omaha 10 rebuy over pr paired flop

[Stefanicov]

pokerstars Game #9675851664: Tournament #48311926, $10+$1 Omaha Pot Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/04/29 - 23:56:10 (ET)
Table '48311926 3' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 2: Stefanicov (5650 in chips)
Seat 3: Yiquan (1075 in chips)
Seat 4: Acehi47 (3735 in chips)
Seat 5: MR.DART (1040 in chips)
Seat 6: VinnyB (2510 in chips)
Seat 7: aldocoria (1305 in chips)
Seat 8: birdicus420 (6240 in chips)
Seat 9: in_da_riva (1115 in chips)
Stefanicov: posts small blind 25
Yiquan: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Stefanicov [Jh Kh Ks Ts]
Acehi47: calls 50
MR.DART: folds
VinnyB: calls 50
aldocoria: folds
birdicus420: folds
in_da_riva: folds
Stefanicov: raises 200 to 250
Yiquan: folds
Acehi47: calls 200
VinnyB: calls 200
*** FLOP *** [3h 5c 3c]
Stefanicov: checks
Acehi47: checks
VinnyB: bets 800
stefanicov: wants to rse the pot or is this too agressive

 

[Bombjack]

Prolly a bit aggressive without the flush draw... I'd be inclined to fold and wait for a better spot. A better line might be to lead and fold to a raise.

 

[calibanboy]

I agree, wait for a better spot -a raise is likely to put VinnyB all in - and all you have a an Overpair 2P. Not that strong.

 

[robwhufc]

He's either way ahead of you leaving you with only a couple of outs (if he's got a 3), or he could have a big draw (flush, +Straight + overcard). I wouldn't lose much sleep over folding this - as the 2 above say, plenty of time yet.

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

A better line might be to lead and fold to a raise.

^ This

 

[alan1983]

At the very least i think he has 12 outs, and he could have you drawing to two, i think id fold this.

 

[Stefanicov]

i had a read tht said he had over pr too i chose to [put him in he called turn cam 5 river 3 he had qq 57 no flsh so i took it dwn with better fh

 

[alexanderwoo1]

Well you never know if your opponent could have like A-A-2-4 or even a set with an open-ended straight. I would fold honestly.

 

[Stefanicov]

coulda but it is a rebuy so i play v agressive pre 1st break

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

i had a read tht said he had over pr too i chose to [put him in he called turn cam 5 river 3 he had qq 57 no flsh so i took it dwn with better fh

are you sure you had this 'read' before villain showed his hand?

if so, what specifically made you think he had an overpair?

 

[Stefanicov]

he only played 4 fce crds or big prs never rags aa he rses preflop so i was pretty sure he didnt have them. toss up was whether i wanted to risk tht he had flush draw. I was sure i was ahead was just whether i wanted to risk being drawn. Also if he hit the 3 he doesnt bet out this much he mini bets made hands so 3 wasnt likely

on top of tht i had a gut feeling and i have learned to trust tht it doesnt fail me often.

 

[robwhufc]

he only played 4 fce crds or big prs never rags aa he rses preflop so i was pretty sure he didnt have them. toss up was whether i wanted to risk tht he had flush draw. I was sure i was ahead was just whether i wanted to risk being drawn. Also if he hit the 3 he doesnt bet out this much he mini bets made hands so 3 wasnt likely

Seriously? You're only at Level 3 and you've already observed enough hands to have that accurate a read? I'm not knocking your play - Even though i said i dont think that's how you SHOULD have played it, I reckon I would have done the same as you more likely than not. I don't buy the above though, sorry - I think you've made that up.

(and buy a new keyboard with an "A" that works - i got mine for £5 from Tescos).

 

[Stefanicov]

so wha i know wht i knew he played 2 hnds whole tourny tis not so hard to get loose reads he wasnt in any pots and showed dwn 1 hnd all 4 face so whilst not def enuff to see he is tight

 

[robwhufc]

so wha i know wht i knew he played 2 hnds whole tourny tis not so hard to get loose reads he wasnt in any pots and showed dwn 1 hnd all 4 face so whilst not def enuff to see he is tight

What language is this?

 

[robwhufc]

so wha i know wht i knew he played 2 hnds whole tourny tis not so hard to get loose reads he wasnt in any pots and showed dwn 1 hnd all 4 face so whilst not def enuff to see he is tight

Wait, I think i've got it.

"So what? I know what I know, he played 2 hands in the whole tournament, so it is not so hard to get loose reads. He wasn't in any pots, and showed down 1 hand that had all 4 face cards, so whilst I am not definate, it was enough to see he is tight"

Correct?

 

[titans4ever]

so wha i know wht i knew he played 2 hnds whole tourny tis not so hard to get loose reads he wasnt in any pots and showed dwn 1 hnd all 4 face so whilst not def enuff to see he is tight

Holy Crap, FP's nonsense thread is spreading to other threads. I should have known it was contagous.

IF you had that read here then good for you. I think a read like that is about the only way to keep playing this hand. This is a trick hand if you are still in a rebuy stage of the tournament. You can go either way depending how bad you want to try to double up or how many rebuys you want to go through.

 

[dj11]

I will assume you had been playing at this stable table for the first 2 levels and you had a read on him.

In that case, he looks to me to be a transferee from the holdem world, where agression is paramount regardless. In Omaha a normally reasonable player doesn't play small pair, so quad 3's is way down the list post flop. Still a dangler 3 to a hi holding, like jjT3 2 suited (one being clubs) might make sense. More likely your read of an overpair was a good one.

However, anytime there is a pair on the board in Omaha, anything less than a FH becomes a substandard hand to win with.

With your situation here, I'm in concurance, and your call was correct.

 

[joeeagles]

I agree that it was a very risky move. The overpair that you mention could be AA, also you don't have a 2 clubs, just too many ways to lose, I think there will be better spots. You ended up winning the hand so good for you.

 

[dj11]

Remember in this game an overpair means anything higher than the 33 on the flop. So assume for a sec that villian does have an overpair at this point. There are only 3 of the 10 possibilities that are problamatic, 33, 55 or AA. 3.3 to 1 in favor for a 2.x to 1 bet? Good call.

Incidently, if I am not way out of the ball park, this post and this reply finally cemented some aspect of pot odds that had eluded me. If I AM way out of the ball park here, please pounce on my faulty thinking and straighten me out before irreprable harm occurs..........

 

[Stefanicov]

Wait, I think i've got it.

"So what? I know what I know, he played 2 hands in the whole tournament, so it is not so hard to get loose reads. He wasn't in any pots, and showed down 1 hand that had all 4 face cards, so whilst I am not definate, it was enough to see he is tight"

Correct?

dont take the piss u a**hole -rep for being a complete twat

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

Stef,

Please try to limit the aol speak, it really can be frustrating for people to try and read.

Rob,

Please try not to be such an arse about these things - you know full well you're going to get a reaction when you make posts like your ones above, and it's going to derail the thread. A simple "Could you stop using aol speak please?" would have sufficed.

All,

Back on topic as of this post, k?

 

[Stefanicov]

sorry try not to in future

 

[robwhufc]

Me too, sorry