Poker on the biggest ship in the world

[norbs286]

Both ysmisc and I were on a very nice vacation on the "Independence of the Seas" (highly recommeneded!!!) with our wives.

In their casino they had a texas hold'em tournement which we both enrolled to.

All started with 2000 chips and blinds began at 25/50.
After a few hands were played (were no player had a real advantage at that point) I have been given Js, Jc. All checked and I raised 400. The guy after me called and the rest of the table folded.

Flop was 2s, 3s & 6s. I checked, he raised 500 and I quickly called.

Turn was 8h. I checked and he went All In!

What was I supposed to do?

 

[ysmisc]

I would have gone all in thinking he has a flash draw.
It also depends on the stack size of course and the type of player he was - But in this case I saw the guy in person and he was a super aggressive player - So I would have called if I were you.

 

[TheNoob]

Pot is about 2975 and it's about 1100 for you to call? Is that right?

If so that's about 2.7:1 (please smack me down if that's not right)........ early and with the straight and flush on the board, is that good enough for a call?

(If it was Gus Hansen, you would have been looking at a 45s. Did you see that maniac last night? Unbelievable).

 

[sliver101]

hes eiter got p 9s or above or a big ace im guessing unless the play had been real bad up till then ie bar play 4 drinks in in which case (due to my recent bar beats) a 45 suited play might happen on a relatively conservative/unknown table either way im calling i think

 

[Swodaems]

I think you made several mistakes leading up to the decision.

First off, an 8 bb raise preflop is huge. You've over bet the pot and the only callers you're going to get are the people who think that they can beat you, either flatout or by suckout. I dislike massive preflop raises for the simple fact that you have no idea what the other 3 cards in your hands may be.

Secondly, you over valued your hand preflop. Sure, a pair of jacks is an okay hand, (they're my big problem hand,) but it can be beat. I think the odds might in favor of an overcard droping. For that matter, someone may flop two pair or a set.

I think you should have continuation bet the flop. (easier to do if your inital bet was smaller.) Checking made him think you had nothing, (perhaps AK). You could be looking at an A,(2,3,6). Postflop, AK would only have three outs against those hands. Checking just put a big steal this pot sign up above your head.

As for the questions about what he had and if you should have called, All I can say is this. You were there, we weren't. You could read any tells he had, we can't. We can't tell you if you were beat or not.

 

[Arjonius]

The pre-flop 500 seems high more because of the proportion it represents of your stack than due to it's being 8 BB. If you had 10K or 20k chips, 400 would be more affordable, although I still wouldn't like it. Since the pot only has 75 in it, what does betting 400 accomplish that 150 or 200 wouldn't?

I'm not keen on the check-call post-flop either. What are you hoping will happen, and how likely is it? Since you're willing to call 500, why not bet in the first place? Plus your original bet had inflated the pot, so now you had to commit more by calling while not really having much indication where you stood.

And on the turn, 8h looks like a blank, but that's really no help in terms of what to do.

 

[Monoxide]

1100 left, easy call. expect either a big draw or you are badly beaten most likely scenarios not much you can do the way you played it though.