AsKs vs 22 - MTT - 1st hand.... Thoughts?

USACowboy

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:hello: Hello all -

Am new to this site, but not poker.... Just stumbled accross it - and still kinda finding my way around - Looks good so far...

Anyway, reason I'm posting, is that today I was playing in the Sunday TEC MTT 980 players on UB (which I hate, but won a seat earlier in the week - so what the hell) - Anywho, 1st hand - I'm on the button, and after 3 limpers, it comes to me - Hole cards are As Ks - Blinds have just started - so.... what? $10? $20? - I don't recall (did I mention I hate UB? LOL) So, I hit the "pot" button - So maybe $80?? Seems more now that I think about it - Maybe $180 - Whatever it was, it was "healthy" - so it goes around - fold - fold - then "all in".... Hmmmm - What to do? 1st hand on MTT - HEADS UP....

What do you think the "right" play is here???

I should add, that I've been playing for about 6 years now - but not much online (online is rigged, unless *I* win LOL :D) - Kidding (well Kinda) - I prefer B&M play but I digress -

Can someone give me the preflop odds heads up - and if this is a good or "bad" call?

I'd like to post this and see what answers come - then comment later - BUT am short on time - So will go ahead and add my .02 cents...

I called - 1500 all-in.... Me AK suited him 22...

I caught the ace on the flop - and the rest were blanks..

Point is, this "guy" (aka "the_natural" on UB) - proceeded to rant and cry and whine from the rail about what a sh!tty call that was - as well as my "poor play" - and what rank amatuer I was etc etc etc - Blah blah blah - He then proceeded to follow me table to table - Until I made 1st place LOL - after about 2 hours - I guess he got bored and finally went away...

Anyway, I had JUST read a post on this site about MTT - and some "guidelines" - Don't recall the author at the moment - and thought it was really Poker 101 guidelines kind of stuff - but pretty good basic advice ... Point is, another post in that thread also addressed "bad beats" and that maybe YOU (err ME) was really at fault for playing a "bad hand"... I've debated EV and pot odds - and done the math (in my estimation) - and see this ALL the friggin time on "TV" - It's your typical coin toss race - He's leading roughly 60% vs. 40% preflop (right?) - Putting aside the fact that it was WAY early in the tourny - I've been now thinking if that was a "bad call" on my part? - And was this guys whining justified? -

As said, I usually play B&M's - and rarely online.... But this guy
claimed to be a 10 year veteran, and "made his living" off of internet gambling - The fact that it was a TEC ($0) and his incessent crying and whining - leads me to believe he's really not such a pro to get so upset over what I think is a "calculated call" - But maybe I'm wrong?

Should I have laid down after he came over the top?

Cheers,

Kal
 
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bigjace

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Not the worst call i've ever seen as you're only in big trouble to 2 hands.As its the early stages of a mtt i'm not sure i'd have made it but then again i'm not sure i wouldn't!
To be honest its his own fault for putting his tourney life on the line when he's a big dog to any pair and even behind some suited connectors i think(10/J etc?)
Actually in the early stages of these things people go all in with any old crap so well played mate.
 
IrishDave

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The bottom line is you invested your money and have the right to play the cards as you see fit. Whether I would have called is up in the air but probably so. I was playing a 45 seat SNG on Stars last week and had 99 in the BB. UTG raised 4xBB, and there was one other caller so I figured I splash around with the 9s. Flop came AK9 and I took 2 players out, one had AK the other KQ. Both accused me of making a bad call and really got pissed, so what...
 
robwhufc

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AKs is actually favourite over 22 (albeit only very slightly - 49.8% to 49.6%!). As Jace said, he's the one that's at fault - if he's called he's in trouble so why risk whole stack for small pot - that doesn't make sense? As a internet poker pro, he should know that people will call all-ins with anything first hand. As to whether i'd have called, as it was a freeroll the answer is probably yes (you could easily be up against A3 or KJ), and if i'd have paid to enter probably not.
 
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As a sidenote, www.cardplayer.com has an odds calculator in case you want to compare hands and see how they fare against each other. I don't really have anything to add to the discussion as anything I would have said is already covered. :)
 
JAMILE1

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As I have seen this played out before you are almost even to win against 2 2 I think I saw something like Rob said 49 to 50% to take this pot, I think I would run this race against the 22, I would have called first hand and told him 10 YEAR VETERAN HA!!! MAKING A LIVING ONLINE GAMBLING HA!! PLAYING IN A FREEROLL LMFAO


not yellin at y'all just what I would have said to him


Edit: I'm sure there are a few that make some decent money playing freerolls but to make a living in them. That's rough LOL
 
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I say good call, in fact I did the same yesterday at our CC Titan freeroll.
I was on the button, raised preflop with AK, not a ton but enough to make it interesting, then a limper went over the top all-in. I called him (how often do you get big slick first hand anyway right?) He turns over 99 and I catch an Ace on the flop (I think it was an Ace anyway) anyhow he didn't complain but I say it was a good call.....
 
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F Paulsson said:
As a sidenote, www.cardplayer.com has an odds calculator in case you want to compare hands and see how they fare against each other. I don't really have anything to add to the discussion as anything I would have said is already covered. :)
Stay tuned, our Odds Calculator is on it's way...

Sorry to hijack your thread USACowboy - great post by the way.
 
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equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 50.0842 % 49.77% 00.31% { AsKs }
Hand 2: 49.9158 % 49.60% 00.31% { 2c2d }

Oh, and the first rule of self-evaluation - don't listen to what idiots have to say about you.

Report the guy for harassment btw. :)
 
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In my oh-so-humble-opinion, ;) what was that guy thinking pushing all-in with a pair of 2s??? If I were him, I would have folded that in a heart beat after your pre-flop raise. At most, I would have just called, certainly not pushed all-in. Obviously the guy's an idiot if afterward he continued to follow you around and berate you. I don't see anything wrong with the way you played the hand.
 
USACowboy

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AKs is actually favourite over 22 (albeit only very slightly - 49.8% to 49.6%!)

Thanks all -

Was pleasantly surprised to see some very "objective" replies here to my thoughts... I'm impressed...:)

Thanks for the odds - I wasn't 100% sure at that moment, but figured suited, I was over 40% and really only had 2 other hand to worry about... AKs is actually favourite over 22 (albeit only very slightly - 49.8% to 49.6%!)

I pride myself on semi-solid play and good laydowns as well as good calls (easier to do in B&Ms) but this guy got under my skin as already noted - BUT - I always analise my hands afterwords - and agree that if this were a high $ MTT - I probably would have folded...

Also, I was thinking at the time (and agree with a previous poster) what was this "pro" thinking pushing all-in with 2/2???? - A myriad of hand could beat him (or have him dominated out of the gate) - I was just doing a sanity check of sorts...:eek:

Despite his belittling remarks, I could see him move table to table with me - and actually forced me to play BETTER LOL - I should add that the rest of the table that was pretty quiet, but after about 30 minutes started ganging up on him as well - So - I think it was an "OK" call...

I slept fine last night LOL

:)

Thanks again for the welcome, the sound advice and replies -

Cheers,

KAL
 
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