What to do, what to do?

[SeanyJ]

pokerstars Game #11968269378: Tournament #59855198, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2007/09/09 - 20:10:50 (ET)
Table '59855198 208' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: Cigar001 (17705 in chips)
Seat 2: JMFISH (4858 in chips)
Seat 3: wpecker14 (1648 in chips)
Seat 4: makynmoney (2095 in chips)
Seat 5: quato23 (4551 in chips)
Seat 6: mattymat (2247 in chips)
Seat 7: tuition911 (6105 in chips)
Seat 8: Azreal83 (5050 in chips)
Seat 9: jhpurplehaze (5085 in chips)
Cigar001: posts small blind 75
JMFISH: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Cigar001 [9h 9c]
wpecker14: folds
makynmoney: calls 150
quato23: raises 150 to 300
mattymat: folds
tuition911: folds
Azreal83: calls 300
jhpurplehaze: folds
Cigar001: calls 225
JMFISH: calls 150
makynmoney: raises 1795 to 2095 and is all-in
quato23: calls 1795
Azreal83: folds
Cigar001: calls 1795
JMFISH: calls 1795
*** FLOP *** [Tc Jc 3d]
Cigar001: checks
JMFISH: checks
quato23: bets 2456 and is all-in...


It's still pretty early in the tourny ~1700 people remaining out of 3000. I was in about 30th place at the start of the hand. Should I have even called pre flop? What would you do after the flop?

 

[xGinNJuicex]

im folding preflop here. makynmoney just calls from early position then pops it with 4 players, already in with a raise, left to act after him (often a sign of a big pair). someone's already called in front of you, and there is still a player to act behind you. the money in the pot doesn't beg you to call and neither does the action. not to mention you're in poor position for postflop action.

post flop there's a lot of money in the pot but you can be pretty certain you're beat with two overs and another player shoving into 2 players, especially since the player shoving still has a fair sized stack. you have miniscule drawing possibilities.

again, im folding preflop. if it were just me and villian, im probably calling with such a deep stack. but given the action here, and his willingness to put his money in despite it, i wouldve waited for a better spot.

 

[vanquish]

Fold pre-flop, fold flop.

 

[OzExorcist]

Folds all round.

If it was against just one player pre-flop you might've had a chance - but with one caller before you before the flop, another one potentially after you, the initial shover representing a big hand... there's no way you're ahead.

 

[altruist]

Agreed calling such a large raise pre-flop is an unnecessary waste of your chips. You can afford to wait for a better situation.

Should you decide you want to play pocket 9s, I'd re-raise all-in. quatro23 may decide his hand is not worth risking his tournament on, giving you a bunch of dead money in the pot. Additionally, the other guy may decide not to call, so you'd be up against one opponent with pocket 9s: a desperate opponent. If your hand holds up and no one else called you're getting 3:1 on your money, with something like 50% odds (he may not hold a pocket pair, and there's a chance he decided to go all-in with something below 9s)

As for the flop, you didn't hit trips and up against several opponents, easy fold.

 

[SeanyJ]

I was thinking about going all in before the flop, but for some reason I just decided to call. Anyway, I folded on the flop and the two guys flipped over AQ and AK and neither of them improved their hands.

 

[vanquish]

I was thinking about going all in before the flop, but for some reason I just decided to call. Anyway, I folded on the flop and the two guys flipped over AQ and AK and neither of them improved their hands.

Why would you go all-in preflop against so many opponents showing strength (Remember, at this point you do not know they will have AQ/AK, they may well have AA/KK)?

 

[OzExorcist]

Even against AK/AQ type hands, you're still not in good shape in a multi-way pot.

 

[rob5775]

Even against AK/AQ type hands, you're still not in good shape in a multi-way pot.

Correct. You're essentially hoping no over cards come out on any street. Against two, and in this case three, opponents - you are no longer in a coinflip but way behind.

 

[Kenzie 96]

Easy for me to say after seeing the results, but in early stages of these MTTs Mr. Harrington says middle pairs increase in value & over cards decrease in value.

 

[Effexor]

Easy for me to say after seeing the results, but in early stages of these MTTs Mr. Harrington says middle pairs increase in value & over cards decrease in value.

Because of set value and thats it. When it's early, and the blinds are small you can usually get the correct odds to call. Later on it's hard to even get good implied odds to call. Granted later on you can use them for the fold equity and showdown value for steals but thats not what's happening here.

To the OP:

Fold preflop.

 

[maltz]

Since you have a healthy stack I would say it is good to see the flop for 1/10 of your stack. If you flop a set (1/8 of the time) you can double up (another $10000!). That's a good investment.

But you missed the flop, you have to fold.