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This is way too much - needs to be simplified.
rebuy tournaments at pokerstars with a buy-in from $ 3.30 + R NL Hold'em
This is way too much - needs to be simplified.
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ilovepoka
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Triagrootrika story of success
Start to put it mildly, was not pretty. Starting stack in the rebuy period, there was not something that ramp, I could not even save the start, he was of the order of 2k chips in pancakes 75-150.
Following a add-on, which I happily missed, respectively, my stack was equal to 1 / 4 of the mean.
in the top-4 Holdem Manager for some reason did not retain the majority of hands. I will say in words what I have found resistance to three-bet all of my raises and began regularly giving away 4 bet at the hands of the average force, which oppy calmly fall off, because stacks are deep enough, that gave me the opportunity to calmly four-bet and fall off a 5-bet shove.
The top 3 I have tried hard to explain that the loot should be immediately shared, as I personally and my heart could not stand - look at koinflipy at the cost of a couple thousand greens. Opponents have a different opinion, not willing to share. I, in turn, wrote in a chat that "the star had then, and in turn cleaned them
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In heads-up, the whole sorry I'm not a pro, and quickly lost all the advantage in chips. It came to a fourfold difference, not in my favor, but it does not mean that I was ready to surrender. A couple of times to catch him in loose three-bet-pushah. With equal stack, after 3 consecutive three-bet from me, opponent could not resist stuffed 4-bet pushem 77. Unfortunately for him, I had QQ
and wish us a taste of victory in any tournament =)
Triagrootrika story of success
Start to put it mildly, was not pretty. Starting stack in the rebuy period, there was not something that ramp, I could not even save the start, he was of the order of 2k chips in pancakes 75-150.
Following a add-on, which I happily missed, respectively, my stack was equal to 1 / 4 of the mean.
in the top-4 Holdem Manager for some reason did not retain the majority of hands. I will say in words what I have found resistance to three-bet all of my raises and began regularly giving away 4 bet at the hands of the average force, which oppy calmly fall off, because stacks are deep enough, that gave me the opportunity to calmly four-bet and fall off a 5-bet shove.
The top 3 I have tried hard to explain that the loot should be immediately shared, as I personally and my heart could not stand - look at koinflipy at the cost of a couple thousand greens. Opponents have a different opinion, not willing to share. I, in turn, wrote in a chat that "the star had then, and in turn cleaned them
. In heads-up, the whole sorry I'm not a pro, and quickly lost all the advantage in chips. It came to a fourfold difference, not in my favor, but it does not mean that I was ready to surrender. A couple of times to catch him in loose three-bet-pushah. With equal stack, after 3 consecutive three-bet from me, opponent could not resist stuffed 4-bet pushem 77. Unfortunately for him, I had QQ
and wish us a taste of victory in any tournament =)
Poker Orifice
FoolsTilt
Platinum Level
"Typically" in rebuy tournaments you're going to be playing deepstacked poker once the addon period is over but in those $3rebuys on Stars, check out the structure in them (the one in the morning (14:30ET) is typical of most MTT's.. with blinds hitting the 150/300 at the end of the 2nd hour... but the one in the evening is alot different > at end of 2nd hr. the blinds are at 500/1,000. In other words it's a shove fest right from the get go).
fletchdad
Jammin................
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Ummmmm...no
I am not sure why you would think that after all that has been said in this thread.............
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ilovepoka
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and you achieve success playing under the scheme
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FoolsTilt
Platinum Level
Actually I read an interesting thread yesterday written by a successful MTT player who was suggesting it might not always be the best/optimal thing to do (initial rebuy) but was in reference to a mugh higher buyin. Some really good arguments for not rebuying (maybe I'll go through & pick out a few pts. & post them).
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ilovepoka
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rebuy tournaments every day becomes more and more or less the same Multi-Entry Tournaments at full tilt poker - is a kind of tournaments are also very similar to re-buy tournament.
ben_rhyno
Legend
Silver Level
I seen it on p5's but imo instarebuying is still the best option
bonflizubi
Visionary
Silver Level
Just do everything dakota said (except i disagree on HUDS) but she has it covered, I won't repeat it.
P.O. - that thread is horrid. REBUY REBUY REBUY in the low buyin. Not rebuying in a 1r or up to 11r is a complete and utter mistake.
Yes - any successful rebuy player needs to play that scheme. It's how I play the thing.
And no it's not bingo. THe super deep stacks give huge edges to the better players. I Play it the way Ben describes and if it was just bingo I wouldn't have scored the following in it last year alone: (not bragging, just making the point)
2/4062 for $5500
3/3370 for $3300
21/4594 for $125 (still a tidy profit)
46/3805 for $76
I'm not listing the various little cashes in there of course or the times I had a good chance to go uber deep and busted a slim edge.
IIRC one of those top 3's was on just a rebuy and addon as it was all I needed, and the other cost me I think $21.
These are so massively profitable that you find a decent number of $50+ buyin guys that would never ever skip playing the 3r or 5r.
Cliff's:
1) If you play the 1r or 3r and don't budget around 7 to 8x the original buyin as a MAX budget for this (it's OK if you need less) then you are just dead money handing equity to the good players.
2) If you don't want to do #1 above, then don't play rebuys they aren't for you. And that's fine - find a freezeout. PLay what you like.
P.O. - that thread is horrid. REBUY REBUY REBUY in the low buyin. Not rebuying in a 1r or up to 11r is a complete and utter mistake.
Yes - any successful rebuy player needs to play that scheme. It's how I play the thing.
And no it's not bingo. THe super deep stacks give huge edges to the better players. I Play it the way Ben describes and if it was just bingo I wouldn't have scored the following in it last year alone: (not bragging, just making the point)
2/4062 for $5500
3/3370 for $3300
21/4594 for $125 (still a tidy profit)
46/3805 for $76
I'm not listing the various little cashes in there of course or the times I had a good chance to go uber deep and busted a slim edge.
IIRC one of those top 3's was on just a rebuy and addon as it was all I needed, and the other cost me I think $21.
These are so massively profitable that you find a decent number of $50+ buyin guys that would never ever skip playing the 3r or 5r.
Cliff's:
1) If you play the 1r or 3r and don't budget around 7 to 8x the original buyin as a MAX budget for this (it's OK if you need less) then you are just dead money handing equity to the good players.
2) If you don't want to do #1 above, then don't play rebuys they aren't for you. And that's fine - find a freezeout. PLay what you like.
Shufflin
Visionary
Silver Level
One thing I have noticed in this tournament is that the antes add up to almost 1.5XBB -- does/should this change bet sizing and preflop range from the "standard" ante structure which is around 1BB... I tacked an extra SB onto my raises tonight and I suspect there were a few 3-bets laid on me because villain suspected I was trying to buy the pot with an overbet. Is it safe to assume the average player doesn't notice the difference in structure, and we should just play a normal game?
Debi
Forum Admin
Administrator
I don't use the antes to adjust my bet sizing the way you describe it - but I definitely take them into consideration when determining how many bb's I have to know when I can raise vs when I need to start shoving. Most players do not do this - for example they may think I am shoving 13 bb's when in reality I am shoving 8. And when they think they are down to 10-12 bb's they are in fact much lower.
A quick way to determine your effective bb's on a full table is to divide the pot size of the blinds and antes by 3 then multiply that by 2.
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Lofwyr
Rock Star
Silver Level
This only happens in some of the rebuy tournaments (at least on stars). Stars has a few different blind structures for MTTs...the rebuy tournaments seem to use two different ones with three different speeds.
The standard: 10/20-15/30-25/50---100/200-125/250/25 etc.
The special (high ante): 10/20-20/40-30/60/10 etc.
Some rebuys run using the standard model at 10 minute levels (say...monday morning stars 3r/60k). Others use the standard model with 15 minute levels (monday night stars 3r/40k). But on Sunday morning it seems like the rebuy tournaments use the high ante model with 12 minute levels. The high ante model also appears to have a base stack size of 2000 where the standard uses 1500
Typically the standard model gets a little less than +1bb from antes. The high ante typically has ~+1.5-1.75bb from antes.
The third early ante structure on stars seems to only apply in freezeouts, that one goes like 15/30-20/40-30/60 and adds ante at 50/100 (e.g. 50/100/10).
As for how you adjust...I'm still not entirely sure myself. I think you're paying more per hand so you have to widen your ranges somewhat from every position. Stealing is much more important. That's my assumption at least.
Logan2
Legend
Silver Level
I use same plus CB
micalupagoo
Legend
Loyaler
well
#1 listen to dakota, shes smart
#2 for me, i dont rebuy in the beginning- only cuz its easy to get your fist double up anyways, Ive cashed in rebuys without even an addon (always plan to do an addon) and i plan maybe 2-3 rebuys, ive left tournys near the addon period if out and not wanting try to bingo to a big stack in only a few minutes
#3 dont play if your not ready to spend up to 6x buyins (unless you feel real lucky)
#4 gonna be a lot more all in pushes- be ready or just fold and wait
i normally hated rebuys but probally cuz i didnt have the bankroll for it, i still do some and maybe i should listen to the advise here and just go for it-I'll do 100 buyins dangit and show you
#1 listen to dakota, shes smart
#2 for me, i dont rebuy in the beginning- only cuz its easy to get your fist double up anyways, Ive cashed in rebuys without even an addon (always plan to do an addon) and i plan maybe 2-3 rebuys, ive left tournys near the addon period if out and not wanting try to bingo to a big stack in only a few minutes
#3 dont play if your not ready to spend up to 6x buyins (unless you feel real lucky)
#4 gonna be a lot more all in pushes- be ready or just fold and wait
i normally hated rebuys but probally cuz i didnt have the bankroll for it, i still do some and maybe i should listen to the advise here and just go for it-I'll do 100 buyins dangit and show you
ben_rhyno
Legend
Silver Level
Which means if you've already rebought before the first hand it's easier to get a 4x starting stack with just one double upwell
#1 listen to dakota, shes smart
#2 for me, i dont rebuy in the beginning- only cuz its easy to get your fist double up anyways, Ive cashed in rebuys without even an addon (always plan to do an addon) and i plan maybe 2-3 rebuys, ive left tournys near the addon period if out and not wanting try to bingo to a big stack in only a few minutes
#3 dont play if your not ready to spend up to 6x buyins (unless you feel real lucky)
#4 gonna be a lot more all in pushes- be ready or just fold and wait
i normally hated rebuys but probally cuz i didnt have the bankroll for it, i still do some and maybe i should listen to the advise here and just go for it-I'll do 100 buyins dangit and show you
fletchdad
Jammin................
Loyaler
Debi
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Yea - Mica - that first re-buy is hugely important.
A lot of times I am at least a few minutes late registering because the 5 min breaks run past the hour at times. Sometimes when a re-buy has already started I get dealt the first hand as soon as I register before I can even click re-buy so my first hand I start with half a stack. Twice in the past week I have had pocket pairs on that first hand and flopped a set - only winning 1500 chips from someone who had 3000 instead of the 3000 I would have won if I had had time to re-buy before my hand was dealt.
So I had 3000 chips instead of the 6000 I could have had. (Of course I still did the re-buy for 1500 more chips!! Why would I continue the game with 3000 chips when I could have 4500 instead???)
Can't say this enough - if you are not going to re-buy don't play re-buys.
A lot of times I am at least a few minutes late registering because the 5 min breaks run past the hour at times. Sometimes when a re-buy has already started I get dealt the first hand as soon as I register before I can even click re-buy so my first hand I start with half a stack. Twice in the past week I have had pocket pairs on that first hand and flopped a set - only winning 1500 chips from someone who had 3000 instead of the 3000 I would have won if I had had time to re-buy before my hand was dealt.
So I had 3000 chips instead of the 6000 I could have had. (Of course I still did the re-buy for 1500 more chips!! Why would I continue the game with 3000 chips when I could have 4500 instead???)
Can't say this enough - if you are not going to re-buy don't play re-buys.
Pascal-lf
Legend
Silver Level
Just to add that there are also $3.30r 180 mans which people might be tempted to play aside from the scheduled one each evening - I'd definitely say avoid them, they are full of regs and pretty tough from what I've been told by someone who grinds them!