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Personally I love turbos. Half the table usually donks themselves out. I prefer the 6.00+.50 9 person sit n go's. It just seems like I have better luck than when I play the 3.40's. Plus less % of rake! Also the 3.40's are 10 players.
 
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ROI means next to nothing

This seems really high, 30% really? I thought most "good" players experienced ROI of 10-15%.

I love seeing threads about ROI. ROI has no real bearing on how good of a poker player you are. For example: I bought in for $2.00 dollars last week, and by this week, I have already turned that $2.00 dollars into $100 dollars by playing heads up sitngos, for an ROI of 5,000%. 5,000% means absolutely nothing. What you REALLY want to know is your WINNING vs LOSING PERCENTAGE. I win an average of 55 percent of all headsup sitngo's that I play. I might lose 8 sitngos in a row, and I might win 11 sitngos in a row. But out of every 100 games I play, I will grind out a profit of about 5 more wins than what I lose. THIS is the formula that will keep me earning money, not my ROI. ROI is a joke. Remember, anybody in a casino or even on Wall Street can strike it rich at anypoint. Don't let your ROI fool you. You can be a losing poker player with an ROI over 100%. But if you give it time, it will eventually catch up with you. If you want to know how good you Really are, Find out what your winning vs your losing percentage is. :)
 
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Hi, welcome to CC. I wonder if you realize you bumped a 3 year old thread?
 
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I love seeing threads about ROI. ROI has no real bearing on how good of a poker player you are. For example: I bought in for $2.00 dollars last week, and by this week, I have already turned that $2.00 dollars into $100 dollars by playing heads up sitngos, for an ROI of 5,000%. 5,000% means absolutely nothing. What you REALLY want to know is your WINNING vs LOSING PERCENTAGE. I win an average of 55 percent of all headsup sitngo's that I play. I might lose 8 sitngos in a row, and I might win 11 sitngos in a row. But out of every 100 games I play, I will grind out a profit of about 5 more wins than what I lose. THIS is the formula that will keep me earning money, not my ROI. ROI is a joke. Remember, anybody in a casino or even on Wall Street can strike it rich at anypoint. Don't let your ROI fool you. You can be a losing poker player with an ROI over 100%. But if you give it time, it will eventually catch up with you. If you want to know how good you Really are, Find out what your winning vs your losing percentage is. :)

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Your ROI isn't 5000% if you turn $2 into $1000 - you had to play more than one game, which means you invested more money than just $2.

So say you have a roll of $20, and you're buying into a HUSNG for $2.20, $2 goes to the prize pool. You play 10 games, and you win 6. So you've won $24, but invested $2.20*10 = $22 to get there. So you have a profit of $2, and since you've invested $22, your ROI is $2/$22 = 9%. The way you figured it, you turned your roll of $20 into $22, which you calculate as a 110% ROI... That's just flat out wrong, you're calculating it completely incorrectly.

I would normally just lock a thread like this on sight, but I was so taken aback by your post that I will keep it open merely to educate you, lol. (and I know that sounds elitist and whatever, but seriously, your calculation is so miserably wrong I don't know what to do with myself).
 
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Well, the difference is that you invested more than that $2 along the way - unless somehow you entered a $2 heads-up and the prize pool was $1000, lol (that would be sick!).

But yeah, it almost sounds like what you were describing with your win/loss ratio is similar to what your ROI is normally considered for heads-up.
 
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I always thought your ROI meant "return on investment." Which means if I originally purchased gold at $500 dollars an ounce and it went all the way up to $2,000 an ounce, I would get a 400% return on my initial investment.

My initial poker investment was $2 dollars of my own money. It shouldn't matter how many times I reinvest my money into other poker games. Just like in the stock market, you reinvest your earnings and your dividends. For example, if I buy Google for $1 dollar a share and it eventually goes up to $600 hundred dollars a share, I ultimately made a 60,000% percent return! I don't break it down each time I reinvest my $500 dollars, and then my $520 dollars, and then my $550 dollars, and so forth... Remember, I started with just one dollar!

My percentage rate of return in poker would be about 5 percent (Based on my winning percentage). However, my return on my initial investment would be 50 fold, or 5,000%.

However, this is not the reason why I wrote in this forum. The following is the reason:

Lets just say you bought in for $500 dollars, and played 200, $10 dollar heads up sitngo's and you won 150 of them. That's pretty damn good, giving you a 75% win rate.

Scenario one: You played straight through, but you hit a nasty cold streak between games 175 to 181 where you lost 6 in a row. However, the cold streak didn't matter because you played just $10 dollars at a time. By game 200, you won 50 more matches than you lost, for a net profit of $500 dollars, therefore doubling your money to $1,000 dollars, for an ROI of 100%.

Scenario two: You decided to double down on your loses, so you could make a profit faster, but you hit the same cold streak between games 175 to 181. You lost 6 in a row. Unfortunately by doubling down to try to recoup your loses, you lost $10, $20, $50, $100, $200, and finally $400. Because you doubled down, You lost a total of $780 dollars over those 6 games. By game 200, you still won 50 more matches than you lost, but instead of being up $1,000 dollars, you are down, minus -$220 dollars from your original $500. Your ROI is somewhere around -40%. However, you still won a total of 150 games out of the 200 you played, for a 75% win rate.

As you can see, your ROI is more dependent on the bankroll management strategy you choose to utilize rather than your poker skill level. The person in both scenarios is an outstanding, winning, poker player, who consistantly wins 75 percent of his matches. However, how he chose to manage his money ultimately determined if his ROI was 100% or -40%.

Hope this helps
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