MID PAIR + FLUSH DRAW. Should i fold?

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Stacks: - u89109 with 2740 - einsammy with 1100 - Scragbag with 3250 - camerasilence with 4395 - Mud_creek2001 with 2015

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Blinds:
Site: full tilt poker
* - Dealt to Scragbag:
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* - Sklansky group 3
Preflop:
**- 1 players fold.
* - mud_creek2001 raises to 500
**- 2 players fold.
* - scragbag calls [300]
* - Total folds this street: 3
* - Potsize: 1100
Flop:
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* - Scragbag checks
* - mud_creek2001 bets [1,515, and is all in]
* - scragbag calls [1,515]
* - Mud_creek2001 shows :
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* - Scragbag shows :
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* - Potsize: 2616
Turn:
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* - Potsize: 2616
River:
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* - Mud_creek2001 shows a pair of Kings
* - Scragbag shows a pair of Jacks
* - Mud_creek2001 wins the pot (4,130) with a pair of Kings

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Even if my opponent was holding AK i felt it was still a coin-flip
 
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With a pot of 1100 + his 1515 chips, you need to invest 1515 chips to win a pot of 4130 or a little under 3 to 1 odds. With his pre-flop raise, then sudden push, I’d be a little suspicious but have to assume he’s likely holding an Ace (this is where you input any reads into his potential hand holdings). Regardless, your middle pair + flush draw probably gives you about 14 outs - the 9 clubs + any of the 2 remaining jacks or any of the 3 remaining queens (assuming he can’t draw to a straight or higher flush). That puts you right around 50% to win the hand.

Early rounds and/or against a overly tight opponent, I might fold. I’m guessing you’re at a later stage in the tourney, so it’s an easy call at this point - also given if you lose the hand you’re still in the game, albeit short stacked.
 
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With a pot of 1100 + his 1515 chips, you need to invest 1515 chips to win a pot of 4130 or a little under 3 to 1 odds.

You need to invest 1515 to win 1100 + 1515 = 2615 or around 1.7 to 1, you don't count the money you are putting in to call as you are only trying to win the pot, not your stack as well (if that makes sense, I'm fairly bad with words :eek:). But if we count it as 14 outs then yes we are still getting the correct odds on a call. The only trouble is a lot of the time the nut flush draw will make this move with masses of fold equity and outs if we call.
 
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if you said wether it was a ring game or MTT, I missed it. I assume late in a MTT. Thinking underpair might be possible also, almost insta-call required, you did right thing imo.
 
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if you said wether it was a ring game or MTT, I missed it. I assume late in a MTT.

Ring games would have $ signs in front of the chips and given the number of ppl at the table and the fact the stack sizes aren't massive (as they would be late in an MTT) it must be a SnG. Oh, and I just noticed it says $6 sng in the middle of the table :)
 
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if im honest i lead out here on the flop, with middle pair and 2nd nut flush draw. I lead willing to call a push, but you can get him off his hand with lead bet
 
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if im honest i lead out here on the flop, with middle pair and 2nd nut flush draw. I lead willing to call a push, but you can get him off his hand with lead bet

But if we read villain for KTo with no clubs, then I think this was defo the best way to get his chips in the middle :), shame about the suckout tho..
 
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why would we read him for kt? I think it is the best option against any 2 cards
 
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oh

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