I mean, of course not, but looking back I can't help but think I should have....

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i dont think he would fold a shove on flop, he might think he had the best hand there w/ top pair

he might fold to a shove on turn, he bet smaller there so i think that he think that he dont have the best hand anymore

I think the same. Only if that hand is just before the bubble, maybe pushing it on turn or flop could make him unsure to call ...

You did right, I would have played the same way you did.

I would limp preflop and shove on the flop, your hand needs protection on this type of board and you can get value from worse hands.

What was your plan of minraising two limpers with small PP? Involve as many callers as possible? If you want to isolate, you should raise bigger smth like 4+BB.
What happened after flop is ofc a bit unlucky. I would tend to check/shove on the flop and in this spot SB would probably call. Or play passively and check/fold the turn unless it is cheap to see the river for possible FH, JIMHO
Otherwise, wish you to qualify to higher leagues asap

i think u did it right, just stay in your optimal game and results came

I could have thrown it all in on the turn and won it. That was the right play, I think. Live and learn, thanks for the input!

you did your play well, the moves were what any good poker player would do

The question is about postflop play but first i'd like to comment about preflop. You raised preflop with 2 blinds having 2 limpers before you. This way you just gave huge pot odds for SB/BB and limpers as well: the pot was $1320 before your raise and $1920 afterwards. So pot odds for calling players were:

• SB: 4.26
• BB: 7.9
• limper 1: 8.9
• limper 2: 9.9

With these insane pot odds you can only expect instacalls building this way a rather big pot. If you want your opponents to fold with your raise you should account for limpers by adding 1 blind for each limper to the raise. So your raise should've been like 4-5 blinds ($1200-$1500 which would be a significant part of your stack).

But it's generally recommended to play small pots for small hands so the better way was to call: thus you'd have invested 1 blind with preflop pot $1770 (assuming SB/BB also call).

About postflop. SB lead with a bet out of position with almost 1/2 pot. We don't have any info on your opponents but it's PS freeroll for elementary school where poker is usually straightforward. This means that the opponent likely connected with the flop by:

• hitting the flush (that would involve having suited broadways/connectors)
• drawing to a flush (with possibly a big pair like pair of aces or kings)
• hitting a set or 2 pair - unlikely because it involves slowplaying AA/KK/AK or having remaining 4h.
• hitting a big pair (without draws) - unlikely given his bet on very dangerous board

With pot odds given preflop and his stack size SB could've called with any pair so hitting the flush was possible. If he was drawing to a flush then he had 9 outs + 3 outs for ace/king he possibly had to make trips on the turn or the river - so naturally he played aggressively.

On the other hand you faced the pot of almost the same size as your stack on the turn so effectively you were pot-committed if you continued. So your options were 3-betting by shoving or folding. Possibly you had the best hand + you had 7 outs to improve to quads or full house. Also you could've represented a flush or drawing to a flush.

By shoving you'd give SB almost 1:2 odds which is less than he needed to call. Plus he had 7d which is 7th best card for the flush so it was likely that you could've had something better.

Thus shoving looks good but in these freerolls players don't pay much attention to pot odds and often they call with drawing hands no matter what (especially considering SB didn't risk elimination with that call). The choice is tough but i would've probably folded on the flop here (and shoved in a normal tournament).

The situation is ambiguous, the flash of the enemy has already spoken, I would not raise, but would respond

Originally Posted by xbursonicx

The question is about postflop play but first i'd like to comment about preflop. You raised preflop with 2 blinds having 2 limpers before you. This way you just gave huge pot odds for SB/BB and limpers as well: the pot was $1320 before your raise and $1920 afterwards. So pot odds for calling players were:

• SB: 4.26
• BB: 7.9
• limper 1: 8.9
• limper 2: 9.9

With these insane pot odds you can only expect instacalls building this way a rather big pot. If you want your opponents to fold with your raise you should account for limpers by adding 1 blind for each limper to the raise. So your raise should've been like 4-5 blinds ($1200-$1500 which would be a significant part of your stack).

But it's generally recommended to play small pots for small hands so the better way was to call: thus you'd have invested 1 blind with preflop pot $1770 (assuming SB/BB also call).

About postflop. SB lead with a bet out of position with almost 1/2 pot. We don't have any info on your opponents but it's PS freeroll for elementary school where poker is usually straightforward. This means that the opponent likely connected with the flop by:

• hitting the flush (that would involve having suited broadways/connectors)
• drawing to a flush (with possibly a big pair like pair of aces or kings)
• hitting a set or 2 pair - unlikely because it involves slowplaying AA/KK/AK or having remaining 4h.
• hitting a big pair (without draws) - unlikely given his bet on very dangerous board

With pot odds given preflop and his stack size SB could've called with any pair so hitting the flush was possible. If he was drawing to a flush then he had 9 outs + 3 outs for ace/king he possibly had to make trips on the turn or the river - so naturally he played aggressively.

On the other hand you faced the pot of almost the same size as your stack on the turn so effectively you were pot-committed if you continued. So your options were 3-betting by shoving or folding. Possibly you had the best hand + you had 7 outs to improve to quads or full house. Also you could've represented a flush or drawing to a flush.

By shoving you'd give SB almost 1:2 odds which is less than he needed to call. Plus he had 7d which is 7th best card for the flush so it was likely that you could've had something better.

Thus shoving looks good but in these freerolls players don't pay much attention to pot odds and often they call with drawing hands no matter what (especially considering SB didn't risk elimination with that call). The choice is tough but i would've probably folded on the flop here (and shoved in a normal tournament).

Only RESPECT to such thorough advice!!!!

Originally Posted by Dejange

Only RESPECT to such thorough advice!!!!

Indeed!

I think 44 is pretty wide to shove there, to be honest I probably would've just limped into the pot seeing as there were already a few callers in front of you and you're obviously folding on any flop that doesn't give you an OESD/set or better. As played I think you just got kind screwed, it's not that often that it'll come down four to the flush and you can definitely get a lot of value out of Kx/Ax/dx on that flop.