Pocket JJs preflop, bubble situation, $10 27-person SnG

hott_estelle

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Both the raiser and reraiser have been quite reckless in blind stealing, especially the reraiser in this situation, with ridiculous cards (he's type of player that thinks A5 is a great hand). At this moment, I wasn't too worries about first reraiser, was just wondering whether or not to call the second guy. Call the allin or fold in this situation?

pokerstars Game #8846094559: Tournament #44995056, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2007/03/11 - 06:17:55 (ET)
Table '44995056 3' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: RedMan8888 (6690 in chips)
Seat 2: svenjolly (8660 in chips)
Seat 3: ruck58 (6345 in chips)
Seat 4: Brady333 (5910 in chips)
Seat 5: hott_estelle (4520 in chips)
Seat 7: letit_ride79 (4345 in chips)
Seat 9: Bebe3 (4030 in chips)
RedMan8888: posts the ante 25
svenjolly: posts the ante 25
ruck58: posts the ante 25
Brady333: posts the ante 25
hott_estelle: posts the ante 25
letit_ride79: posts the ante 25
Bebe3: posts the ante 25
letit_ride79: posts small blind 200
Bebe3: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hott_estelle [Jd Jc]
RedMan8888: folds
svenjolly: folds
ruck58: raises 1200 to 1600
Brady333: raises 4285 to 5885 and is all-in
hott_estelle: ???
 
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I think I would fold in this situation. I am curious about the outcome. But I would fold definately.
 
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Fold, with amount of chips you have going against a raise and a re-reraise its not that hard of a hand to lay down.
 
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Fold, with amount of chips you have going against a raise and a re-reraise its not that hard of a hand to lay down.

Agree. PF Js are the "Danger Will Robinson" type of hand. You have two raisers before you. Let them duke it out and wait for your hand.
 
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I agree, let them take each other out. Much better EV than to be donked out on the bubble.
 
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I would fold. ruck58 will probably call and the odds to win with Pocket Jacks in a three way all in are not good.
 
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PokerStars Game #8846094559: Tournament #44995056, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2007/03/11 - 06:17:55 (ET)
Table '44995056 3' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: RedMan8888 (6690 in chips)
Seat 2: svenjolly (8660 in chips)
Seat 3: ruck58 (6345 in chips)
Seat 4: Brady333 (5910 in chips)
Seat 5: hott_estelle (4520 in chips)
Seat 7: letit_ride79 (4345 in chips)
Seat 9: Bebe3 (4030 in chips)
RedMan8888: posts the ante 25
svenjolly: posts the ante 25
ruck58: posts the ante 25
Brady333: posts the ante 25
hott_estelle: posts the ante 25
letit_ride79: posts the ante 25
Bebe3: posts the ante 25
letit_ride79: posts small blind 200
Bebe3: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hott_estelle [Jd Jc]
RedMan8888: folds
svenjolly: folds
ruck58: raises 1200 to 1600
Brady333: raises 4285 to 5885 and is all-in
hott_estelle: folds
letit_ride79: folds
Bebe3: folds
ruck58: folds
Brady333 collected 3975 from pot


I asked the guy nicely what he had, he said QQ. I don't know if I completely believe him, but like most of you guys posted above, this is an obvious fold situation.

I just wanted to post this hand as an example for the less experienced players on situational plays, and how certain hands can be a huge starting hand in one situation, while an obvious fold in another. I wanted to post this hand, because, although for a good/experienced player, when looking at this from an outside perspective, it is an easy fold. However, for the beginning/early players, or even for the experienced player who's just a bit enamored by the "big" pocket pair, this is definitely where they overplay their hand and push. Even if he doesn't have QQ, there is a wide range of hands that could have JJ beat or the possibility of having it beat, especially with so many players left to act behind me and one person already in the pot with a big raise.

There's a big difference between pushing all-in with JJ, from being the first raiser, and calling a standard raise and a big reraise. Obviously JJ is a decent hand in most situations. But every situation is different, so you have to play the situations.
 
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Fold'em

Ruck58 & Brady333 could have been on tilt, or at war with each other, Looks like you got caught in the middle. Anyway fold the JJ, see how the next 7 to 10 hands go. If they keep up the shinanagins (lol) bust'em. They'll take eachother out and your closer to the money. I've never had luck with Pkt JJ's treat them like 22 and you'll be on your way to the final table's. Gl
 
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Thanks for the advice, but a little too late Igotdaflush, the results were already posted above your post, if you didn't see them. Thanks anyways.
 
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