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pokerstars Game #6242703: Tournament #31066, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2006/09/10 - 21:11:41 (ET)
Table '31066859 33' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Papa 7 (1140 in chips)
Seat 2: knoxville33 (920 in chips)
Seat 3: toddman88 (2920 in chips)
Seat 4: Smoke-It666 (1160 in chips)
Seat 5: ADVJLV (1640 in chips)
Seat 6: vytenis (1420 in chips)
Seat 7: Asmodeus1 (2900 in chips)
Seat 8: gothenuts2 (1400 in chips)
Seat 9: mischman (1480 in chips)
gothenuts2: posts small blind 10
mischman: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mischman [4h Js]
Papa 7: calls 20
knoxville33: calls 20
knoxville33 said, "dee da deeee"
toddman88: folds
Smoke-It666: calls 20
ADVJLV: calls 20
vytenis: folds
Asmodeus1: calls 20
gothenuts2: calls 10
mischman: checks
*** FLOP *** [7s Jd 6h]
gothenuts2: checks
mischman:........


there are 6 other people in the pot. You flopped top pair with a 4 kicker. Someone has to have you beat. Would you just check?

If someone bets would you call? Is it even worth playing?
 
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Sure it is. Lay out a 1/2 pot bet, see where it takes you. It's early enough in the tourney. You don't need to commit your stack of course, but a little feeler bet wouldn't hurt. If anyone comes over the top of you, get out.
 
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Agreed that a feeler bet would be good but also just check/folding to a bet would also be an option. Weak kicker isn't a hand to be fighting with so early on.
 
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Sklansky says, in effect, that a good player knows when to get away from hands like these. Depends on your reads. A 140 pot might be worth a stab at a tight table. At a loose table, you may want to check since you know someone will bet. Then you can re-assess the situation. However, based on your early position on the flop, it looks like check-fold to a bet.

knoxville33 said, "dee da deeee"

What's with the Carlos Mencia comment from this guy?
 
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On a purely random cards basis, there's slightly less than evens chance that anyone else holds a Jack (1-45/47*44/46*43/45*....*34/36 = 1-(35*34)/(47*46) = 55% that no-one else has one). If they do, you're beat unless their kicker is a 2, 3 or 4, so it's around 1-10/13*45% = 65% that you have a winning jack.

The only other risk is that someone's holding 76... the chances of this are approximately 1-(1-(6*3)/(47*46))^6) = 5%, or pocket 7s or 6s (2*(1-(1-(3*2)/(47*46))^6) = 3.3%

So I think there's about a 53% chance you have the best hand here - maybe a bit less as people will tend to play hands that are more likely to win. Bet 3/4 pot to get rid of anyone who wants to draw with overcards or a straight draw.
 
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Heres how it played out, feel free to give advice

PokerStars Game #6242703952: Tournament #31066859, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2006/09/10 - 21:11:41 (ET)
Table '31066859 33' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Papa 7 (1140 in chips)
Seat 2: knoxville33 (920 in chips)
Seat 3: toddman88 (2920 in chips)
Seat 4: Smoke-It666 (1160 in chips)
Seat 5: ADVJLV (1640 in chips)
Seat 6: vytenis (1420 in chips)
Seat 7: Asmodeus1 (2900 in chips)
Seat 8: gothenuts2 (1400 in chips)
Seat 9: mischman (1480 in chips)
gothenuts2: posts small blind 10
mischman: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mischman [4h Js]
Papa 7: calls 20
knoxville33: calls 20
knoxville33 said, "dee da deeee"
toddman88: folds
Smoke-It666: calls 20
ADVJLV: calls 20
vytenis: folds
Asmodeus1: calls 20
gothenuts2: calls 10
mischman: checks
*** FLOP *** [7s Jd 6h]
gothenuts2: checks
mischman: bets 60
Papa 7: folds
knoxville33: folds
Smoke-It666: calls 60
ADVJLV: calls 60
Asmodeus1: calls 60
gothenuts2: calls 60
*** TURN *** [7s Jd 6h] [Qd]
gothenuts2: checks
mischman: checks
Smoke-It666: checks
ADVJLV: checks
Asmodeus1: checks
*** RIVER *** [7s Jd 6h Qd] [4d]
gothenuts2: bets 80
mischman: raises 160 to 240
Smoke-It666: calls 240
ADVJLV: folds
Asmodeus1: folds
gothenuts2: calls 160
*** SHOW DOWN ***
mischman: shows [4h Js] (two pair, Jacks and Fours)
Smoke-It666: mucks hand
gothenuts2: mucks hand
mischman collected 1160 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1160 | Rake 0
Board [7s Jd 6h Qd 4d]
Seat 1: Papa 7 folded on the Flop
Seat 2: knoxville33 folded on the Flop
Seat 3: toddman88 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Smoke-It666 mucked [7h 6c]
Seat 5: ADVJLV folded on the River
Seat 6: vytenis folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Asmodeus1 (button) folded on the River
Seat 8: gothenuts2 (small blind) mucked [Ad Qc]
Seat 9: mischman (big blind) showed [4h Js] and won (1160) with two pair, Jacks and Fours
 
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LOL! Fantastic suck-out on the slow players. They deserved to lose that pot. :p
 
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Now what would you have done if he had pushed his stack on the turn? would you have called for incorrect odds?
 
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Now what would you have done if he had pushed his stack on the turn? would you have called for incorrect odds?

If either one of the 5 people more than min. raised me on the flop i would of folded. If 67 would of raised i would of folded and he wouldnt of got unlucky and lost the pot. with 6 people to the flop and your holding jacks with a 4 kicker....not good. The turn would of been an even easier fold, 4 other people and not an overcard pops up
 
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This is a perfect example of internet players overdoing the slow play. I agree with juicee, they deserve to lose playing like that.
 
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