Poker Orifice
FoolsTilt
Platinum Level
hee hee hee.... SB types in chat, "shove" Hero raises to 880, SB folds
Love it!
nice thread! Just reading through it all now & am enjoying it.
hee hee hee.... SB types in chat, "shove" Hero raises to 880, SB folds
Love it!
nice thread! Just reading through it all now & am enjoying it.
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baudib1
Legend
Silver Level
Had a tough session against a guy today.
He didn't fall for any of my usual B.S. Was calling down all the time on 3rd pair when I missed draws. He owned me for several games.
So I adjusted in midgame once. I started folding BTN a lot, running around 45/30 instead of usual 70/54. He folded his button a ton so I was profiting off the exchange. He then in turn started folding BB a lot more to steals and folded to cbets more often.
I also started limping a polarized range. A2-AT and K2-K8 and QQ once, as well as total trash like 43s. He never raised when I limped. The first few times I started doing this, I checked down with A-high. When I flopped top pair, I bet and he called down a few times with 2nd/3rd pair and I always had it. So I started adding more trash to my limping range, and would cbet any flop with an Ace or face card. He folded almost every time except once when he flopped a flush draw.
I started to grind him down over several blind levels, reversing a 2-1 chip lead into a 2-1 chip advantage and finally he shoved 77 for 30 BBs over my open and I called with AJ and won.
He didn't fall for any of my usual B.S. Was calling down all the time on 3rd pair when I missed draws. He owned me for several games.
So I adjusted in midgame once. I started folding BTN a lot, running around 45/30 instead of usual 70/54. He folded his button a ton so I was profiting off the exchange. He then in turn started folding BB a lot more to steals and folded to cbets more often.
I also started limping a polarized range. A2-AT and K2-K8 and QQ once, as well as total trash like 43s. He never raised when I limped. The first few times I started doing this, I checked down with A-high. When I flopped top pair, I bet and he called down a few times with 2nd/3rd pair and I always had it. So I started adding more trash to my limping range, and would cbet any flop with an Ace or face card. He folded almost every time except once when he flopped a flush draw.
I started to grind him down over several blind levels, reversing a 2-1 chip lead into a 2-1 chip advantage and finally he shoved 77 for 30 BBs over my open and I called with AJ and won.
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baudib1
Legend
Silver Level
Betting river for thin value is really key HU.
I was playing a guy I know in a bunch of HU games. We talk about our hands a lot and we have sick leveling going on.
He randomly limps on the button occasionally and usually has mid-connectors. This river was sick. I was going to put this in the strat forum to see what people would suggest on this river.
On the button I'd check this back about 100% I think. OOP I have no clue what to do here. I think I am committed to calling if he shoves but he sure as hell won't bet a worse hand if I check. I think betting is good because his range is mostly Jx.
I like spots where people ASSUME you are polarized and have mostly air. Guy told me afterward that he had my range as QQ+/total air and he said because it's the Ac he then narrowed it to AA/total air -- "You can't bet QQ-KK there!" -- so he likes his call on river.
No Limit Holdem Tournament
FullTiltPoker
2 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
$5 + $0.25 Heads Up Sit & Go
Stacks:
SB (2,175)
Hero (BB) (3,825)
Blinds: 20/40
Pre-Flop: (60, 2 players) Hero is BB K:spade: K:diamond:
SB calls 20, Hero raises to 120, SB calls 80
Flop: 4:club: J:club: 9:heart: (240, 2 players)
Hero bets 160, SB calls 160
Turn: 9:diamond: (560, 2 players)
Hero bets 360, SB calls 360
River: A:club: (1,280, 2 players)
Hero bets 640, SB says "&@@! me", SB says "AA?", SB calls 640
Final Pot: 2,560
SB shows
J:diamond: 5:diamond:
Hero shows two pair, Kings and Nines
K:spade: K:diamond:
Hero wins 2,560 (net +1,280)
SB lost 1,280
I was playing a guy I know in a bunch of HU games. We talk about our hands a lot and we have sick leveling going on.
He randomly limps on the button occasionally and usually has mid-connectors. This river was sick. I was going to put this in the strat forum to see what people would suggest on this river.
On the button I'd check this back about 100% I think. OOP I have no clue what to do here. I think I am committed to calling if he shoves but he sure as hell won't bet a worse hand if I check. I think betting is good because his range is mostly Jx.
I like spots where people ASSUME you are polarized and have mostly air. Guy told me afterward that he had my range as QQ+/total air and he said because it's the Ac he then narrowed it to AA/total air -- "You can't bet QQ-KK there!" -- so he likes his call on river.
No Limit Holdem Tournament
FullTiltPoker
2 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
$5 + $0.25 Heads Up Sit & Go
Stacks:
SB (2,175)
Hero (BB) (3,825)
Blinds: 20/40
Pre-Flop: (60, 2 players) Hero is BB K:spade: K:diamond:
SB calls 20, Hero raises to 120, SB calls 80
Flop: 4:club: J:club: 9:heart: (240, 2 players)
Hero bets 160, SB calls 160
Turn: 9:diamond: (560, 2 players)
Hero bets 360, SB calls 360
River: A:club: (1,280, 2 players)
Hero bets 640, SB says "&@@! me", SB says "AA?", SB calls 640
Final Pot: 2,560
SB shows
J:diamond: 5:diamond:
Hero shows two pair, Kings and Nines
K:spade: K:diamond:
Hero wins 2,560 (net +1,280)
SB lost 1,280
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Rock Star
Silver Level
Using the good 'ole merge, eh? I really like that bet on the river, since you have him on such a narrow range. He's almost obliged to call your bet with his (good) bluff catcher, since he thinks it's a lot more likely that you're having air here rather than AA. nh sir!
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baudib1
Legend
Silver Level
This is more merge/bragging, really just a fun hand.
A friend was watching when I did this and asked if it was a value bet. I said I don't know. So I guess that's a merge.
But I put this player pretty squarely on bottom/middle pair, so I basically feel like I'm floating the flop with overs, and my 6 is doing pretty good against that range. When he doesn't shove over this minraise on the turn it pretty much restricts the upper end of his range; i.e., he doesn't have a King here ever.
So I have a lot going for me here. He has an extremely marginal, 1 pair hand. I hardly ever limp, and that implies some threat of a monster on occasion. The board is drawy and any number of scare cards can get him to fold. My range destroys his, even if mine has a lot more perceived air. But since I have air, and all draws bricked, I can get called by worse on occasion...
No Limit Holdem Tournament
FullTiltPoker
2 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
$5 + $0.25 Heads Up Sit & Go
Stacks:
SB Hero (4,535)
BB hip31 (1,465)
Blinds: 50/100
Pre-Flop: (150, 2 players) Hero is SB 9:diamond: 6:diamond:
Hero calls 50, hip31 checks
Flop: 5:club: 10:spade: K:spade: (200, 2 players)
hip31 bets 100, Hero calls 100
Turn: 6:club: (400, 2 players)
hip31 bets 100, Hero raises to 200, hip31 calls 100
River: 7:heart: (800, 2 players)
hip31 checks, Hero bets 800, hip31 calls 800
Final Pot: 2,400
hip31 shows
2:heart: 5:heart:
Hero shows a pair of Sixes
9:diamond: 6:diamond:
Hero wins 2,400 (net +1,200)
hip31 lost 1,200
A friend was watching when I did this and asked if it was a value bet. I said I don't know. So I guess that's a merge.
But I put this player pretty squarely on bottom/middle pair, so I basically feel like I'm floating the flop with overs, and my 6 is doing pretty good against that range. When he doesn't shove over this minraise on the turn it pretty much restricts the upper end of his range; i.e., he doesn't have a King here ever.
So I have a lot going for me here. He has an extremely marginal, 1 pair hand. I hardly ever limp, and that implies some threat of a monster on occasion. The board is drawy and any number of scare cards can get him to fold. My range destroys his, even if mine has a lot more perceived air. But since I have air, and all draws bricked, I can get called by worse on occasion...
No Limit Holdem Tournament
FullTiltPoker
2 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
$5 + $0.25 Heads Up Sit & Go
Stacks:
SB Hero (4,535)
BB hip31 (1,465)
Blinds: 50/100
Pre-Flop: (150, 2 players) Hero is SB 9:diamond: 6:diamond:
Hero calls 50, hip31 checks
Flop: 5:club: 10:spade: K:spade: (200, 2 players)
hip31 bets 100, Hero calls 100
Turn: 6:club: (400, 2 players)
hip31 bets 100, Hero raises to 200, hip31 calls 100
River: 7:heart: (800, 2 players)
hip31 checks, Hero bets 800, hip31 calls 800
Final Pot: 2,400
hip31 shows
2:heart: 5:heart:
Hero shows a pair of Sixes
9:diamond: 6:diamond:
Hero wins 2,400 (net +1,200)
hip31 lost 1,200
Dreams of Tragedy
dreamsoftragedy.com
Silver Level
hear one for your like.....i call this the wrong time to 3-bet me time...and yes I know i lost value on the flop, but did not want to risk him just calling and hitting a set on me.
pokerstars Game #59484791712: Tournament #376839463, $5.00+$0.25 USD Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2011/03/19 23:13:46 ET
Table '376839463 1' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: JeetKuneDo1 (1630 in chips)
Seat 2: player 2 (1370 in chips)
JeetKuneDo1: posts small blind 10
player 2: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JeetKuneDo1 [Ah Ad]
JeetKuneDo1: raises 40 to 60
player 2: raises 40 to 100
JeetKuneDo1: raises 160 to 260
player 2: calls 160
*** FLOP *** [5h Jc 2s]
player 2: bets 300
JeetKuneDo1: raises 1070 to 1370 and is all-in
player 2: folds
Uncalled bet (1070) returned to JeetKuneDo1
JeetKuneDo1 collected 1120 from pot
JeetKuneDo1: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1120 | Rake 0
Board [5h Jc 2s]
Seat 1: JeetKuneDo1 (button) (small blind) collected (1120)
Seat 2: player 2 (big blind) folded on the Flop
pokerstars Game #59484791712: Tournament #376839463, $5.00+$0.25 USD Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2011/03/19 23:13:46 ET
Table '376839463 1' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: JeetKuneDo1 (1630 in chips)
Seat 2: player 2 (1370 in chips)
JeetKuneDo1: posts small blind 10
player 2: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JeetKuneDo1 [Ah Ad]
JeetKuneDo1: raises 40 to 60
player 2: raises 40 to 100
JeetKuneDo1: raises 160 to 260
player 2: calls 160
*** FLOP *** [5h Jc 2s]
player 2: bets 300
JeetKuneDo1: raises 1070 to 1370 and is all-in
player 2: folds
Uncalled bet (1070) returned to JeetKuneDo1
JeetKuneDo1 collected 1120 from pot
JeetKuneDo1: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1120 | Rake 0
Board [5h Jc 2s]
Seat 1: JeetKuneDo1 (button) (small blind) collected (1120)
Seat 2: player 2 (big blind) folded on the Flop
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Rock Star
Silver Level
Why chase him off? He has very small equity against your hand on the flop (10-12%, depending on what he has). If he has AK, he's nearly drawing dead. The board is also super dry, so the best he can have here is a pocket pair, but you're an overwhelming favorite against that.
I smooth call this and jam turn if he bets. If he spikes his set, good for him. More often than not though, he'll have nothing, at best a pair or some sort of a draw. When we raise his bet on the turn (pot ~1000 before his bet) he'll already be pot commited and will call with any pair, any two overcards and any draw.
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Dreams of Tragedy
dreamsoftragedy.com
Silver Level
that would of not work on him ...in earlyer hands he would bet the flop but then shut down on the turn and river....he was a good flop player but bad turn and river player...some times they call some times they don't...i wanted him to pay for his he had a draw....
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Rock Star
Silver Level
Then raise less, to 600-700 or something. He's obviously not calling your all in with any kind of draw.
Suited Frenzy
CardsChat Elite
Silver Level
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Rock Star
Silver Level
Obviously the backdoor str8 & flush draws
Straight draw is not a backdoor. And I was referring to drawing to a set, like DOT was thinking. Or two overcards.
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RamdeeBen
Legend
Silver Level
Heres one for you,
opinions on this play by me and the reason I ask is because the player berated me in chat for it and words 10 hands later after I beat him was "Don't rematch me donk"
The guy is a winning player (Over $1k in heads up winnings) He used to play $10-$50 buy-in levels, I guess he withdrew recently because he's stuck in the micros and the only reasons I'm asking if it was correct (even though I think/thought it was) is with a winning player saying not and berating was either honest truth or just tilted by my river card.
Anyway, here's the hand - I thought it's correct 4bet shove, enough equity to make it profitable you think baudib1? I thought from the way he played, quite tight/aggresive that at CURRENT he might have me beat when he 3bet me (deffo has something) but I thought with a pair myself "okish kicker" and one over with flush draw I thought we have enough equity to make this a winner?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 1.5 Tournament, 40/80 Blinds (2 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (BB) (t909)
SB (t2091)
Hero's M: 7.58
Preflop: Hero is BB with Q
, 8
SB calls t40, Hero checks
Flop: (t160) 6
, J
, 8
(2 players)
Hero bets t80, SB raises to t240, Hero raises to t829 (All-In), SB calls t589
Turn: (t1818) 5
(2 players, 1 all-in)
River: (t1818) A
(2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: t1818
opinions on this play by me and the reason I ask is because the player berated me in chat for it and words 10 hands later after I beat him was "Don't rematch me donk"
The guy is a winning player (Over $1k in heads up winnings) He used to play $10-$50 buy-in levels, I guess he withdrew recently because he's stuck in the micros and the only reasons I'm asking if it was correct (even though I think/thought it was) is with a winning player saying not and berating was either honest truth or just tilted by my river card.
Anyway, here's the hand - I thought it's correct 4bet shove, enough equity to make it profitable you think baudib1? I thought from the way he played, quite tight/aggresive that at CURRENT he might have me beat when he 3bet me (deffo has something) but I thought with a pair myself "okish kicker" and one over with flush draw I thought we have enough equity to make this a winner?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 1.5 Tournament, 40/80 Blinds (2 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (BB) (t909)
SB (t2091)
Hero's M: 7.58
Preflop: Hero is BB with Q
SB calls t40, Hero checks
Flop: (t160) 6
Hero bets t80, SB raises to t240, Hero raises to t829 (All-In), SB calls t589
Turn: (t1818) 5
River: (t1818) A
Total pot: t1818
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RamdeeBen
Legend
Silver Level
Yeah, well as you can see, I didn't either.
I was concerned at his berating of me making the shove and because he has over 1k in winnings via headsups and told me "it's awfully, bad losing call" I begged to differ and wondered if it's +ev to make this shove or not.
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baudib1
Legend
Silver Level
As Doyle said, you have the hand that can't be dead (pair + FD is always live vs. 1 player). 2nd pair is usually going to be good here and it doesn't matter if it's not because A. he can sometimes fold 99-TT, A8 B. we have enough equity to get it in no matter what he has especially given how short effective stacks are.
we have 45% vs. the top of his range (AJ+), it's a limped pot so there's no way his range is only TPTK+.
Board: Jh 6h 8s
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 44.821% 44.57% 00.25% 16325 93.00 { Qh8h }
Hand 1: 55.179% 54.92% 00.25% 20119 93.00 { JJ+, 88, 66, AJs, J8s, 86s, J8o, 86o }
In general, don't take advice from people in chat.
we have 45% vs. the top of his range (AJ+), it's a limped pot so there's no way his range is only TPTK+.
Board: Jh 6h 8s
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 44.821% 44.57% 00.25% 16325 93.00 { Qh8h }
Hand 1: 55.179% 54.92% 00.25% 20119 93.00 { JJ+, 88, 66, AJs, J8s, 86s, J8o, 86o }
In general, don't take advice from people in chat.
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baudib1
Legend
Silver Level
link to LOL thread, for LOLs
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/poker-goals-challenges-wins-46/hu-sngs-so-lol-193171/
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/poker-goals-challenges-wins-46/hu-sngs-so-lol-193171/
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RamdeeBen
Legend
Silver Level
You're hoping to draw me arent you?
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baudib1
Legend
Silver Level
how can I play? are Americans allowed?
Some thoughts as I review this thread:
In OP I talked about floating OOP; obviously I think how often you do this should be based on your postflop skill and how often your opponent is firing. Someone who is bad postflop and gives up after the flop can obviously be floated wider.
Some thoughts as I review this thread:
In OP I talked about floating OOP; obviously I think how often you do this should be based on your postflop skill and how often your opponent is firing. Someone who is bad postflop and gives up after the flop can obviously be floated wider.
Poker Orifice
FoolsTilt
Platinum Level
here's the link > https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cardschat-league-43/cardschat-heads-up-championship-2011-a-200972/
It is in 'HomeGames' on PokerStars 'playchip' games for this but there are prizes awarded to top finishers (not sure what it is for this one... check the link). US players are allowed to play.. 'playchip'.
There's also a CC Team league on Stars, winning teams get Amazon cards (I think?) along with poker books, & I think 5 DTB 1mth. memberships for 3rd place team? League is already running but you never know, one team might have someone drop out & need to pick up another player (has happened once already this season... I think we're on wk3?)
It is in 'HomeGames' on PokerStars 'playchip' games for this but there are prizes awarded to top finishers (not sure what it is for this one... check the link). US players are allowed to play.. 'playchip'.
There's also a CC Team league on Stars, winning teams get Amazon cards (I think?) along with poker books, & I think 5 DTB 1mth. memberships for 3rd place team? League is already running but you never know, one team might have someone drop out & need to pick up another player (has happened once already this season... I think we're on wk3?)
Dreams of Tragedy
dreamsoftragedy.com
Silver Level
oh i feel so left out!!!lol