MTT Late Registration Strategy

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I think it is always suboptimal to register late. If you are a good player, you want to give yourself as many hands as possible in a tournament, so you will maximize your opportunities to get value from your opponents. Of course, real world time has value too, so if you are doing something important with that extra hour and don't mind the tradeoff of having higher variance in your MTTs, then I suppose it's worth it.
 
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I prefer to playing from beginning of tournament, so I can collect more chips to play at the next stage....
 
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if you think you have edge over the field in deep stack game, register at the start, if you feel you are worse then majority of the field, reg half way through or really late as it reduces possibility of you getting destroyed ev wise and makes your chances much higher with push/fold strategy as you can just google push fold charts for X bbs online super easily.
 
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If your push/fold game is really strong aswell you can just reg all tourneys with like 20bbs and just make money on good decisions which others wont capitilize on as they dont know the short stack game as well as you do, i do this in some fields in bigger turbo tournaments that i play with lots of regulars, im really confident in my short stack play so i just prefer these spots even tho id probably make more money playing from the start, saves both time & space as i can focus on less tables before adding those tables that i reg'd late just to push/fold.
 
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Late registration

With a lot of the big MTT's on ACR having huge late registration periods, I've been trying to figure out the best time for myself to register for them. Currently I'm thinking about half way into the late registration period, because it gives enough BBs to play some poker but it saves me an hour or so of grinding.
What's everyone's thoughts/plan for registering late for a MTT?


I agree with you a good strategy to start MTT tournament it’s about when everyone has 50BB I love to register in that time at the beginning of any tournament the blinds are too low and it’s takes too long and at the end day 2 hours more it’s aprox 150/250hands . Save energy from the beginning to be ready to the final where is the big money. Good luck 😉
 
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I play on ACR too and have actually been trying to figure out why it seems people intentionally try and register towards the end.

Is it not wanting to play deep stacked, either being due to preference or lack of skill?

It seems like the chance of drawing AA and getting action is worth the risk of blinding down a tenth of your starting stack before antes even get big.
 
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Hello everyone, it seems to me that sometimes deep stacks lead to some errors. Since with a deep stack you can play more hands, which is not always right. Therefore, for some players it is more comfortable to play with less deep stacks.
 
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I agree with you. Sure that decision depends on the tournaments structure but sometimes early levels doesn’t make sense, so i would like to start mostly middle of the late registration stage.
 
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I think mtt of late record bad long, for me the late record had that only 30 minutes at the most, but to be plays I think the best option is to register soon at the beginning
 
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For me there is the only one reason for late registration - close IRM. For example, PokerStart Weekly $5000. 1.5 hours of late registration, hyper-turbo speed, wide prize places. Late registation ends when bubble has come. So you need win just 1 push (or 2 pushes, no more) for IRM. It's real and I won money in this freeroll. It's so small yes but it was my goal. And I am not sure I can take prize place without late registration there.
 
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It's hard to say. Some players are very good at push or fold game and they don't like "regular game" from the beginning. For these types of players this strategy make sense. But I like play in deep stacks so I prefer play from the beginning.
 
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I like to register from the beginning of the tournament, but sometimes that affects me when the extended registration is very long, when I play those tournaments from the beginning it's like the register will never be closed, sometimes I try to register later, but I can not concentrate in the same way as if I played from the beginning, because the blinds are a little higher and I feel a little more pressure, I'm trying to control a bit that is a learning process every day
 
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i hate registering at the beginning of the MTT. I know fish easy money blah blah, but it doesnt matter. I fyoure runninghot it doesnt matter. I hate I MEAN I HATE playing 3 + hours and still busting before late reg. and I hate I mean hate firing multiple bullets for any mtt. to me they feeled boned once busted.

TL:DR RUN HOT and it doesnt matter
 
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I always try at the last level of late registration and get lucky majority of the time.
 
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Also don't recommend it unless your an experience player.
 
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I think that those who have about 3 hours of late registration can enter an hour later without missing anything important.
 
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For me, I wont register late. I like to start from the beginning. I see some players register late and double or triple their stacks quickly. One of the benefits of late registration is that you are closer to the money. I think I will try some late registration as a strategy and see how well I do, it has its advantages.
 
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Starting stack does not change depending on the time of registration in the tournament, unlike the blind dimensions. This means that the later you register in the tournament the lower your chances of winning the tournament. The later you register the greater should be your range and you will have less control in the hand.
 
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If you have bad post flop game, you should register at late registration and only push/fold. If you double your stack 2-3 times, you can reach ITM.
 
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A good strategy is to register five minutes before the late registration ends.
 
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I register around the 3rd or 4th blind levels, right around when the antes start. I only do this because nearly all of the tournaments at my local casino allow re-entry through many levels. I personally don't like this because I think the play is better when players don't have the option of re-entry. I found that sweet spot is around level 4 when the tables have filled up, but the blinds/antes aren't too high where you start out in desperate mode. If there is no re-entry or only a short re-entry period, then I would want to start at the beginning.
 
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For me there is the only one reason for late registration - close IRM. For example, PokerStart Weekly $5000. 1.5 hours of late registration, hyper-turbo speed, wide prize places. Late registation ends when bubble has come. So you need win just 1 push (or 2 pushes, no more) for IRM. It's real and I won money in this freeroll. It's so small yes but it was my goal. And I am not sure I can take prize place without late registration there.

This is true if you're definitely looking to min-cash or get a little higher than that. If you're looking for more of a profit and a long run, I would late reg after a few levels. This way the blinds are still somewhat small and you can play non-shove poker for a bit.
 
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Late regging so close to the end of reg offers no benefits, in my opinion. At least none that I can see. Saving time is not a real benefit. Are you here to play the game or to revel in the thrills of min cashing? Min cashing should not be seen as success. It is really only a hair better than being the bubble boy. Sure, it makes you feel good, like you played well enough to cash, but in the long run--which is what this game is all about--you are very rarely, if ever, going to make it to the final table, where all the real money is.

I have only ever made a final table by reging super late once, and it was all because of two very lucky hands. There just isn't enough time to build a stack, and unless your entire strategy is to hope for AA and also hope that they hold up in a multi way pot big enough to boost you up to average stack size, there is no real effective way--other than pure luck--to build a decent or healthy stack from ten blinds or less. With only ten blinds or less, you will almost never be able to do things like steal blinds or take a line post flop to showdown, which really only leaves you with the one option: jamming all in with something good/decent before your tiny stack is eaten up and blinded off in just a couple orbits.

The vast majority of the times when I made final tables, I started within the first half hour to hour of 3 hour reg period games. For those turbos with 90 minutes, anything more than half an hour is usually too late for me. I often look at the average stack size and the blind level to see if my entry size stack is just too small to be given a decent chance to build up within the amount of reg time left. In some of the smaller field games, you can enter pretty late while still having an okay chance with the entry stack. So I guess it just depends.

Some people like entering much later, and they might have some decent luck in that strategy. But I have doubts that they are ever doing much better than min cash. Keep in mind that you have to make the final table just for the chance to win 2% or more of the prize pool, and the min cashes start at 1% or less. Winning one mtt every 100 games is better than min cashing with more frequency over those same 100 games while never making a FT.



Lets say you have an ITM% of 20%, and you play the $2 entry 1k/1.5k gtd game each day--so starting roll here is $200 (doing this without the 10% rake fee to round off the numbers). You get about $40 profit from the 20 min cashes--with gross being about $80 when min cash is double the entry--while the other 80 games you did not cash in cost you about 160. That would leave you with $80 in your roll, and you would have netted $40 in profit.


Now take the other player who, lets say, has an ITM% of 10%, but he/she also wins a tournament about once in ever 100 games, on average. The 10% cash--lets say all but the win are min cashes--amounts to a gross of about $40 and a net profit of $20, while the one average win per 100 games amounts to about $250 to $300, depending on the actual prize pool amount. The 90 games he/she did not cash in amounts to -$180. So lets say this player wins one tournament, and min cahses in the other 9 games of the 10% ITM over 100 games. 9 games x ($2 buy in + $2 pay out) = $36 (gross)/$18 (net). Now add that to the one game the player wins ($250 to $300 gross, $248 to $298 net), and you have about $286 to $336 (gross)/$266 to $316 (net) from those 100 games. Now subtract the losses of $180, and you are left with $106 to $156 (gross)/$86 to $136 (net).

Notice how the delta between gross and net for the second player is much, much smaller than that of the first player/min casher. This is because of the gross total of winnings ($286 to $336) only having an overhead of $20, a mere 14.3% to 16.8% of the gross total, while the min casher's gross total has an overhead of $40, which is 50% of their gross total of $80.

The first player netted $40, while the second player netted $104 to $154, depending on the prize pool amount of their one mtt win, as the daily game in question varies from 1k to 1.5k depending on the day of the week.

This crude and simple example shows you how big a difference there can be. The player who takes more risks but spreads them out over a longer period of time in order to build a bigger, healthier stack, presumably by entering the game sooner than later, is in a better position to earn more from their winnings, even while having half the ITM%, cashing half as often as the other player, who is consolidating their risk by needing to at least double, if not triple up in a very short period of time just to have a chance to min cash. It also demonstrates why all of the advice from pros and winning players is to enter early and go for the win, rather than entering late and/or settling for a higher frequency of min cashes; they know from experience that going for the win is the best way to go if you want to be a winning player in the long run, and going for the win is much easier to do when you start as close to the beginning of the game as possible.
 
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This is true if you're definitely looking to min-cash or get a little higher than that. If you're looking for more of a profit and a long run, I would late reg after a few levels. This way the blinds are still somewhat small and you can play non-shove poker for a bit.


Do you say about fish at start? Sure, I am agree. But it's true, if you know about "fish existing" in this tournament. If event is serious it can be with no fish or too small count. So in this case it's not profit to use late reg - you are just losing time for stack growing.
Yeah, we spoke about fish-overloaded tournaments but unfortunately these events have usually high speed. So you will haven't played it without pushing. In my opinion the most profit idea is get min-cash. But maybe you have good experience with late reg + good cash?
 
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I noticed an error in my math, but I was not able to edit because it was after 30 minutes from when I posted. So here is the piece that I was trying to correct.


Now subtract the losses of $180, and you are left with $86 to $136 (net).

The first player netted $40, while the second player netted $86 to $136, depending on the prize pool amount of their one mtt win, as the daily game in question varies from 1k to 1.5k depending on the day of the week.
 
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