Stalling to make the money

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Ill admit I have do it sometimes when i really need to cash but what do you guys think? Does it make you a jerk when you are stalling your hands? What about when when they are using every last second in their time bank for every single turn?
 
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Ill admit I have do it sometimes when i really need to cash but what do you guys think? Does it make you a jerk when you are stalling your hands? What about when when they are using every last second in their time bank for every single turn?

I dont think it would make you a jerk. To be honest a lot of people will slow down at the bubble. I do find it to be annoying when there is 10+ left before the money and it start though as you not that close to the money.

The one negative about this is your telling other players the money is inportant and they can steal your blinds at every chance they have expecting you to fold. Just a thought.
 
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It is strategic to let the other table(s) pay more blinds than yours.

It is strategic to let other players tilt on it.

It is ICM related. Only apply pressure in your table if you have the stack for it.
 
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Its mildly annoying when your a big stack but as a poster above me said - completely understandable. I do it myself when short stacked and its part of the game and not really an etiquette issue IMO
 
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A jerk? Definitely not. I'm too ashamed to employ that strategy myself, but if it increases your chances for a pay-out, then more power to you.
 
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You can't do it in a LIVE tourn. The dealer and floor people will get on you but online you're allowed that luxury because its only like a few seconds each time you're dealt a a hand so its not a big deal.

To do it online depends on the type of players in the tourn. Some tourns you can do it to make the money while in others you can't because folks aren't gambling enough, are more skillful and just trying hard to make the money themselves.

You should know if stalling will actually get you into the money on a consistent basis just by watching a few of the tourns before actually playing them, paying attention to how fast folks leave and how long it takes to make the money. If they have no clue what they're doing, just gambling and people are dropping like flies and stalling might at least get you to the money then you have to weigh whether you want to go that route. You have to know when to actually do it also, it makes zero sense to try this when you're way out of the money and folks aren't leaving the tourn, lol.

There's a tradeoff which a lot of people don't understand and that's when you stall you're actually closing off your game and seeing a lot less hands while the blinds climb. If you're more skillful than the table and can accept the risk of playing then you WANT TO SEE MORE HANDS but if you're like: "I'm shortstacked, sick of the donk plays, things aren't working out, just gimme my money and lets move on", then sure, stall away.

Another good point by Luvepoker is:
The one negative about this is your telling other players the money is important and they can steal your blinds at every chance they have expecting you to fold. Just a thought.

and that's something else you might have to consider because they might go after your blinds more if you show this behavior to them so you have to think about that as well.

I see it as its your time and your money (if you buy into a tourn) and if there aren't any rules explicitly saying not to do it then you shouldn't care what anyone else thinks about that. If you're playing the lower stakes, then a lot of them don't care what happens anyway, lol.

I mean in a freeroll where you pay nothing to enter and gain if you just min cash makes all the sense in the world. And if you know how to play then those donks should say "thank you" in the chat box with you being content with a min cash. But they don't have a clue, so. whatever, lol.

So do what you have to do that makes YOU feel comfortable, if your table mates can't see what you're doing in a tourn and can't wait a few seconds then don't worry about them. But on a side note, this is a definitely not the same situation as in a cash game where folks stall at playchip and the micolimits just to disrupt the table. Those folks are just like me, J E R K S!! lol

Do what you have to, collect YOUR TOURN MONEY!!! Like I said, think about the trade off, gl.
 
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No the only thing that I do not understand is when people continue doing so during hand to hand play. Because at that point it does not matter at all how long you wait you are just holding up the game.

Usually if I am short stacked, though I want to see more hands not less but it really depends on the game. IF I see people tanking on another table I will slow my play sometimes depending on my stack size and how close we are to the bubble. But we are usually within 4 -6 players of the bubble at that time.

I used to employee that strategy a lot more before i understood it was better to see more hands and that the object was not to min cash
 
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Ill admit I have do it sometimes when i really need to cash but what do you guys think? Does it make you a jerk when you are stalling your hands? What about when when they are using every last second in their time bank for every single turn?
It all depends on the situation, they are different
 
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I only stall in the satellites , because it's a different payout structure. In normal tourneys I don't do that , most of the times I am around the average stack and I don't ''need'' this strategy.

Don't feel bad about that , it's your time / time bank and you can use it however you want. You will only irritate the single tablers after all. :D
 
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Everyone has the right to use any strategy to achieve a result. Moreover, delaying time does not always mean a deliberate action, perhaps the opponent has problems with the client or the Internet.
 
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no, i think poker sites should reduce the time bank near the bubble to avoid players to stall the game, however players should have the right to use their time as they please.
 
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For me stalling is just part of the game, and I dont get annoyed about it. Sometimes I do it myself, other times I dont. Depends on the situation. Many other things can be consider annoying as well. Like when the short stacks relentlessly continue to limp and fold, because they desperately want to min-cash even at the expense of giving up all hope of a deeper run. Thats also pretty annoying for the mid stacks right? So why should stalling be considered more unethical? To me that makes no sense ;)
 
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It seems like enough people do it that it's just part of the game. I think many players hurt themselves by stalling with too many big blinds, when they would be better served playing with deeper stacks, and letting the blinds increase just makes it more of a shove fest once the bubble breaks.
 
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Hi

When that happens to me I stop playing for a few days, if it usually happens, however you have to stay away from betting for a while so as not to lose everything
 
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Yes, I like to procrastinate to make money, especially if I don't have money to play another tournament
 
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I deffo do this near the end game in order to try get a higher position. no shame whatsoever
 
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I don't consider it stupid, what I think is you expose your needs in relation to money, I get nervous because they use part or all of the time bank, but I don't let it show, which is sometimes visible
 
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I don't think it's stupid, sometimes I also stick to this strategy when I have no cards and a very small pot, because for any call, the chip will force the leader to go all in, which does not guarantee getting into the prizes.
 
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Ill admit I have do it sometimes when i really need to cash but what do you guys think? Does it make you a jerk when you are stalling your hands? What about when when they are using every last second in their time bank for every single turn?
I sometimes use time wasting in every hand against some frenzied, loose and foul-mouthed fish, who gets very annoyed and makes even more mistakes.if you do not play for time, then others will have such an opportunity and they will do so. if the game goes faster at one table, then it is simply more profitable for the rest to wait until everything is over on this table. the only defense against this is to play for time.
 
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I don't remember the last time I stalled on a bubble of a tournament because with my playstyle at the bubble I have a high stake or I busted already. Even in freeroll peoples are stalling for few cents. I don't mind because pretty much all the tables have few stallers. In satellite its can be very good to stall

But I did stall sometime when the blind is about to go up and I have a good reason. Like I am the big blind and I know the guys to my left will not defend his blind to my any%card push raise.
 
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You should use everything at your disposal to cash and squeak into the money if you are on a tiny stack and doubling doesn't mean that much.
 
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I will stall at the breaks if it can make a set up where I have the button on the first hand after the break. I feel that there is an advantage to be had by doing this. A poker tournament is a war and you have to do things to help yourself. It's just playing the game within the game.
 
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I believe that everyone can use their time as they see fit, of course, within the rules. If using your time bank will allow you to win prize money, then I don't see anything wrong with that.
 
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Stalling to make money I understand I guess but when a player uses all the time in their time bank every single hand that really frustrates me.
 
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Absolutely
Even with pocket Aces, Kings and Queens
You never know what will happen near the bubble
 
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