***December SNG Thread***

[WiZZiM]

Anyone seen this? Thoughts?

http://www.pokernewsdaily.com/poker-players-alliance-comments-on-harry-reid-online-poker-bill-17118/

So it looks like it may be leagalized, but for two years FT and Stars will be shut out, so essentially the US will be without online poker for two years...

 

[Lofwyr]

I very much do not like the idea of having no internet poker for 2 years...especially when I'm just getting back into a groove of consistently playing. Getting legislation through that will regulate this stuff properly would be awesome though.

What's the 2 year freeze for? Just to appease live casinos? Greedy bastards...

 

[cardplayer52]

Poker can be fun sometimes.


Full Tilt - $5+0.50 $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go (#203241939) - Blinds: 40/80 No Limit Hold'em (4 players)
Full Tilt Hand Converter Tool from CardsChat.com
SB: $1455.00
BB: $6210.00
UTG: $4425.00
BTN cardplayer52: $1410.00
Pre-flop: ($120.00) Hero is BTN and dealt
UTG raises to $160.00, cardplayer52 raises to $1410.00 (All-in), 2 folds, UTG calls $1250.00
Flop: ($2940.00) (2 players)
Turn: ($2940.00) (2 players)
River: ($2940.00) (2 players)
Final Pot: $2940.00
Showdown:
cardplayer52 shows
UTG shows
Outcome: cardplayer52 wins $2940.00

 

[cardplayer52]

Anyone seen this? Thoughts?

http://www.pokernewsdaily.com/poker-players-alliance-comments-on-harry-reid-online-poker-bill-17118/

So it looks like it may be leagalized, but for two years FT and Stars will be shut out, so essentially the US will be without online poker for two years...

My bet is the casinos will have some US based on-line site up and running for that 2 year period.

 

[Debi]

My bet is the casinos will have some US based on-line site up and running for that 2 year period.

We won't be that lucky - supposedly there will be no legal online casinos in the US during that period.

Let's continue this discussion in this thread:


https://www.cardschat.com/forum/pok...nline-wagering-187863/index2.html#post1619423

 

[Logan2]

how is everyones mont going?

100+ games, active all 7 days, on road for Silver and end-year bonus, 1 more table added (7), barely positive (4-5%).


Nice hand CP, didn´t know that you were playing my same level, are you playing stds?.


in other things, end the hobbit and now rereading The fellowship of the ring.

 

[BEERM4N]

Was short of my goal of $1000 profit last month by $180.

This month:

1. $1100 profit
2. 300 SNGs
3. 3 Sessions with my coach
4. Earn enough FTPs to keep my cash back bonus

1. Sitting at around $900 profit so far
2. About 200 complete
3. 1 session complete
4. About 200 FTPs to get before 16th Dec

I guess i can say goodbye to this thread now as my game isn't considered and SNG anymore since Tilt brought out the On Demand trnys. But the trnys are now easier

 

[Lofwyr]

on demand tourneys? like...5k player SNGs or something?

 

[ManicLombax]

Yeah, kinda cool:

http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/on-demand-tournaments

 

[cardplayer52]

100+ games, active all 7 days, on road for Silver and end-year bonus, 1 more table added (7), barely positive (4-5%).


Nice hand CP, didn´t know that you were playing my same level, are you playing stds?.


in other things, end the hobbit and now rereading The fellowship of the ring.

yes i'm playing standards. i'm mixing the $5s and $10s right now hope to be at all $10s by the end of the month. I'll need to play higher to clear the endyear bonus.

 

[MrEpic94]

had an insane day today, 3 wins 2 3rds out of 55 $4/180man SNGs. Pretty sick.

probably sickest beat I took today, with 10 left for over 1/3rd of remaining chips got it in here.

PokerStars - $4+$0.40|400/800 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
Hero (CO): 39,003.00
BTN: 70,994.00
SB: 19,443.00
BB: 10,837.00
UTG: 21,497.00
Hero posts ante 75.00, BTN posts ante 75.00, SB posts ante 75.00, BB posts ante 75.00, UTG posts ante 75.00, SB posts SB 400.00, BB posts BB 800.00
Pre Flop: (1575.00) Hero has A:diamond: K:spade:
fold, Hero raises to 2,400.00, BTN raises to 6,400.00, fold, fold, Hero calls 4,000.00
Flop: (14375.00, 2 players) 9:heart: K:club: 2:heart:
Hero checks, BTN bets 8,000.00, Hero raises to 16,000.00, BTN raises to 64,519.00 and is all-in, Hero calls 16,528.00 and is all-in
Turn: (79431.00, 2 players) 8:club:
River: (79431.00, 2 players) 3:club:
Hero shows A:diamond: K:spade: (One Pair, Kings) (PreFlop 70%, Flop 94%, Turn 80%)
BTN shows Q:club: A:club: (Flush, Ace High) (PreFlop 30%, Flop 6%, Turn 20%)
BTN wins 79,431.00

 

[Debi]

yes i'm playing standards. i'm mixing the $5s and $10s right now hope to be at all $10s by the end of the month. I'll need to play higher to clear the endyear bonus.

The why am I having to dodge you in my turbos? lol

 

[Logan2]

yes i'm playing standards. i'm mixing the $5s and $10s right now hope to be at all $10s by the end of the month. I'll need to play higher to clear the endyear bonus.

The why am I having to dodge you in my turbos? lol

LOL

I recognize some names from your TT hand, but not have any hand on you so far, will try to stay that way.

How many tables are you playing?. Is not better to try to add more tables instead of jump on stakes?, im guessing that a higher ROI in $5´s than $10´s should be the expected?, or is the same?.

About table selection. I always try to open new tables, in teory if all regulars open new tables then is no way to bump each other and not even need to look when tables are filling, we should make the PPA make this a rule lol.

 

[cardplayer52]

LOL I played a quick session of $2.25 and $6.50 turbos and smashed them hard. I might try playing more turbos. They seem to be full of some horrible players. Logan yes I looked and have 0 hands on you as well. I hardly ever look to see who is in my games I just load them up and play. If I notice 3 or more regs in on of my game I may hop off the table but for th most part I don't notice. I play 16 tables and believe it or not my ROI doesn't seem to be too much different between the $5s and the $10s.

 

[Clambake420]

don't know where to ask this and didn't want to start a new thread for it. But anybody ever see this at their table. Someones sitting out and in the chat window somebody with that players exact name was chatting as an observer. Don't know if its worth emailing PS about it to have them look into it or what.

 

[MrEpic94]

don't know where to ask this and didn't want to start a new thread for it. But anybody ever see this at their table. Someones sitting out and in the chat window somebody with that players exact name was chatting as an observer. Don't know if its worth emailing PS about it to have them look into it or what.

seems a bit odd, I would definitly email stars with HH/tourney id

 

[pat3392]

Anyone seen this? Thoughts?

http://www.pokernewsdaily.com/poker-players-alliance-comments-on-harry-reid-online-poker-bill-17118/

So it looks like it may be leagalized, but for two years FT and Stars will be shut out, so essentially the US will be without online poker for two years...

I'm quite concerned about this. Traffic will die down hugely and the reg:fish ratio will increase. What will professional poker players who live in America do? Professional gambler isn't exactly the most appealing profession to be seen at the immigration offices. This, and the threat of internet censorship, may be the catalyst for an "underground" internet, like there was awhile back, forgot it's name.

Meh I hate downswings. $650 is a fair amount of money to me!! Still up $200 though, still brutal, doesn't hurt like my first downswing did

@Bwammo, what do you plan on doing if online poker is banned?

@Wizzim Why not play the 18 instead of the 45? You'll dominate at the FT as it's like a STT and the first table will be more like a 45. I've heard the 18 are very soft + then I'll have 1 less reg to deal with Remember you showed me how to create the custom layout things in pokerstars? I've been using that, but I like to take tables out of my stack so I can check out the action/watch the FT etc but whenever i do this, it "disables" the layouts and new tables start appearing where ever they wish. Does this make sense? If so, is there anyway around this?

EDIT: Does anyone have problems with fatigue whilst playing poker? After 3 hours of poker I'm exhausted and can't focus as well. Heck, I found it easier to focus on 22 tables half way through the session than focusing on 9 at the end. I was finding it difficult to consciously think about my plays; I'd look at a spot for 2 secs not knowing what to do before my conscience kicked in and went over the situation, realising it was a obvious play, happened a few times

 

[WiZZiM]

I'm quite concerned about this. Traffic will die down hugely and the reg:fish ratio will increase. What will professional poker players who live in America do? Professional gambler isn't exactly the most appealing profession to be seen at the immigration offices. This, and the threat of internet censorship, may be the catalyst for an "underground" internet, like there was awhile back, forgot it's name.

Meh I hate downswings. $650 is a fair amount of money to me!! Still up $200 though, still brutal, doesn't hurt like my first downswing did

@Bwammo, what do you plan on doing if online poker is banned?

@Wizzim Why not play the 18 instead of the 45? You'll dominate at the FT as it's like a STT and the first table will be more like a 45. I've heard the 18 are very soft + then I'll have 1 less reg to deal with Remember you showed me how to create the custom layout things in PokerStars? I've been using that, but I like to take tables out of my stack so I can check out the action/watch the FT etc but whenever i do this, it "disables" the layouts and new tables start appearing where ever they wish. Does this make sense? If so, is there anyway around this?

EDIT: Does anyone have problems with fatigue whilst playing poker? After 3 hours of poker I'm exhausted and can't focus as well. Heck, I found it easier to focus on 22 tables half way through the session than focusing on 9 at the end. I was finding it difficult to consciously think about my plays; I'd look at a spot for 2 secs not knowing what to do before my conscience kicked in and went over the situation, realising it was a obvious play, happened a few times

If you have table ninja jump you can setup pre-determined layouts. Also programs like "Placemint" can be helpful. If you have table ninja go into "table control" then you can setup where you want the tables to drop to and set a hotkey for it it's under the heading "Set table aside Hotkeys". Make sure you mark "no snap back".




With the fatigue, it's probably something to do with the sheer number of tables you play earlier on. The brain is probably working overtime trying to keep up in the early mid-stages, once it gets down and you know the session is coming to an end, you may be slowing down without realizing it.

I had similar issues with stacking tables, i found that staring at one point in the screen was causing me to go sleepy. So i kind of fixed that by making the table larger, so my eyes had to move over the screen to view stacks more often. And also i experimented a lot with differant playing times and experimented in playing continuous and playing in sets.

I found my optimal set-up now i think. I play in 25 table sets, taking 5-10 minutes break in between sets so i can stretch, and also staring at something in the distance is great for you're eyes. I load 15 tables up, after 15 minutes i load another 5, and after 15 minutes again i load another 5. This also helps to give me more time in the late stages of the game.

I'm sure it would be differant for you playing the 45's, but i'd be experimenting the best ways that work for you.

 

[pat3392]

If you have table ninja jump you can setup pre-determined layouts. Also programs like "Placemint" can be helpful. If you have table ninja go into "table control" then you can setup where you want the tables to drop to and set a hotkey for it it's under the heading "Set table aside Hotkeys". Make sure you mark "no snap back".




With the fatigue, it's probably something to do with the sheer number of tables you play earlier on. The brain is probably working overtime trying to keep up in the early mid-stages, once it gets down and you know the session is coming to an end, you may be slowing down without realizing it.

I had similar issues with stacking tables, i found that staring at one point in the screen was causing me to go sleepy. So i kind of fixed that by making the table larger, so my eyes had to move over the screen to view stacks more often. And also i experimented a lot with differant playing times and experimented in playing continuous and playing in sets.

I found my optimal set-up now i think. I play in 25 table sets, taking 5-10 minutes break in between sets so i can stretch, and also staring at something in the distance is great for you're eyes. I load 15 tables up, after 15 minutes i load another 5, and after 15 minutes again i load another 5. This also helps to give me more time in the late stages of the game.

I'm sure it would be differant for you playing the 45's, but i'd be experimenting the best ways that work for you.

I ended up getting Hjalper. Hopefully they'll implement some more features. Will check out Placemint, cheers

I reckon the amount of tables is a variable, but there's more to it than that. The other day I had 20 games going and I was struggling to keep up with the action; I felt as if I didn't have control and was making decisions quickly so I could keep up, ended up 16 tabling that session. Literally the next day I loaded up 25 tables and it was a breeze, even had time to log out of my virtual machine, select another album on itunes and load back in, no dramas whatsoever; doing this probably set me back 25-30 seconds. I had a good amount of sleep on both days too. Nothing seemed to be different. Not sure why I felt so tired that day. Today was the same but not as extreme; I played less tables(realised I was probably only capable of doing 18 today) and yet hit a pretty big wall. It sure is quite odd. I should start recording things; what time I play, how much sleep I had, what time I woke up/went to bed, what I ate the night before and how much, how much exercise I've been getting(whether too much or too little), whether I ate breakfast during the 1st break or when I was loading up sessions, how motivated I was to play. One of these variables must be it. Hmm, I'll start taking the dog for a quick walk before I load up, get the blood pumping and give me an appetite for breakfast, should help

Interesting about staring at a small point. I was tiling at the beginning of the session and being over laggy/experimenting. Really, this is probably what influenced the fatigue; I was really thinking about the spots, then became frustrated when I timed out, going to reduce my tables by about 25% I should probably take my breaks from poker. If I'm not playing/studying it, I'm reading/watching videos of it, or making food whilst going over calculations/ranges in my head. Heck I even take the calculator to the toilet with me.....

EDIT: Anyone here good at binomial distribution? Specifically, the relationship between different probabilities(p) when success=1. They made us use darn graphic calculators at school, grrr. Want to start using it in all-in situations, so that I can approximate the % that someone will call

 

[ph_il]

Does anyone have any opinions on the stars 6-max .11 hyper turbo rebuys into the Sunday 1/4th and the .50 hyper turbo rebuys into the sunday warmup?

Super low buy-in for a high variance game, but the pay out seems to be worth it. With only 3 min late reg, no more rebuys after 15 minutes (break) and 3 min blinds so, the game goes fast...

Worth playing?

Edit: just check a completed tourney for the .50 rebuy. 158 players, 2 entries into sunday warmup, 3rd: $32, 50 minutes total gameplay.

Edit-2: I just tried a .50 game, re-bought early for a 1k stack. A lot of all in shoves early, so basic 6-max super turbo strategy applies. If you early rebuy for a 1K stack, you'll start with 20BBs for 25/50/ante 10 for a little breathing room but not much with the 3 minute blinds. at 50/100, you'll have 10BBs and still a chance to run well if you get lucky early. When 100/200 blinds hit, I wouldn't even consider rebuying for a 1K stack, with 5BBs your just spewing money. In fact, it'll probably best to not continue by the 2nd blind round if you haven't doubled up or better in the 1st round...

/early game theory.

 

[ph_il]

Played in 3, here are some basic strats I have picked up so far. Nothing super solid, though as I just started...so must is just theory.

-Rebuy early for a 1K starting stack. Pretty standard and you definitely want the chance to win a 6K pot (6 players all in w/1K stacks) vs a 3K stack. Always double rebuy. Bigger stack gives you a lot more room to maneuver, even by just a little bit.

-During 1st level blinds, 1K stack you have 20 BBs so you do have room to fold a little bit. However, with 3 minute blinds, you definitely need to open your shoving/calling range a lot. Shove a bit tighter in EP and open up in LP. Most time, people are shoving calling with ATC so don't be afraid to gamble with a tiny edge.

-Level 2 blinds, 1K stack is only 10BBs, so now your shove/call range is much wider. Not ATC unless you're super short on blinds. Definitely need to find spots to get your money in and hope for the best. I suggest not rebuying if you bust here since next blind level is 200/400/80 and just way too much for a 1K stack.

-Level 3+, if you've made it this far, you probably have an ok-decent stack size. However, don't tighten up since high blinds and antes eat your right up. You can be a little bit more hand selective with your shoves/calls with 20 BBs, but not by much. Keep in mind that every time blinds go up, it cuts your BB total in half. So, if you're in a spot where you'd shove/call with 10BBs, it's probably best to do with 20BBs to stay ahead.

-Attack the blinds a lot since they'll usually call you light. Defend your blinds a lot lighter than usual as well. Blinds/ante pots are huge chunk of average stacks at the 3rd+ level. So, pick them up as often as you can.

-Against an SS all-in, call situation: if your hand is good enough to call, squeeze play shove. If you get called, you're usually a tiny fav. to win and pick up a nice pots. (Tiny edges+ are golden in this tourney) and if the caller folds to a squeeze play you pick up some dead money and you're usually a bigger edge against the ATC SS shove.

-After rebuy ends, turn up the pressure since there is no more cushion for the players. The blinds/ante pot compared to average stack was a whopping 30% at one point, so you definitely want to pick this up. Don't tighten up at all, in fact I did considerably well turning into a bit of a maniac at this point on one table when I saw how tight everyone was folding. People giving BBs free walks and letting them pick up an easy 2K pot for free...wtf? Middle stacks are the ones you want to attack the most. Anyone between 15-20BBs since they're less likely to call you light with fear of busting out and (if they're bad) they think they can wait for better spots to get their money in. Against bigger stacks, as far as I can tell there were no dominating chip leaders at any of my tables. Just pay attention to see if their play has changed after rebuy ends. A couple of big stacks tightened up considerably and stealing/restealing from them was a little easier.

...more to come.

 

[onemorechance]

gonna be joining the dirty world of sngs next month. shudder.

 

[Debi]

gonna be joining the dirty world of sngs next month. shudder.

Weee - you can cry with me.

 

[OzExorcist]

gonna be joining the dirty world of sngs next month. shudder.

...eeeeeeeexcellent - another convert to the dark side

 

[kincy]

Im grinding the 9 players $1.75 turbo SNG's, making quite a lot of volume.

Though it didnt go very well. played 149 games, was up $35 somewhere around
75 games but ran very bad after that and went down to around $5 profit.

After that it went a bit of both good and bad sessions, now got about $12 profit.

I guess i need to improve my game some more. It's those little decisions that seem to make a lot of difference.

Question: Is a $30 downswing bad at 1.75 turbo 9ppl SNG's? Or is it quite normal?