Right call?

[KLDUFF1987]

So, we have a hand here some may question my play here, but the player in question is really fishy and calls a lot of pots, maybe a bad call but worth a sht

pokerstars Hand #143675648308: Tournament #1372127834, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (250/500) - 2015/11/11 20:16:17 WET [2015/11/11 15:16:17 ET]
Table '1372127834 8' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: playmoo (12329 in chips)
Seat 2: Alotiel (9787 in chips)
Seat 3: rofllollingt (8518 in chips)
Seat 4: RAFAUMNNM (25535 in chips)
Seat 5: lilnavinRTN (8192 in chips)
Seat 6: 72mmmm (11389 in chips)
Seat 7: silvia241269 (20050 in chips)
Seat 8: Ribiz1991 (8830 in chips)
Seat 9: KDuff242 (22713 in chips)
playmoo: posts the ante 50
Alotiel: posts the ante 50
rofllollingt: posts the ante 50
RAFAUMNNM: posts the ante 50
lilnavinRTN: posts the ante 50
72mmmm: posts the ante 50
silvia241269: posts the ante 50
Ribiz1991: posts the ante 50
KDuff242: posts the ante 50
rofllollingt: posts small blind 250
RAFAUMNNM: posts big blind 500
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to KDuff242 [3h 3s]
lilnavinRTN: folds
72mmmm: folds
silvia241269: folds
Ribiz1991: raises 500 to 1000
KDuff242: calls 1000
playmoo: folds
Alotiel: raises 8737 to 9737 and is all-in
rofllollingt: folds
RAFAUMNNM: folds
Ribiz1991: folds
KDuff242: calls 8737
*** FLOP *** [Td Qd 3d]
*** TURN *** [Td Qd 3d] [3c]
*** RIVER *** [Td Qd 3d 3c] [9d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
KDuff242: shows [3h 3s] (four of a kind, Threes)
Alotiel: shows [Qh Qc] (a full house, Queens full of Threes)
KDuff242 collected 21674 from pot
Alotiel finished the tournament in 337th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 21674 | Rake 0
Board [Td Qd 3d 3c 9d]
Seat 1: playmoo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Alotiel (button) showed [Qh Qc] and lost with a full house, Queens full of Threes
Seat 3: rofllollingt (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: RAFAUMNNM (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: lilnavinRTN folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: 72mmmm folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: silvia241269 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Ribiz1991 folded before Flop
Seat 9: KDuff242 showed [3h 3s] and won (21674) with four of a kind, Threes

 

[ribaric]

I think it was ok call cuz you had more chips and didnt risk all in and you got lucky so i think you played good

 

[NooBsKing]

It seems like non-turbo MTT...so I would fold to his 20bb reshove...I have 44BB stack and I don't need flip for 20BBs(1/2 of stack)...in the best case...in the worst case i will catch luck(2 outs). I rather wait for a better spot. If I am wrong, correct me.

 

[teepack]

Definitely not a good play. Your best case scenario would be a coin flip (him having two overs) in which case you are a slight favorite. The worst case scenario was him having a higher pocket pair (which made him about an 82 percent favorite). In other words, if you did that same thing 5 times, you would lose four times and win once. Not a good long-term strategy, but your stack could afford the hit. Just because something worked out doesn't mean you should fool yourself into thinking you are a poker genius.

 

[joe777]

This should be a fold,the odd is off and in long term will be wrong option.

 

[Jacki Burkhart]

Fold Preflop. You shouldn't probably even call the min raise with 33 because effective stacks (18bb) aren't deep enough to set mine. You could potentially 3bet jam with your 33 as a bluff that can be in OK shape if it gets called. That would only be an OK play if you think villain is opening wide and folding too much to 3bets. Generally though, I'll just fold here.

 

[jordanbillie]

Fold Preflop. You shouldn't probably even call the min raise with 33 because effective stacks (18bb) aren't deep enough to set mine. You could potentially 3bet jam with your 33 as a bluff that can be in OK shape if it gets called. That would only be an OK play if you think villain is opening wide and folding too much to 3bets. Generally though, I'll just fold here.

^This. The way you played 33 here is speculative.

 

[UncleConRon]

My input.

I think t was a good call. You said the player played a lot of pots. Then bad things happen in the end most of the time. Nice pot and good job.

 

[Olgert1992]

Looking what your level of game )) As you played correctly on me .

 

[ph_il]

So, we have a hand here some may question my play here, but the player in question is really fishy and calls a lot of pots, maybe a bad call but worth a sht

PokerStars Hand #143675648308: Tournament #1372127834, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (250/500) - 2015/11/11 20:16:17 WET [2015/11/11 15:16:17 ET]
Table '1372127834 8' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: playmoo (12329 in chips)
Seat 2: Alotiel (9787 in chips)
Seat 3: rofllollingt (8518 in chips)
Seat 4: RAFAUMNNM (25535 in chips)
Seat 5: lilnavinRTN (8192 in chips)
Seat 6: 72mmmm (11389 in chips)
Seat 7: silvia241269 (20050 in chips)
Seat 8: Ribiz1991 (8830 in chips)
Seat 9: KDuff242 (22713 in chips)
playmoo: posts the ante 50
Alotiel: posts the ante 50
rofllollingt: posts the ante 50
RAFAUMNNM: posts the ante 50
lilnavinRTN: posts the ante 50
72mmmm: posts the ante 50
silvia241269: posts the ante 50
Ribiz1991: posts the ante 50
KDuff242: posts the ante 50
rofllollingt: posts small blind 250
RAFAUMNNM: posts big blind 500
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to KDuff242 [3h 3s]
lilnavinRTN: folds
72mmmm: folds
silvia241269: folds
Ribiz1991: raises 500 to 1000
KDuff242: calls 1000
...I think this call is fine here for <1% of your stack. While we don't have the implied odds to set-mine against the original raiser, we still have plenty of players to act and I don't mind playing a multi-way pot with 33.
playmoo: folds
Alotiel: raises 8737 to 9737 and is all-in
...unfortunately, this happens.
rofllollingt: folds
RAFAUMNNM: folds
Ribiz1991: folds
KDuff242: calls 8737
...This is an easy fold here. We aren't getting the pot odds to call with 33. The pot is 12,937 and it's costing you 8737 to call, giving us only 1.4:1 pot odds. This is far from the odds needed to call to try and hit a set or better, which is 8.5:1.

Even if this player is playing a lot of pots, we are very rarely in a huge favorable position with 33 here. We're way behind 44+ and in a race position against 2 overcards with just a slight advantage in our favor in most situations. Against suited connectors 45s-KQs, we're actually a slight underdog in this hand. In race situations we need at least 2:1 odds to make a profitable call, which we are not getting with a pot odds at 1.4:1. Even if the pot odds was giving us 2:1 odds, or even money to call, I don't think it's worth risking 40% of our stack with 33 for, at best, a coin-flip. We can give up 1% of our stack here and wait for a better situation.
*** FLOP *** [Td Qd 3d]
*** TURN *** [Td Qd 3d] <font color='black'>3♣</font>
*** RIVER *** [Td Qd 3d 3c] <font color='red'>9<font face="arial">♦</font></font>
*** SHOW DOWN ***
KDuff242: shows [3h 3s] (four of a kind, Threes)
Alotiel: shows [Qh Qc] (a full house, Queens full of Threes)
KDuff242 collected 21674 from pot
Alotiel finished the tournament in 337th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 21674 | Rake 0
Board [Td Qd 3d 3c 9d]
Seat 1: playmoo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Alotiel (button) showed [Qh Qc] and lost with a full house, Queens full of Threes
Seat 3: rofllollingt (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: RAFAUMNNM (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: lilnavinRTN folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: 72mmmm folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: silvia241269 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Ribiz1991 folded before Flop
Seat 9: KDuff242 showed [3h 3s] and won (21674) with four of a kind, Threes

Above.

You did make quad 3s, but don't get result oriented and confuse winning a hand with making the correct decision. We were way behind villains QQ and got extremely lucky. However, you still weren't getting the proper odds to call. The odds of flopping quads is 1 in 407, so we can practically ignore that because we'll never get the odds/implied odds to quad-mine. So, at best, we're looking to hit with 33, which we hit 1 in 8.5 and, again, we aren't getting the odds to call.

We are losing too often in this situation to make this call a profitable one in the long run.

 

[Delvuter]

Quad-mine!

 

[starting_at_the_bottom]

No no no, your logic is seriously flawed.

Yes he might "call lots of pots", but do they raise lots of pots?

Even if they are open shipping every hand I am still folding 33 here. You are highly unlikely to have anything dominated.