ahead with business already more and more such topics on the forum soon us I think they'll hear

 

[MAGICUZ]

I used to tilt too, but now it doesn’t even annoy me. Let them play as they want))

 

[MK_]

The number of times the cat has heard me say "just bet or fold" must be in the thousands... time is money, literally

 

[Andyreas]

Yeah, I also hate the games being slowed down by time wasters.

Either they're too busy doing other stuff or they simply don't get that most of the times, they'll not benefit from it.

Only makes some sense to play a little slower on the bubble to not have any 'disadvantage' against other slow players. But usually even that can be very annoying.

If something like this takes place at my table, I simply start doing other stuff or open other tables.

 

[ObbleeXY]

Ever considered people are playing more than one table?

I have a min of 4 sometimes 6, other people play way more.

It's a 10 sec timer...

Of course I have.

I play four games if I'm on my mobile. I play more if on the computer.
Sometimes this occurs once in a while to me if I lose my connection...or yes, if several hands collide at once.

But I was talking about POKER LEAGUE which is exclusively on Replay poker and you can't really play multiple games on Replay (at least not on the phone).

If you're stating "its only 10 seconds" then I call shenanigans and posit that you are not even playing in Poker League.
If you aren't then why are you here?

10 seconds is fine. but 10 seconds every hand times several players times a whole game? it can be 30+ seconds PER HAND being wasted. That is enough for many peopole to say, "This particular game is not for me". However, I'd have thought that Cards Chat players and Admins would not really like behaviours which drive players out of the game.

For those who say "but the game has a timer. Anyone can use the timer.
Perhaps.
We also have a chat function, and yet you can expect certain speech to land you in hot water.
Being able to do something because of the technical infrastructure vs doing something bevcause it is normally expected in the game are not the same thing.

At the end of the day, Poker suffers if individuals suffer.
I think we need to rein this in before Poker suffers any more.

 

[ObbleeXY]

Yeah, I also hate the games being slowed down by time wasters.

Either they're too busy doing other stuff or they simply don't get that most of the times, they'll not benefit from it.

Only makes some sense to play a little slower on the bubble to not have any 'disadvantage' against other slow players. But usually even that can be very annoying.

If something like this takes place at my table, I simply start doing other stuff or open other tables.

Bubble slow down? Absolutely fair play. (IMO, the most acceptable reason).
Blinds are going to move to a short stack? Absolutely, run that clock, forcing the blindfs to go up befopre they get to thye short stack. Another good reason.
Difficult decision? Sure. Take your time and make the right play. Fair enough.
You have the nuts and don't want to look too eager? Fine. Run it a bit. But there is no need for the ****ing pretend drama. You're not on telly. it doesn't impress anyone.
It's late, late, late game and you have a big stack? Your opponents do not? Run that clock down baby! You can continue to ladder up just by forcing people to play worse hands because they're afraid they'll run out of time. Fair enough. That's also a reasonable play.

Playing multiple tables? Well, I responded to that one above...but I also think that this is a poor excuse.
If you are unable to keep up with a normal speed of play (ie the rest of the table) then you are playing too many games.
If you cannot even play to the clock with ,multiple games, how do you expect to make good decisions, keep track of what isgoing on, etc.? Again, you are hurting your own game.

And that is my main point here -- THEY ARE HURTING THEIRR OWN GAME. You are annoying others who might then target you. You clearly aren't paying attention to the game -- which doesn't help you. You are losing the chance to play many cheap hands...this doesn't help you. You are taking the fun out of the game. Poker then suffers...which means, in turn, that you will suffer also. (When poker suffers, we all suffer).

Yes -- I get that you can go open anpother table so that you aren't wasting your time...but remember, this is a POKER LEAGUE topic...and I'm not sure if you noticed (Oh Captain, My Captain)...but Replay poker site kinda sucks...and it isn't as friendly for multiple games as other sites are.

If I play on my phone, I cannot play other games at the same time.

You know, there used to be a rule on poker stars which prevented continuous slow play....but I've been unable to find it (and their site is sooooo difficult to navigate.)

 

[ObbleeXY]

The number of times the cat has heard me say "just bet or fold" must be in the thousands... time is money, literally

totally get this.
are yuou sure you didn't follow it up with "FFS"?

 

[ObbleeXY]

I used to tilt too, but now it doesn’t even annoy me. Let them play as they want))

Are you young?
I'm getting old and realising that time is not only money, but it is also life.
if Poker League doesn't shape up, I'll be leaving it again. I've got better things to do than wait on such things.

 

[ObbleeXY]

It doesn't annoy me how much of the clock players take. Especially in replay, as I actually think replays timebank is too short.

I do agree tho that in a home game it would annoy me way way more, as although serious, its also meant to be a evenings entertainment!

It's only too short if someone is plugging values into ICM or a GTO SOLVER or another such toolset. (WHICH IS CHEATING AND NOT PERMITTED)
There is plenty of time to make a decision.

And for goodness sake, we're playing a free game which means very little in the end. Sure there are some prizes, but in the end, its about learning and having fun and socialising...not really about Hoodies and card protectors.

I struggle to understand what must be going on in your mind if you require more time.
Perhaps there is something I'm missing? What is it that you are doing that means the time you have is insufficient?

 

[ObbleeXY]

****** Dear admins -- please put thjis BACK into league poker. ****
It is specifically about poker league and is not really relevant to the general topic of poker timers.

 

[kitchy65]

10 seconds is fine. but 10 seconds every hand times several players times a whole game? it can be 30+ seconds PER HAND being wasted. That is enough for many peopole to say, "This particular game is not for me". However, I'd have thought that Cards Chat players and Admins would not really like behaviours which drive players out of the game.

Wow...a whole 30 seconds per street.

What are they thinking about...this is poker...since when did poker become a thinking game?

If you can't make the best decision within the first 3 seconds of a bet, raise or 3-bet ahead of you.
Then perhaps Poker Bingo isn't for you.

 

[ObbleeXY]

Wow...a whole 30 seconds per street.

What are they thinking about...this is poker...since when did poker become a thinking game?

If you can't make the best decision within the first 3 seconds of a bet, raise or 3-bet ahead of you.
Then perhaps Poker Bingo isn't for you.

dripping with sarcasm...but no substance. Thanks for your input.
Had a look at the quality of input in your other posts.
Maybe CardsChat isn't for you.

 

[kitchy65]

dripping with sarcasm...but no substance. Thanks for your input.
Had a look at the quality of input in your other posts.
Maybe CardsChat isn't for you.

I do apologize for not taking your frustrations seriously.

I implement a timebank strategy in all my hands. Sometimes I act quickly, other times I need the full timebank.

An insta C-bet is leaking information...did you know that?

Card chat is definitely for me...diversity of opinion!

 

[ObbleeXY]

I accept your apology. I'll return one for my less than patient reply. Please accept my apology too.
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I'm not suggesting that everyone should insta-check/call/bet/fold.

As I said:"

"Needlessly running the clock"
"Why oh why are you running the clock to zero then?"

I'm complaining about the players who run the clock to zero, basically every hand from the start of the game.

Under what circumstances do you honestly need a full time-bank to make a decision? What are you actually processing that whole time?
honestly, I've run my clock stategically (bubble, late game, when short stacks are soon to hit BB, etc.)...or just waiting to a certain point every time so there is no info...but in nearly 500,000 hands of real-money poker, I cannot say as I've ever had to use up all the time-bank to actually come to a decision.

If the decision is that hard, you KNOW you shouldn't be in the hand.

And if you need all that time, every time? What then?

Basically, I'm saying that I don't have the patience to play cards with people who continue to do that.
I will target them and put more of my focus into getting rid of them on the table, just so I don't have to put up with it. Not tilty, but targeted for sure.
I'll encourage others to do the same. The time wasted during this pretend drama adds up. If we were playing on Poker Stars, I would not care as much as I could just open a few more tables and ignore the slow play.

But as this was supposed to be a POKER LEAGUE question, which moderators moved to gen eral poker without asking.
And in Poker league, we're on that ultra-modern (sarcasm) platform....and can only play one game at a time (at least, on mobile).

So, the POWERS THAT BE, need to decide whether driving people away from poker is good for poker.

Not sure how much you play, but I play poker 7 days a week. I personally don't think its good to alienate players who play 7 days a week.
If I encoun tered this everywhere else and not just POKER LEAGUE, I'd give poker up altogether. It shouldn't be normalised just because the software allows it. The software allows chat too...but there are restrictions on usage; you may not act with impunity.

And if you did eventually see things my way, it would mean we could all either a) play MORE poker....or do something ELSE with the time we get back.
With 5 league games per week (four individual, one team), the time adds up.

So spread the word. Half clock is more than enough for at least 80% of your actions. Try a quick one now and again to appear overly anxious and fishy.
But in general stop wasting everybody's time, especially your own, and stop running the clock to zero in early game unless you have a damn good reason.

 

[Martin]

Just for your information we don't have to ask to do anything with threads or posts, if this was purely about team league I would have left the thread where it was but in your first sentence you mention team and individual league which are two different things. Then you go on to mention freerolls and home games so it certainly looks to me like it belongs in tournament poker.

I made a previous post on why that may be happening at Replay specifically. Not sure on your driving players away comments though, you are looking at this from a personal point of view which is fine you aren't responsible for other members here, we are, not sure if you've noticed but many countries have their own restrictions on where their poker players can play so we found a site that accommodates as many of our members as possible.