That was quick...

soadwes

soadwes

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I just finished playing a $1 tourney at pokerstars. As the tourney started, I was gettin ready for a long one! 1500 stack, 15 min blind lvls, and 850 players... I lasted 4 hands... Did I do anything wrong on the last hand? I'm posting all 4 hands for effect. lol

PokerStars Game #3215189748: Tournament #15701006, Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2005/12/01 - 22:17:00 (ET)
Table '15701006 54' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: ballstate773 (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: golferx (1500 in chips)
Seat 3: lynnebells (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: Axiss (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: soadwes (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: rulerofmen (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: FlopDaddy (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: PatrickDuffy (1500 in chips)
golferx: posts small blind 10
lynnebells: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to soadwes [8c Jh]
Axiss: folds
soadwes: folds
rulerofmen: folds
FlopDaddy: folds
PatrickDuffy: folds
ballstate773: folds
golferx has timed out while disconnected
golferx: folds
golferx is sitting out
lynnebells collected 20 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 20 | Rake 0
Seat 1: ballstate773 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: golferx (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: lynnebells (big blind) collected (20)
Seat 5: Axiss folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: soadwes folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: rulerofmen folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: FlopDaddy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: PatrickDuffy folded before Flop (didn't bet)

PokerStars Game #3215204545: Tournament #15701006, Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2005/12/01 - 22:18:17 (ET)
Table '15701006 34' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: A_Ivanovich (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: ekeric (1500 in chips)
Seat 3: tomatoman52 (1490 in chips)
Seat 4: allyngreer (1480 in chips)
Seat 5: foopherenz (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: soadwes (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: badbob13ftw (1480 in chips)
Seat 8: Offtrack (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: ME4NOW (1550 in chips)
allyngreer: posts small blind 10
foopherenz: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to soadwes [Jc Ks]
soadwes: folds
badbob13ftw: raises 40 to 60
Offtrack: folds
ME4NOW: folds
A_Ivanovich has timed out while disconnected
A_Ivanovich: folds
A_Ivanovich is sitting out
ekeric: folds
tomatoman52: folds
allyngreer: folds
foopherenz: folds
badbob13ftw collected 50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 50 | Rake 0
Seat 1: A_Ivanovich folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: ekeric folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: tomatoman52 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: allyngreer (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: foopherenz (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: soadwes folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: badbob13ftw collected (50)
Seat 8: Offtrack folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: ME4NOW folded before Flop (didn't bet)

PokerStars Game #3215217115: Tournament #15701006, Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2005/12/01 - 22:19:21 (ET)
Table '15701006 34' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: A_Ivanovich (1500 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 2: ekeric (1500 in chips)
Seat 3: tomatoman52 (1490 in chips)
Seat 4: allyngreer (1470 in chips)
Seat 5: foopherenz (1480 in chips)
Seat 6: soadwes (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: badbob13ftw (1510 in chips)
Seat 8: Offtrack (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: ME4NOW (1550 in chips)
foopherenz: posts small blind 10
soadwes: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to soadwes [8d Tc]
badbob13ftw: folds
Offtrack: folds
ME4NOW: calls 20
A_Ivanovich: folds
ekeric: calls 20
tomatoman52: folds
allyngreer: folds
foopherenz: calls 10
soadwes: checks
*** FLOP *** [Kh 9s Td]
foopherenz: checks
soadwes: checks
ME4NOW: bets 60
ekeric: folds
foopherenz: folds
soadwes: folds
ME4NOW collected 80 from pot
ME4NOW: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 80 | Rake 0
Board [Kh 9s Td]
Seat 1: A_Ivanovich folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: ekeric folded on the Flop
Seat 3: tomatoman52 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: allyngreer (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: foopherenz (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: soadwes (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: badbob13ftw folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Offtrack folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: ME4NOW collected (80)

PokerStars Game #3215223722: Tournament #15701006, Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2005/12/01 - 22:19:56 (ET)
Table '15701006 34' Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: A_Ivanovich (1500 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 2: ekeric (1480 in chips)
Seat 3: tomatoman52 (1490 in chips)
Seat 4: allyngreer (1470 in chips)
Seat 5: foopherenz (1460 in chips)
Seat 6: soadwes (1480 in chips)
Seat 7: badbob13ftw (1510 in chips)
Seat 8: Offtrack (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: ME4NOW (1610 in chips)
soadwes: posts small blind 10
badbob13ftw: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to soadwes [Kh Kc]
Offtrack: folds
ME4NOW: folds
A_Ivanovich: folds
ekeric: folds
tomatoman52: calls 20
allyngreer: folds
foopherenz: folds
soadwes: raises 80 to 100
badbob13ftw: folds
tomatoman52: calls 80
*** FLOP *** [Tc 4c Ac]
soadwes: bets 100
tomatoman52: raises 1290 to 1390 and is all-in
soadwes: calls 1280 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [Tc 4c Ac] [9d]
*** RIVER *** [Tc 4c Ac 9d] [5s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
soadwes: shows [Kh Kc] (a pair of Kings)
tomatoman52: shows [Qs Ad] (a pair of Aces)
tomatoman52 collected 2980 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2980 | Rake 0
Board [Tc 4c Ac 9d 5s]
Seat 1: A_Ivanovich folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: ekeric folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: tomatoman52 showed [Qs Ad] and won (2980) with a pair of Aces
Seat 4: allyngreer folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: foopherenz (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: soadwes (small blind) showed [Kh Kc] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 7: badbob13ftw (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Offtrack folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: ME4NOW folded before Flop (didn't bet)
 
trentonlf

trentonlf

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Well on flop when you bet the 100 and he came over the top i would have folded the Ks, hate to do it but would have put him on a set or an A with good kicker.

g/l
 
Schatzdog

Schatzdog

Visionary
At the start of a tournament and with the A on the flop you have to fold. You do have the nut flush draw but you don't want to put it all in the middle in this situation. A bit more patience I think.
 
F Paulsson

F Paulsson

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Pushing with KK at this point might have been alright, but calling with them isn't. You had ~9 outs to a flush and two outs to a set. 11 outs + fold equity might have made a push a winning move, but if you're just calling, you're hoping to have the better hand, which I find very unlikely with the texture of the board.

On the other hand, doubling up at this point in the tournament (where your time investment is still minimal) might make it worth it.
 
titans4ever

titans4ever

Legend
Early on and the flop has an A. You have to lay it down and live to fight the better battle when you have a better advantage. Hate to say it but alot of people will play any A and when it hits and you have KK you got to let it go.
 
tenbob

tenbob

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Kings are evil, fold pre-flop. I hate them they are ace magnets !

Seriously as FP stated you have 11 outs after the flop. Would you have folded pocket Jacks ? More than likely, KK is a hand to be succeessful with that you HAVE to be able to let go of.
 
robwhufc

robwhufc

Cardschat Elite
I would consider 4 hands good going! - I had a run in the CC Titan games where i didn't reach the 4th hand for 3 straight weeks!

It is hard to get away from a big hand, but it's a pretty obvious lay down when A flops. I had AA yesterday, but 2 K's flopped and opponent went all in - could have been a bluff, but I know if i'd called it wouldn't have been - fold and get on to next hand!
 
soadwes

soadwes

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I was hoping for the flush really... I know that was a small chance of hitting, but mainly just wanted to double up early in the tourney. I figured i was beat on the flop, just hoped another club would hit... If this was any bigger than a $1 buy-in, i might have thought about the situation a bit differently.
 
duesXmachina

duesXmachina

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Its all luck

F Paulsson said:
Pushing with KK at this... you're hoping to have the better hand, which I find very unlikely with the texture of the board.

On the other hand, doubling up at this point in the tournament (where your time investment is still minimal) might make it worth it.

I agree here, except for one thing, how many times do you catch your set , and three suited cards are out and you go all in. That could have been the other guy as was already posted earlier, but one more club and youve got the nutz. BUT if the ace is out on the flop and he is all-in you have got to know your opponent to say he does or doesnt have it. In the fourth hand this is something difficult to do and you may have to take with a grain of salt and lay it down. But as my title says, just one lucky card, club nut flush draw would not have seemed so bad an idea if this hand had caught a prayer and your stacks just got doubled. ;)
 
twizzybop

twizzybop

Legend
I agree here, except for one thing, how many times do you catch your setodds and experts say 1:8
 
duesXmachina

duesXmachina

Guest
this is a touchy one here tho, with the three suited card textured flop. You've GOT to know how your opponent is going to percieve this as. Late in a tourney with the right player sitting across from you, this is an easy all-in steal/ or a HUGE no no. only your experiences against said player can manage to give you proper observation. Then you can form an idea of his incentive to going all-in. ( does he want you to fold or call... etc.)
 
Jesus Lederer

Jesus Lederer

Rock Star
There´s nothing more i can add to the reasons of why you had to fold. For me it´s an easy fold at this point of the tournament, for the reasons that had been already told. I think that is must fold in a quality tournament, but what about a $1 buy in? I have played few of these tourneys, and basically the quality of play is the same as the freerolls. Based on that, i think that first of all on that hand you had to raise more. 5xBB is okay for a preflop raise, but in that specific situation (freerolls and low buy ins) with those low blinds where a 4xBB raise is an instant call by anyone (althought in the previous hands i see that there were a lot of folds, which is pretty strange at that level), maybe a 10xBB raise would be better. Anyway i know that it wouldn´t have changed the results, but is something to think about if you´re going to play those tournaments. Now in relation to the main topic, i said that it was a must fold in almost any tournament, but your call may be "justifyied" because as Paulsson said doubling up at that point might make it worth it. I imagine that the field was huge and the payout was worth to play just for the first place, which doesn´t mean that is right to make bad calls, but maybe under those circumstances the call wasn´t as bad as it seems. That´s why i prefer to avoid those extremely low buy in tourneys, because you must modify completely the normal strategies.
 
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