This is a discussion on Double or Nothing Games within the online poker forums, in the Tournament Poker section; Hello,
Just wanted to get the boards opinion on Double or Nothing games. I feel like when I play the low level DoN games I have
DON's are easily rigged by collusion. Because of this you will not see many people playing those games. My opinion on them is to look at all the tables and if you see the same names playing and registering, steer clear...you will be targeted.
I think it more depends on what you're looking for. I personally am trying to get in a grinding way and thus these would take far too long and for far too little profit to be worthwhile. However, if you're just looking for some time to kill and don't care if you win much, then I feel these could be a solid game for you. I've played them before, but not quiet my thing.
The last DoN $1.35 I played was a damn rock garden. It was the most difficult dollar I had to earn all day. I stopped playing them that day after that experience.
Literally we were 10 handed for over a hour and the blinds/antes were HIGH. Nobody wanted to get knocked out. It started turning into a cross your fingers and pray that your shove holds when hitting the 10-15 BB range.
I play a lot of DoN's on different rooms and have played them at different levels. T think the type of players you encouter varies a lot from room to room. Also (Hyper)Turbo or Regular is a big difference as to how players play.
And like any type of poker game, with the right techniques and tactics they can be profitable or not.
So if you like playing those, then find the right way to play and type of DoN that fits your style of play and make money
I'm not a huge fan of the Double or Nothing or Fifty50 however some folks do quite well with these. I found I had to be super patient and pay extra attention to the players at the table. Like someone said, it's the hardest dollar I had to earn.
I use to play them quite a lot but im staying away from them and for that matter iv stop playing mtts for awhile mostly cash for me . I will play some like the world cup and a few others and the free rolls
Idk, I like them... yes its a grinders pardise or hell by what ever way you want to look at it, the play is slow and you have to be patient but I think they are very easy to place in and if you dont like varience or are trying to build your bankroll then they are great. I also dont understand why people would cheat more in these then any sit and go. as most of the time people cheating split the total amount won so even if one guy is first, next second so on they all share the money equaly... I think alot of these theories about online cheating are just theroise. there is definitly cheating but the way people thinking its done is kind of illfounded most poker players cheating together are good friends.
I actually like these tournaments. I find them pretty easy to cash in if you can harness some restraint. Often I'll play one, then if I win use that winnings to enter a higher end tournament. Then if I cash in THAT one, use that winnings to...
The key to making a good amount of money in these games is playing a TON of volume. Even if your RIO is only 2% you can make a ton of money in RB. Of course u have to be good at multi tabling to do this.
I am a fan of these because if you can make the decision and let the others knock each other around, and pick the right spot it takes like one good hand and you will be able to win these... I have watched many play and saw this one guy win 8 in a row on the 15 don on winning network.. it is legitimate poker game...
Overall you'll probably lose money. Taking the reg fee into account, its never a full double up. Pokerstars 50/50s are a better format.
I used to play them on ipoker. The one dollar was 86c buy in and 14c reg. So the most you could win was 86c. If you lose one you need to win the next two to get your money back. If you lose two in a row. You need to win the next three. That's about five hours play for a slight profit. Lose three and you're there the whole day trying to get your money back. Honestly you'd be better off working! I hear the reg fees aren't so bad at higher stakes but at micros they're bad.
DONs are easily the highest ROI poker variant available, especially for players that are tight but can recognize weakness at their table and exploit that weakness. They are also incredibly slow/boring and barely qualify as poker IMO. For the right type of player, they are very profitable. For the wrong types of players (LAGs, impatient players), they are certain bankroll killers.
I have a very high ROI playing DONs, but they are so mind-numbingly boring that I don't play them any more.
When playing double or nothing games I find within 3-5 hands you'll find the players that are all in or playing slow. I wait till I'm strong, Doyle says if you wait most time you'll be in the money on single table. Most times I find it true cause you only have to place fifth. good luck
I'd never really seen one of the "double or nothings" in the listings before I played one recently at Carbon. Considering the rake, you probably need a 57% -ish cash rate to break even considering the rake. If you only cash half the time, don't do it. If you cash 2/3 or more, go for it.
DONs are a good choice if there's a sng leaderboard running where you play...And my advice would be simple, never play a few, always make a multitable session so you can get out of it with some profit...What you wrote doesn't make a sense to me tho, bigger buyins almost always means a lower rake per game and if we are talking about multitable, well do the math...Cheers!
Does anyone have a good strategy for these games? I can't decide if it is best to play a little loose or to play tight in these types of games.
Definitely a good bankroll builder for me is what I feel like so I would like to improve my game significantly in these games. So far I have 'almost' bubbled in one but I managed to not have to push at the end thanks to someone else doing that for me. Bubble play is weird according to return so it almost isn't worth it to call an all in on the bubble since the payout is the same once in the money.
Anyway, if someone could maybe show me a few profitable strategies to these games I would really appreciate it. Thanks!
I dont play many of them any more but when i did it seams like players played tight much like live poker in these games play good hands only. Once you get short its tough getting back in the money and other players know it blinds go up and you start getting push around good luck with them.
In my experience, how tight or loose you should play these depends heavily on the table dynamics. If you have several loosefish at the table, particularly the kind who limp-call any pre-flop raise then get spewy post-flop with TP weak kicker or 2nd pair, tighten up your range to premiums only because they will be gone soon. I've cashed in a number of DoN's at tables like these without playing a single hand, generally they won't take long at all.
On the other end of the spectrum, if you're at a table full of rocks, you have to start stealing blinds in position in unopened pots with less than premium holdings to stay ahead of the blinds. If you're raising against rocks, they will usually just fold but if you get three-bet shoved on then you know they have something.
The biggest mistake I see people make in these on the bubble is getting impatient and calling all-ins for most or all of their stacks with hands like weak suited Aces or very low pairs. You should be very reluctant to call all-in's on the bubble, you want to take maximum advantage of fold equity and this isn't the way to do it.
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