$ NL HE MTT: Big folds of Humanity, what did the villain have?

[Gritz18]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Table Format

MTT

Freeroll

1. Freeroll

Currency

$

I wondered later, what was it about this villain that folded 2.5bb, after almost putting all his chips on the table.

What hand do you think he had?

pokerstars, Hold'em No Limit - 25/50 (5 ante) - 9 players
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thedarkman (UTG): 2,307 (46 bb)
romerim (UTG+1): 2,058 (41 bb)
interbul1908 (MP): 1,758 (35 bb)
Plankcton (MP+1): 3,782 (76 bb)
herr.blackand (LP): 6,183 (124 bb)
BloodyRace (CO): 1,818 (36 bb)
Dupakos (BU): 3,128 (63 bb)
paupaulo13 (SB): 2,185 (44 bb)
Gritz18 (BB): 3,686 (74 bb)

Pre-Flop: (120) Hero (Gritz18) is BB with A♦ A♣
2 players fold, interbul1908 (MP) calls 50, 4 players fold, paupaulo13 (SB) calls 25, Gritz18 (BB) raises to 245, interbul1908 (MP) calls 195, 1 fold

Flop: (585) 6♣ 9♥ 5♥ (2 players)
Gritz18 (BB) bets 275, interbul1908 (MP) calls 275

Turn: (1,135) 4♣ (2 players)
Gritz18 (BB) bets 1,101, interbul1908 (MP) calls 1,101

River: (3,337) Q♥ (2 players)
Gritz18 (BB) bets 2,060 (all-in), interbul1908 (MP) folds

Total pot: 3,337
Gritz18 (BB) wins 3,337

 

[ratbat615]

Pocket 10s or JJs maybe 🤔 AK with the A❤️ but you didn’t post your thoughts 💭. There is a a rule on posting hands.

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I would like to know your thoughts 1. Pre flop 2. Post flop. Turn and river. To better analyze the hard.

 

[dallam]

If Villain call the Turn bet here, he should call the River bet as well 100% (in fact put himself to shove on Turn). You can't put 88% of your stack against such an agressive OOP 2 street action then making a hero fold on the River left for you 2.5bbs, because it's visible that opponent won't fold or slow down to the last street, which means we will have a showdown in every situation.

Pocket 10s or JJs maybe 🤔 AK with the A❤️ but you didn’t post your thoughts 💭. There is a a rule on posting hands.

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I would like to know your thoughts 1. Pre flop 2. Post flop. Turn and river. To better analyze the hard.

To making ever a heroic fold on River, and represent this calling-line, Opp did not were able to represent 1010 or JJ at all, but not even 22. In fact, something which has no chance to ever catch a crazy bluff, because these crazy calls were about to the straigh-flush nuts only with very bad kickers.
These cards could opp have as straight draws: 10-8, 10-7, J-8, J-7, 8-3.
As additional flush draw: J10s
Some K hands maybe: K10s, K8, K7.

It's hard to talk about players who we can play day after day, so I'd say only this action was really fishy, and he definitely should built his game up if he wants to play an enjoyable one. This whole limp and calling to the eternity and let a tiny piece of the stack to still be able to make a heroic comeback is not what poker is about. You need to be able to read your and others moves and ranges, or at least make an effort on trying. In addition understand some basic numbers like the effective stacks, and some %.
When we know we could have an okay stack to moving on, it's easier to fold at some point & not to chase the 4 outs of ours. Or if we know we are unable to let it go, push it on the Turn to all-in and experience the loss, and maybe we can build something from these experiences, save some streets or building some tactics and reads soon. The worst we can do as a player to keep ourselves in the shadow, and not be opened this game, once we decided to put time to doing it.

 

[fundiver199]

It was indeed a strange fold by the opponent. Sometimes it can make sense to just call on the turn with a draw and then fold on the river even getting good odds, when your draw missed. But in this case the main draw was hearts, which got there, and the turn bet was almost full pot, which did not give him correct odds to draw. So most likely this was either some kind of misclick or misread of stack sizes. More importantly though why did you leave him with that tiny bit behind on the turn? The fact, you failed to get his stack, should make you go back and rethink that line

 

[kunkgreen]

It 'smells' of very strong draws on the turn which follows logic due to the fold on the river.
I would bet on combos with pairs of 8s and 7s and some overcards with clubs.
Anyway, as mentioned above, it would have been better for villain to have given up or gone all-in on the turn, as it would make more sense, even a fold being possible if we knew more about his abilities.

 

[300HPGOD]

This hand is a good example of we have to play the effective stack in the hand as our stack size. Starting the hand with 35 BBs and going to a flop with a SPR of 3 effective, with Aces we should not be looking to fold and we should be thinking about a 2 street hand. Therefore I am not too concerned with what villain has but just making a flop bet size that makes sense for a turn jam. Fundiver brings up the great point that our bet sizing on the turn here makes little sense. We should be betting here and any size makes us committed so we should just go all in instead of some size that is not all in for villain. I get that when they call this they should never fold river but against bad players they can and will fold this river. The bet on the turn cost you the 132 chips which doesnt seem like much but over time again and again it adds up.

As far as what villain had... they clearly are a bad player calling that much of their stack and then folding any river card so my guess, even though I think its irrelevant, is probably a club draw or maybe even a smaller pair and club draw.

 

[eetenor]

I wondered later, what was it about this villain that folded 2.5bb, after almost putting all his chips on the table.

What hand do you think he had?

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - 25/50 (5 ante) - 9 players
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thedarkman (UTG): 2,307 (46 bb)
romerim (UTG+1): 2,058 (41 bb)
interbul1908 (MP): 1,758 (35 bb)
Plankcton (MP+1): 3,782 (76 bb)
herr.blackand (LP): 6,183 (124 bb)
BloodyRace (CO): 1,818 (36 bb)
Dupakos (BU): 3,128 (63 bb)
paupaulo13 (SB): 2,185 (44 bb)
Gritz18 (BB): 3,686 (74 bb)

Pre-Flop: (120) Hero (Gritz18) is BB with A♦ A♣
2 players fold, interbul1908 (MP) calls 50, 4 players fold, paupaulo13 (SB) calls 25, Gritz18 (BB) raises to 245, interbul1908 (MP) calls 195, 1 fold

Flop: (585) 6♣ 9♥ 5♥ (2 players)
Gritz18 (BB) bets 275, interbul1908 (MP) calls 275

Turn: (1,135) 4♣ (2 players)
Gritz18 (BB) bets 1,101, interbul1908 (MP) calls 1,101

River: (3,337) Q♥ (2 players)
Gritz18 (BB) bets 2,060 (all-in), interbul1908 (MP) folds

Total pot: 3,337
Gritz18 (BB) wins 3,337

Your turn bet sizing is ? here. If we are leaving our V with 2.5 bb on turn we are making a mistake in sizing- our large sizing should be for their stack. We want to take the time to know this before we bet.

As to why we would ever bet this large on that runout is another strat error- The V can have all the sets there and two pair hands and combo draws on the turn that they did not have on the flop- Plus we fold out any weak draws or weak made hands most often with this sizing if the V was floating.

If you put the above range into Equilab you will see AA is not doing great on this turn unless the V is very weak.